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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2007, 03:43:05 PM »
You are not defending so much, I think Write. You are letting life in.

Thanks Hops.
I don't think I can explain it any better, and my rambling isn't helping to say what I really mean.

How can I let life in?
I can't live like everyone else and manage this illness.

There's just too many things to consider, everything just has to be at a distance and lived through a space where I can withdraw and protect myself and others when I get sick.

You've just been through a serious transition that really demands grieving,

I think that's exactly it but not for the things like marriage and Nism, as much as i am currently grieving for the most basic things I need to accept- the broken-ness of me.

I'm always going to be bipolar, I'm always going to be damaged by those things which happened beyond even my conscious memories and the neglect.

That's what I noticed about the guy at church, I understood what he was saying very quickly about his own severe early neglect and he thought it had done permanent damage. Others will say therapy and suggestions to fix and he and I both know it's not that easy.
We can't be reparented for that stage, though I believe there have been people tried to develop therapies to do just that. But it's impossible to regress to that place, for it wasn't fully conscious, or it was a different consciousness.

I think deep deep inside I always thought I would be fixed once I peeled away all these levels of knowledge and pain and got to the bottom of it all....

As for success, I am going to go read the article CB suggests in a minute....none of my success is making me feel good about me right now, it's just all become a compulsive thing somehow. Things do that with bipolar, become part of the bipolar pattern.

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As for Hops being housemother. Sorry Hops, much as I love you and I know you are a great mother,

That concept of someone being my mother horrifies me on a deep level, I searched for mother-replacements for a long time and of course none of them ever really became my mother, though some became mentors or role models. The whole mother-concept became a metaphor for pain for me. When I hear a piece of music like Taveners Dormition of the mother of G_d, it's very beautiful because it's G_d's mother and I neevr took Mary to be my spiritual mother as some Catholics do.

And I never think of G_d as father eithwer come to think of it.

I couldn't let someone mother me ( or parent me ) if I wanted to. In fact I can barely let anyone look after me at all. Even when I was the most sick I've ever been I didn't trust anyone or want anyone taking care of me.

My friend ( who isn't my friend now ) stayed all night a couple of nights, sleeping opposite me in the chair. Ex came and went and picked up meds and liased with doctors and the psychologist. But I never felt safe unless I was on my own really.

The nicest feeling came when I took the huge doses of clonazepam and slept knowing it would be for hours and quiet and there were no demands on me and most of all- none I could place upon myself.

Right now I feel like I am dying or something horrible is about to happen because I am trying to do the same thing without meds and without being ill- to take time out and rest and recuperate.

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She has left me down many times but she has also saved me and I am learning to trust her the more I allow myself hear her voice.

wow Axa, that's a powerful image.

this needing to feel safe, is probably related to PTS

absolutely Poetprose.
That's exactly how I feel, like a trauma won't go away. There's this tiny residue of fear and helplessness.

I guess it truly gets better when we've made enough replacements that our lives are weighted with more good than bad..... 

Margo thanks, that is so much what i need to be my mantra. It is better than before. It is more good than bad.

My D thinks I'm an oversensitive wuss

better that than an insensitive boor, which we've all had more than enough of.

I feel a bit guilty writing so much down, especially when some people have said they feel ignored this week, and I just don't have anything much to give today.

It really helps to have a place to put stuff, hope other people do the same too, and just write it all down sometimes without wondering who will listen ( or hear )

And that's the biggest acceptance of all I guess for me- there's nothing I can do right now to resolve all this.
I undid it, it's all spilled out, there's no putting it back.
Hopefully it'll ooze away over the next few days....
Maybe that's why we're so resistent to the idea of therapy in the first place!!! One of my managers used to say 'it's easy to get people to open up, it's what you do next that causes problems'.

I was havign weekly therapy but my finances won't allow it over the summer unless I run up debts which i don't want to do right now.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2007, 03:48:17 PM »
I just read all this back and ( apart from being horriefied by my fast typing spelling and laziness in not correcting it ) what hits me is how much I miss being really ill now I manage the illness.

At this point of pain and agitation and no resolution I could just slip into it and use alcohol and medication and let all my responsibilities go....wow that's a big admission.

I have heard of models of mental illness as means of escape from relationships or situations....that's what i want. To escape. But it's not healthy and it's not part of my way of life now.

My new psych doctor said i wouldn't be able to choose, the illness would come or not whatever I did.

I'm startign to think that's not true, because it shoudl be here and I did the stuff I thought would prevent it and it's not.

Imagine that too- being in control and totally responsible for yourself after years of get-out-clause....nothing to hold me back.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2007, 07:25:22 PM »
Don't you worry or apologize or keep score or be concerned about anybody responding, Write.

IMO, anybody who posts on the board takes NO space from anyone else! This is as level a playing field as we can get in this life.

Just keep being kind to Write...imo, you're having a huge insight about your imperfect-but-better self.

your NON-Mama,
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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2007, 08:29:07 PM »
Don't you worry or apologize or keep score or be concerned about anybody responding, Write.

IMO, anybody who posts on the board takes NO space from anyone else!


I do try and do things which don't take the power or attention from others, it's something I have to do in my everyday life, I can be overpowering personality-wise.

Thanks Hops and for understanding me.

I'm going though stuff right now which is hard to explain somehow, it's like I deconstructed everything and I haven't quite got new emotional legs to stand on!

They keep collapsing under me....

imperfect-but-better self.

it is better isn't it.

I can't believe I don't drink, don't act out, don't do dangerous relationships, don't self-sabotage and self-destruct.

But it does feel sometimes like not doing anything in comparison with all the drama and tension and relief of tension cycles.

Then I find myself half-way through a movie and laughing, or reading or writing and just being.

Then the peace of mind goes away again....then it comes back.

I guess I'll stabilise eventually!

your NON-Mama,

you are so wonderful!

It will be interesting to see how close I will let people get over the next few months, because my reaction above is typical. I won't let anyone look after me, and people don;t feel needed by me.

I want to stop pushing people away and playing perfection.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2007, 08:35:13 PM »
Write,

I just wanted to drop you a quick note to tell you that I am rooting for you.  What you are saying makes perfect sense to me.  I can't tell you what an encouragement it is to see you manage your illness so responsibly. 

CB
When they are older and telling their own children about their grandmother, they will be able to say that she stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way -- and it surely has not -- she adjusted her sails.  Elizabeth Edwards 2010

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2007, 04:14:16 PM »
Thanks CB.

The complexity of it all overwhelms me sometimes.

I just went to talk to the guy at church, I wanted to make sure everything is okay there before I go back next weekend. One of the things he said with perfect synchronicity was 'if working things out is like peeling an onion, you think there's a centre but when you get there it's just a smaller onion'! Of course we laughed but my Bhuddist friend tried to tell me something similar last year about a concept of eye within an eye....

I can't tell you what an encouragement it is to see you manage your illness so responsibly. 

Thanks for sayign that CB.

It's really hard sometimes to do something so hard and no one notices or gives any positive feedback....though the negative feedback comes fast if I were to backslide!!!


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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2007, 06:14:53 PM »
Attitudes, beliefs, direct or indirect messages that we received from our parents or from other significant people in our lives early on may have contributed to the development of imposter feelings. Certain family situations and dynamics tend to contribute to imposter feelings: when the success and career aspirations conflicts with the family expectations of the gender, race, religion, or age of the person, families who impose unrealistic standards, families who are very critical, and families who are ridden with conflict and anger.


http://www.counseling.caltech.edu/articles/The%20Imposter%20Syndrome.htm

Hope that this is not offensive to anybody since you have been so nice and so kind to me, but I believe that the way our parents relate to us create our personality. I guess that if we are insecure we make our children insecure. I don't know. maybe if you check this article you might enllight me more.

No news yet about my tests. CT-HIDA o Monday.


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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2007, 06:20:05 PM »
I was very touched by CB123 because I always minimize my accomplishements. Always!!! I have done many things in my life and always feel inferior anyway. I am a great teacher and I constantly need reasurance, I know I am doing a good job and I feel bad anyway, i came to this wonderful country and still feel low achiever, I speak several languages and still, .......bla bla bla, I can tell you many things, but still I always feel bad. I know I should be more thankful to God for many wonderful things, I have a job, I have a more or less confortable life, I have a very decent car, decent apartment, nice Gym, Literature club, dance classes, lost waight, cannot complain. But still feel bad. It is internal, or maybe chemestry, or who knows what.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2007, 07:51:15 PM »
Lupita,

  I did not find the article offensive at all, I enjoyed reading it.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2007, 12:57:22 PM »
I was very touched by CB123 because I always minimize my accomplishements. Always!!! I have done many things in my life and always feel inferior anyway. I am a great teacher and I constantly need reasurance, I know I am doing a good job and I feel bad anyway, i came to this wonderful country and still feel low achiever, I speak several languages and still, .......bla bla bla, I can tell you many things, but still I always feel bad. I know I should be more thankful to God for many wonderful things, I have a job, I have a more or less confortable life, I have a very decent car, decent apartment, nice Gym, Literature club, dance classes, lost waight, cannot complain. But still feel bad. It is internal, or maybe chemestry, or who knows what.


This is a long rambling train of thought...... skip it if you're not really bored, lol. 

Reading Lupita's post struck a cord with me.  I spend more time feeling empty than I care to dwell on.  Some of it's situational but...... some of it I've carried throughout my life.  When I concentrate on something positive..... or just begin DOING something I should do or would enjoy doing..... I find I'm better company than anything else I could substitute.  It's just getting past the anxiety.  Past the habitual knawing of being empty and missing something (I know is related to my FOO.)  If I can break out of the habit and DO...... I experience my actual day.  I enjoy the moment.  I leave yesterday's anxiety and tomorrow's fear behind, which is my goal, isn't it?  I very much feel it is.

It takes concetration to focus on what we DO have in our lives and it takes abandoning our constant anxiety, (which causes some anxiety on it's own.)   I must say...... there's usually limited time before that tap on my shoulder, anxiety and the feeling of something missing, comes back. 

The anxiety was least least prevalent when I lived on my own and took time away from dating and draining relationships, (my sister was newly residing outside the country for instance.) I put energy into starting a business and being proactive, I waxed and detailed my car every weekend, lol...... I was the healthiest and focused on saying NO to EVERYTHING negative.  I created a busy positive life and I was very set on doing that.... there was purpose and drive behind it. I went to Europe, I sailed the Bahamas, I vacationed in Palm Beach with my mother and her dh.  My hair was WHITE from being happy in the sun.... making money at a new business and working part time in the afternoon and evenings caring for 3 children and their home...... I ran that house well!  Detailing bathrooms and the kitchen was walking meditation and teaching those children to eat better and understand important life concepts was important to me.  God help me I told those children their mother wasn't really overweight because she'd given birth to them...... (which was what they said she told them.) I explained she had poor eating habits and didn't excercise!  Sure enough.... after I cooked and served a healthy meal.... she'd come in the door at 10pm with fried chicken and a big Kroger cake and they'd all sit down and have a second dinner of junk!  Needless to say...... she wasn't so very motivated to keep me around.  But that was how I saw it and I thought it was evil of her to make those darling children feel guilty for her health.  This was one of those situations my mother would say..... "sometimes you can be too right." 

 Ahhhh.... quite a ramble.  If you're still reading.... sorry about the length of this post.  It does make me feel better though: )

Back to saying YES to good things.  Back to heing capable of identifying them.   I continued this streak for a whole summer before I said yes to a relationship I THOUGHT I could control...... but couldn't.  And there were real sparks between us, I swear there were. I didn't realize that sparks are a HUGE RED FLAG..... not being able to wipe a silly grin off my face when I meet someone is a BAD thing.  For me at least.   It was sort of like a drunk just taking a sip, really, lol...... but it was a relationship I knew wasn't long term and I said so right up front.  I KNEW I KNEW I KNEW!  Of course, as soon as I said this to this man..... said he wasn't ever going to be considered a seriouse suitor, he soon became my first husband.  And I'd waited till I was over 30 to take that step too.   I couldn't control it once I let him in my life.

 I think the same thing happened with this marriage.  I knew enough to drive him off in the beginning..... but he was persistent and came back.  More than once.  He learned what to say and how to say it.  I never really learned to guard my boundaries well enough, did I? I only learned how to identify them and set them.  ::shaking head:: There's so much more to it but I didn't understand then.

 Another red flag.... men who try to turn our NO's... into a YES.  In every regard.    These men don't respect us.  These men can also turn out to be more than just a nightmare relationship.  Men who try to change our minds can also turn out to be those that will harm or kill us.  Red flags..... we should pay strict attention to them.  Set and guard our boundaries.... even if we don't feel we're worthy.  Even if we have to fake it till it becomes habit.  We can eventually become comfortable with the concept and then we can start believing. 

I'm capable of identifying and making better choices.  This IS a fact.  WE ALL ARE!  Part of doing that is saying NO to EVERY bad choice, no if's and or but's about it.  I can't just expose myself A LITTLE to something unhealthy and not lose sight of what I'm trying to accomplish.  That's the truth.  I do so well and then...... I'm doing well for so long I forget how hard I have to remain focused in order to sustain that healthy mindset.  I haven't quite solidified all the lessons and it's like falling off the wagon.  I guess that's why AA does so well with the Sponsor thing.... they solidify their lessons by mentoring and teaching the one's they've mastered.  This board has strength because of this pricipal.   

I think relationships are the hardest addiction to break..... maybe?  They're certainly very hard to get out of and replace.  Sometimes the replacements can be worse than the one we're trying to get free of.  But, if we learn to look carefully..... we can see the signs.  Listen and don't dismiss.  Don't give second chances.  Acess, Accept and ACT.  It's not like replacing happy hour martinis with racket ball and a book club, now is it? Better to just start making better choices than to have to go through another bad relationship.  ::nodding::  Better to be alone than to be in a bad relationship.  Alone means we do self work and then.... then.... we choose people to relate to because we want to, not because we need to.  ::end rant::
 Margo

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2007, 09:55:06 PM »
Margo,
That was a totally inspiring and incredibly useful rant.

THANK YOU!

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2007, 02:07:24 PM »
Good luck for tests Lupita.

I think relationships are the hardest addiction to break..... Sometimes the replacements can be worse than the one we're trying to get free of.  ( Margo )

I started reading The Betrayal Bond and there's a lot on there about repeating patterns of traumatic relationships.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2007, 04:41:34 PM »
Write,

Just want to say that I really admire you.

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2007, 05:11:11 PM »
Margo,
That was a totally inspiring and incredibly useful rant.

THANK YOU!

Hops

Thanks Hops. 

Margo

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Re: Insecurity
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2007, 11:58:41 PM »
I admire you too Axa, thanks for all the really useful stuff this week.

It's been a funny old week, all over the place emotionally I guess but never completely lost....I really do feel my emotions that's for sure.

Think I'll go walk the dog and swim then it's time for a sleep, I'm singing early church tomorrow.

My car sounds liek something else is breaking. It's been a long working day. Lonmg week. Things are going to be okay.