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michael:
CERTAIN HOPE,
WHEN YOU SAY
--- Quote ---P.S. on edit... another key "revelation" for me was in recognizing what Satan was about when he decided to lead a rebellion against God.
Lucifer did not choose to be "bad" at all. In fact, his five "I wills" showed me that what he was up to = trying to be good ... trying to be "all that and a bag of chips"... apart from God. And that was me.
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i suspicion the 5 wills of lucifer was not that close to
what you were when you were trying to be good....
kinda stretchin the similarities twixt you and lucifer a tad i would think:)
Certain Hope:
--- Quote from: michael on May 23, 2007, 09:38:02 AM ---CERTAIN HOPE,
WHEN YOU SAY
--- Quote ---P.S. on edit... another key "revelation" for me was in recognizing what Satan was about when he decided to lead a rebellion against God.
Lucifer did not choose to be "bad" at all. In fact, his five "I wills" showed me that what he was up to = trying to be good ... trying to be "all that and a bag of chips"... apart from God. And that was me.
--- End quote ---
i suspicion the 5 wills of lucifer was not that close to
what you were when you were trying to be good....
kinda stretchin the similarities twixt you and lucifer a tad i would think:)
--- End quote ---
Michael,
I can only speak of my own perspective on these things, which underwent a drastic chang when I received the teaching that
God sees only two "people" in this world - Adam and Christ.
This is all in a spiritual context, and in no way does it minimize the fact that God
knows each of us individually and intimately, at the deepest level.
HE knows both who I am ... and Whose I am, at heart. What firms this up for me is the way the Lord has made it clear in Scripture that a person cannot serve two masters.... and so I draw the conclusion that if I am not in Christ and serving Him, then I am serving Satan.
I don't speak of comparisons with Lucifers "I will" statements from the standpoint of feeling so "bad".. as though my own evils can be compared with those of the devil. No, it's not a measure of badness vs goodness... to me, it's about motivation and heart attitude.
As the Bible teaches, a human being's very best works of righteousness are nothing but filthy rags in the sight of holy God.
And so, before I was in Christ, even when I did "good"... that was an "I will", and not an act of worship to God.
For the benefit of those who aren't familiar,
Satan's five "I will" statements are recorded in the book of Isaiah... and, by the way, I'd say he is the first and ultimate N.
("But you said in your heart,)
'I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north.
'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.'
Isaiah 14:13-14
Oh yes, that is an ideal description of my self... before I was called to accept Christ as Savior - to humble myself and say "Lord, I can't save myself, I need you Lord, take residence inside me Lord, I am nothing without You Lord."
Now it is - not my will be done, but Yours, Lord Jesus.
Thanks for reading :)
Certain Hope:
I've really been pondering on these promises of God, related to the believer's identity in Jesus Christ, and it finally began to sink in - they truly are my greatest treasure!
But then I wondered... is there room in my treasure chest for these realities?
Or is there some old fool's gold to be cleared out, in order to make way for that which is truly worthy?
For much of my life, I was the tender of the family treasure.
It, whatever it was, was not treasure by nature, or even because of its personal value to me, but because someone else declared it to be so.
I was expected to be keeper of the old, so that the previous owner could make room for the new and better.
Whenever something became flawed, it was given to me, so that they could replace it with something which wouldn't offend them by its defects. At times, I was given something new and undamaged... the sort of token that an N might give to appease, when she'd gone out and gotten something really nice for herself.
Handcrafted items which met the standard of perfection, suitable for sale or gifts, would be bestowed on others with great flourish. The cracked, warped, marred, or stained stuff would be given to me.
My closet, my walls, storage boxes.... all filled with castoffs.
I've enjoyed multiple bonfires... and then felt the guilt and shame.
The stuff is nearly gone, along with any value that had been attached to it, seemingly by osmosis...
but shame doesn't burn, except by the cleansing fire of the Holy Spirit.
So I ask HIM to make room for His genuine treasure and I trust that He will, not because I've got it all sorted... but because God is so very faithful.
Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.... well, there's no safer place and no more tender Keeper than the One who gave His all for every one of us.
Certain Hope:
--- Quote from: Ami on May 25, 2007, 08:50:21 PM ---Dear Hope,
I am glad that this thread is coming to life again.
I learned something really profound. Lucifer was trying to "be good" in his own strength(if I have it right).He was not bowing the knee to God. Therefore, when we try to be our "own"person, we are imitating Lucifer- WOW. That is 'heavy"
That is a "big" revelation Thanks so much. Hope Ami
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Yes, that's a good summary! Thank you, Ami :)
Stopped in here today because I thought of you and your signature line while listening to an online message last evening... titled "How To Find Freedom From Your Fears".
The speaker's name is Chip Ingram and his ministry program is called "Living On the Edge" (that's what caught my eye initially... so fitting!)
Archives to these audio programs can be found at http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Living_on_the_Edge/archives.asp
I only became aware of this program a couple months ago... and I'm so glad a friend told me about it!
You'll see the 2-part message about fear is from Tues., 5-29 and Wed., 5-30... but I'd recommend all of the recent broadcasts available there. This morning, I'll play the current one about Love When You Don't Deserve It, and then backtrack a bit, since I've missed a few along the way. Good stuff :) Hope it helps someone... I've sure found it beneficial.
With love in Christ,
Hope
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