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Characteristics of N mothers
« on: June 25, 2007, 03:37:24 PM »
It's a very slow day at work today, so I was doing a little research.  I found this article.  It's my mother to a tee.  I thought I would share.  If I had any doubts about her not being an N, this pretty much erased them.

http://www.geocities.com/zpg1957/narcissists.htm
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 08:13:08 PM »
THhs is so mind blowingly true that I am speechless. Thank you so much for posting it. It confirmed and validated me today and I needed it .
   I think that this article  added special little touches that Vaknin missed. I like the part about the physical abuse that might not be actual hitting,but not relieving. your pain. My M used to put me in my room when I was sick and just leave me there--- no comfort, attention etc.. I remember that my father would come in at night and turn my pillow over ( when I had a fever). He would say that he "put it on the 'cool" side." I would just love that little bit of attention. I just thought my father was "so wonderful" for those little tid bits of kindness.
   Today, I started "forgiving" my M .After reading that article, I would like to beat her to death with my bare hands                                                               Love   Ami
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 09:52:49 PM »
I don't know who wrote the article of what the source of their opinion is, but if it's an objective portrait of a narcissist-mother, I have to say...my mother is not that.

She has many narcissistic traits, including some portrayed in the article, but she is not that. I want to revert to calling her "Nish". I count myself lucky.

I'm so sorry that many people here have endured the full list described from their full-tilt Nmothers, from manipulation to abuse...so many, many baffling cruelties.

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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007, 10:49:49 PM »
Dear Hops,
   Mine is totally that .                                                         Love   Ami
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 11:06:21 PM »
Ami,

Mine is so totally that list too.  My T even called her crazy. 

Tonight she said when she gets ready to die, she's going to take all of her jewelry and sell it so that my dad can use the money to pay for her cremation.  The jewelry was supposed to be mine.  I collect jewelry, and she had always promised me that I could have her diamonds.

I just wanted to say, "Why don't you go ahead and disown me, because it certainly seems like you want to."

I did not know that my aunt and uncle had commented on her craziness until I talked with my brother tonight.  I was amazed.
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 12:59:36 AM »
I believe you all, and I admire
you for your determination
to heal from these "mothers"...

(((((((()))))))))

Hops
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 04:58:17 AM »
Tayana,

What a brilliant description of N mothers.

When did the writer get the chance to observe MY mother, though? :shock: He's got her to a T. Spooky. So may behaviours that, as he describes, can be so easily dismissed by others if you try to explain them later.

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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 07:16:35 AM »
Dear Hops,
   Just a thought and I could be totally wrong. It seems like a real NPD personality type could not have been a beloved teacher for all those years.
  I think that a full blown NPD could not function like that without "incidents.   I bring this up to foster a discussion.
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 08:56:42 AM »
That's right, Ami. My mother is damaged in ways that made it difficult for her to love, very narcissistic, has many of the N traits...but not with enough of an edge to qualify her for a full NPD diagnosis. She's close, but on the continuum, not at its outer limit.

She is simply very very N-ish. Totally self-absorbed, manipultive, entitled, lacking empathy, but without conscious cruelty. She was damaged by her daughter-abusing, entitled preacher father. But she has done good in her life, and has done the best she knew how. She has a religious and etiquette code that she cleaves to that prevent outright abuse and attack, as so many here have suffered.

The subtle stuff was very hard to identify, to suss out. It was decades of therapy before I was able to understand why I felt so damaged.

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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2007, 09:49:15 AM »
Janet,

I know what you mean about no one believing you when you mention these traits.  So many people think I'm making things up because when they meet her, she's totally charming.  She puts on a regular little show.

It's a brilliant list.

Hops, it's the subtle stuff I think that hurts more than all the rest.  It's the stuff that leaks through your walls and eats at you for years and years until you finally start believing it.
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007, 10:36:39 AM »
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Hops, it's the subtle stuff I think that hurts more than all the rest.  It's the stuff that leaks through your walls and eats at you for years and years until you finally start believing it.


Thanks for understanding, Tayana...that was chillingly well put and very comforting to read.

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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2007, 10:39:22 AM »
My mom has all those characteristics. All of them. I grew up very isolated all my life.
Thank you for the post Tayana.

You will survive and be successful. You can do it.

God is with you.

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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2007, 05:39:27 PM »
I think that my H is like Hops mother.He is N  (ish)                     Love  Ami
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2007, 08:35:36 PM »
Hi Tayana,
I have read this one before, but reading it again was like a punch in the stomach. Yes, this is exactly it. It proves it for me, but I always wonder if there isn't someone besides me in my family that sees it.
Love, Beth
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Re: Characteristics of N mothers
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2007, 08:46:51 PM »
Dear Beth,
    Her sister described her as "unsentimental".  NPD is so awful and demoralizing that none wants to face it unless they are forced to.
   I was forced to face how horrible she is. I face  it more and more, every day----- how awful she is.Who would want to face "the monster" if they could avoid it?
   In my family no one faces the truth.
   I would have died or gone crazy if I had not face the truth                           Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung