Voicelessness and Emotional Survival > What Helps?

‘Happiness’, delusion, Zen & books

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moonlight52:
Hey Portia ,
Maybe stumbling on Happiness can be easier if we let it...................

Zen perspective
Feel the pain of others
understand their struggles
and disappointments
... their hardships and inadequacies...

And open your heart to them
Realize that everyone is doing the best
they possibly can
Judge no one
But rather cradle all of humanity in your heart.............

moonlight52:
p.s because of said inadequacies I am reaching for this goal ......
but it is getting easier for me to embrace understanding of self and others.


with much love to you
moon

Hopalong:
love back to you, Moon!

How is Mr. Moon, and how are the Moonlets, and last hardly least, how is Moon?

Hops

Portia:
Thanks for your replies here.

Sela, Hopelessness training? I don’t feel hopeless.


--- Quote ---Oh you do make a good argument!!
--- End quote ---


What do your words above mean, or, why did you say them?


--- Quote ---If unhealthy is aware (as defined by yourself) are you sure you want to be there alone and unhappy?
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I didn’t say that Sela? I think there’s a misunderstanding.


--- Quote ---Was it a happy place?  That house?  Maybe that was part of the lie too?  Maybe there is such a thing as a happy place but they couldn't/wouldn't/didn't lead you there or teach you how to go there?  Maybe that's part of what needs pursuing?  (ain't I a beggar!!)
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No it wasn’t. There is such a thing as a happy house? I live in one, depending on how you define happy! Ain’t you a beggar? Well yes and no. Thanks for being a beggar and I hope you know I appreciate it more than I say. The only thing here where I think you might be being a beggar is up there about me making a good argument? Probably a huge misunderstanding!


Moon

There is nobody more critical of me than me. I am hugely self-critical. And I am critical of others. Being critical of me makes me ‘happy’ I suppose. Being critical of others does not make me happy. I judge people’s judgement of me all the time.

When I lose all my anger, when I lose all the judgements, I have no motivation to do anything at all (and I feel quite ‘happy’ with that).

I was going to let this thread go.

Sela:
Hiya P,

That was me trying to imagine what it was like for you growing up and trying to put it into words...hopelessness training, seeing it as an unhappy place.  Guess I didn't do a good job there putting that into words.

I'm saying you're making a good argument for staying truthful (and aware, I assume) and unhealthy, if healthy means being deluded.


--- Quote ---If healthy is deluded, do I want to be happy/healthy? (as defined by other people?)
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I'm asking, would you rather be aware (the opposite of deluded) and lonely (not happy...not the opposite but thinking in terms of other people....if they were to remain "healthy and deluded").....if that were the only choice, would you choose it?   A rather silly question at that.  And I might be misunderstanding a lot.

I think we might agree?

Sela

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