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Stormchild

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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2007, 10:48:52 AM »
el, psychopaths are often described as malignant narcissists. They are the worst kind of narcissist there is. Read anything you can get your hands on by Robert Hare...

here's a google search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Dr.+Robert+Hare&btnG=Google+Search

and one of the links with a pretty decent summary of this stuff

http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/key_symptoms_sociopath.html

on the lovefraud site, another pretty decent summary of how these creeps fool so many people so much of the time

http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/sociopaths_blend_in.html

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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2007, 12:35:36 PM »
I read a wikipedia description of psychopathy-that describes my F very well. I will look up Robert Hare. thanks for the links Stormchild.

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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2007, 12:51:38 PM »
Dear El,
    You are an inspiration to me. I see you digging yourself out of your hole- little by little. I am with you,Friend ,digging myself out,little by little  .                    Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2007, 02:58:42 PM »
Anybody ever seen www.myray.com ?

what do you think?

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2007, 09:04:07 PM »
Bella,

Is it really unusual for Narcissists to use physical violence? And he was my father, not my spouse. Is it possible to be both a psychopath and a narcissist? He fits the description on a Narcissist who uses cruel violence to destroy ("create" in his opinion) into what he wanted. Is this characteristic of any particular disorder?

I'm so sorry for the mixup El! That is so awful that you were raised in the same home as a violent father. Hugs to you! I can only imagine the pain you have suffered.

I'm afraid I do not know much about Narcissists and their level of violence towards children. That is something I have not read about, El. Is your father generally violent? Or is it something he directed mainly at his children and in secret? My mother is a Somatic narcisisst and I can confirm that she went through violent spells. I suppose she let herself off the hook as mother because she could pass it off as `discipline'. But the reality is she would get into moods, target the weakest of us and then use violence to `blow off steam'.  For example, when my little sister was learning to read, my mother would pick out books that were too difficult for her to read and make her try to read them each night. My little sister would struggle with the advanced words, and so my mother would beat her over and over for what seemed like hours. It became a habit for some months; possibly as long as a year. She would also fly into violent rages a lot when we were teens.

But I feel that, like a lot of narcissists, she was very careful about protecting her `image' as a perfect mother. So when she was violent, she was extremely secretive about it and she always had justifications. Mostly she was emotionally abusive.

Psychopathy seems like a different entity to me, although psychopaths seemingly have similar emotional goals to Narcissists on the surface, such as the need to feel powerful and superior. A major difference to me is that psychopaths seem to get their sense of power directly from anti-social behaviour especially violence and intimidation. Narcissists seem to get theirs from carefully nuturing and protecting a fantasy where they consider themselves `perfect and superior'. If naricissists are rarely violent, it would be because such behaviour would interfere with their fantasy of being perfect.

PS. Great links Stormchild!




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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 05:24:21 PM »
My father was violent in secret to the kids, and he only stopped after the police were involved. Apparently there is "malignant narcissism" which is the link between narcissism to psychopathy. And might have that. In any case, I'm through with him.

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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 08:57:37 PM »
El:

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We have to convince ourselves that we are worthy, capable of protecting ourselves.  Then we begin faking it till we get it.


YAY! Bravo for you. I hope you'll seek out nurturing strong empathetic awesome role models and support people, in a variety of different settings. Hang in with that, exposing yourself over and over...and throw in some volunteering as you have time, with people who've had it hard too...

and you will heal and find meaning and purpose, El.

I think you are stepping out toward a richly rewarding life.

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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2007, 07:39:07 PM »
On Sam Vakin:

I can't stand him. He almost has a monopoly on internet NPD resources. Why do people trust him? He is using people to feed his disorder.
When you first begin looking up NPD, Vakin is the first thing you will find..he is leading people astray.

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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2007, 07:53:31 PM »
El,

I agree.

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2007, 12:11:08 AM »
Me too.
Vaknin did help peel my eyeballs and shake me out of denial...
but after that, it's like choosing Tony Soprano to be your financial planner because he's made some money.

Yugggh.

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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2007, 01:16:45 AM »



el,

I'm with you.  Vaknin is obnoxious.  Not saying he has not published some good stuff, but obnoxious to the max.

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2007, 04:18:54 AM »
El,

I totally agree with you. Vaknin is weird (he must be, he's an N).

I emailed him last year, questioning his theory as described on his *huge* website, as I saw holes in it that I wanted answered, and got a VERY nasty reply back.

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Re: Stalking the Soul and other books
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2007, 07:47:44 AM »
I have to say that Vaknin is a "sledge hammer",but my denial was so great that a sledge hammer was just what I needed. I could not '"get" what N was until I read Vaknin. Then, after he mauled me, I got it. I guess it is just about which "medicine" fits which  individual                       Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung