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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2007, 11:51:34 PM »
Hi CH...

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I think that behind all of this is my fear of losing my parents when they don't even know who I am... and it feels like they don't care to know.
Or maybe they just don't know how to ask?

I think one of the hardest things that can happen in life is when spirits are defeated. I think when we're still striving, still asking...when there is still curiosity (even the painful questions represent curiosity, an open mind)...there's life.

But some people really do get defeated. They lose the ability to be curious.

Ns don't have much about other people anyway. But they are human. I think it's huge for you to see your mother as human.

She sounds soured, worn out, and too defeated to be curious -- even about her child.
It's horribly sad, but I think you're seeing reality.

I'm really sorry.

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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2007, 12:19:43 AM »
Hi CB,
You said the most prfound thing:

Eventually, I was able to go close to NC and I didnt think about her much at all, unless I had to deal with her, which I did periodically.  Of course, I had internalized a lot of her criticism so her actual presence wasnt mandatory.   :shock:

OMGosh! That is sooo true. She doesn't even have to be on planet Earth.
How powerful is that?
I'm speechless. (Believe it or not!)  :lol:
That just hit me right in the gut!
Ya know..I don't think I like that very much. Her....controling me like that....GRRRRRR! :x
Thanks CB,
I needed to hear that.
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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2007, 05:17:45 AM »
Pal,

I used to carry my own 'NMUM voice' around with me, so I didn't need my mother to ACTUALLY be there, either...I could do it all on my own! What perfect training! She'd have been so pleased to know I was 'self-regulating'!

However, eventually I managed to 'turn off' the voice, and it's sooo peaceful now.

Peace,

You wrote: "Janet – I am beginning to think we are long-lost sisters – our childhoods and mothers are eerily similar!! "


I would love to have had a sister like you (and several others on this board, too!) instead of the N clone of a sister that I've ACTUALLY got! Wouldn't it be good if we could swap?

You also said: " (I also hate the “difficult” word  – the other phrase I loathe “you are soooo sensitive.” )"

Oooh, 'so sensitive', yes, that strikes a nerve, too. And 'you think you're sooo special' (As if!)

Janet

PS Thanks for all the denials of me being difficult! I'll try really hard to believe you. I like the suggestion that it's my NMum who's really the difficult one :D

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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2007, 09:20:44 AM »
I can relate to the "difficult"...

One that still never fails to make my skin crawl, is when NMom says,
"Remember so and so?" about a perfectly nice human being.

NMom gives subtle headshake and little smirky smile...
"Yes...well, she's an interesting person."

"Interesting" was always code for, I can think of some way of putting her down and I'm about to tell you the story as though I am sympathetic to her but I will sow doubts and malicious notions even without a shred of evidence.

Yuuggghh. My shoulders are hiking toward my earlobes at the thought.

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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2007, 11:28:17 AM »
Thank you,CB. That was beautifully said                                                Love   Ami
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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2007, 11:46:15 AM »
Hello Friends-

I am an unsophisticated person living a prosaic existence, no great personage, no family support, disabled, nothing to brag about! Yet I am so happy to be alive today! Some days, when I compare myself with people with families to visit and talk to, I hate myself and almost cannot go on doing even the simplest of things...I feel ashamed and worthless. I know that these feelings were instilled in me as a small child, and reinforced throughout my life.
As a child in school I had some lovely experiences, but once had a teacher who ridiculed and berated me daily because of my tattered clothes and disheveled appearance. I only had one dress per year, usually no coat, one pair of shoes that I outgrew yearly. My mother had left us when I was almost 4, and my father worked 2 jobs- at 5 years old I got myself to school alone.  I would go in at 7am and attend a session for poor children where we were given cod liver oil (this was a kindness that I will never forget). I skipped a grade, loved the academics,played an instrument, etc., and in many ways school was a haven, but that particular year with the angry teacher was the hardest for me. I had friends, but some of the children gave me a hard time every day because of my appearance.  At 6 or 7 I began to work in the school cafeteria in order to get the 35 cent lunch for free. Some kids laughed at my hairnet and apron, but I enjoyed it. Soon I became the youngest child to ever have the responsibility of working the cash register, and this gave me some status!
Once, on my rare (once a year at most) visits with my mother, she bought a long sweater for me to wear to cover my rags- I embarrassed her too (she was a clothes horse with a huge walk in closet in her tiny apartment). I liked  her very much, admired her appearance, and envied her close relationship with my grandmother.
At church, I was a featured singer and instrumentalist from a young age, but I was harshly turned away from social activities because of my shabby clothes ( I went to church without parents). I will never forget this, and am crying now at the memories. Then, when I was about 13 years old,someone at the church gave me some clothes that had been abandoned at the cleaners- this was a transformative moment. I had never in my life had such attractive clothes. They fit beautifully, and really suited me in color and style. And there were several outfits! God Bless That Kind Person!!!!!
Soon afterward, I was sent away permanently to a series of foster homes. Things improved in some areas- there was someone to actually buy food and cook meals for me! However, during Christmas and such, I was expected to go into a backroom so that the families could exchange gifts in privacy, etc. I went for periods without lunch money , etc, until I got a job (1st oneat 14) . Then I learned to sew, got a little job, and never faced the problem of not having basic needs met again until in adulthood I became disabled, my husband abandoned me, couldn't walk or get into a wheelchair, was often hungry, and I had to wear clothes that literally fell apart from wear!
But things have changed- I got a degree from a top tier university in my "old age", and even though my NH is gone again (this time I asked him to leave because of violence, threats, and abusive spending , talk, and actions), I feel better than at almost any time in my life (although I get pretty shaky sometimes). I have had some major crises come up and gotten depressed, but have continued to fight on.
Now that my NH is gone, I am attending my physical therapy more consistently (he always had something  I had to do when I had appointments, and I neglected this important part of caring for myself), and much feeling better physically (though the pain is excruciating at times). I take care of my basic needs, and have decided to go on to law school, and not take a break while I sort things out- time is so precious now!
I am  fortunate and happy to be alive!!!!

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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2007, 11:50:36 AM »
Oh, Changing.
Thank you for sharing this.
What a painful childhood, if you can call it that.

I would have given a leg to have been able to scoop you up and tell you how beautiful you are.

Thank you.
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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2007, 03:07:07 PM »
Changing, your story brings tears to my eyes.

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Once, on my rare (once a year at most) visits with my mother, she bought a long sweater for me to wear to cover my rags- I embarrassed her too (she was a clothes horse with a huge walk in closet in her tiny apartment). I liked  her very much, admired her appearance, and envied her close relationship with my grandmother.

It makes my eyes roll back in my head to think of a clothes horse leaving her child in rags, but yet buying a sweater to cover the same rags so she doesn't have to see them.  And here you are wishing after her love and relationship.  You poor sweetie. 

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I will never forget this, and am crying now at the memories. Then, when I was about 13 years old,someone at the church gave me some clothes that had been abandoned at the cleaners- this was a transformative moment. I had never in my life had such attractive clothes. They fit beautifully, and really suited me in color and style. And there were several outfits! God Bless That Kind Person!!!!!

changing, the person who gave you those clothes bought those clothes for you specially.  Clothes abandoned at the cleaners don't fit beautifully and suit you in color and style.  That person gave you a gift in secret, and lied so you wouldn't think it was charity.  It's incredibly moving. 

P.S. so you wouldn't think it was charity and also, I think, so the giver wouldn't self-exalt by taking credit for it.  The giver just really wanted to do that for you.  It's so pure of heart.  I'm totally verklemt.
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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2007, 05:37:36 PM »
Oh changing



What a story! What strength!

I am always amazed at what children endure and still survive. (I too was in a time that cod liver oil pills were supplied to the schools--rural anyway.)

I can identify with the N sabotaging a 'therapy' time or for me my Al-anon meeting, then therapy. What he would do was something with my car so that I would have to feel grateful that he did it-- change the oil etc.

Is your pain all over or in one particular area. I feel bad that you're in that pain, too, as the mental anguish just doubles the amount.

Love
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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2007, 05:57:25 PM »
Changing,

You are a wonderful, strong person, and an inspiration to me!

I'm sure you'll love doing the law course. I started my degree when I was 32, and I'm sure I got a lot more out of it than I would have done if I'd started at age 18.

Janet

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Re: Do you feel lucky to be alive? (your experiences)
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2007, 06:31:35 PM »
Dear Changing,
   I can see so clearly how it would be so easy to sink in to despair. It would be so easy to take those life experiences and let them define you. We are brainwashed,as children.Our minds are so open for learning. When we are told by word and deed that we are worthless-- it gets somewhere in to the circuits. It gets "hardwired" in a sense. Studies have been done on the brain, recently that show that the brain can change the wiring ,at any age.So, I guess that it feels hardwired ,but it is not. It is fluid.
     It is obvious that God gave you many gifts. He gave you a sweet and kind disposition,as well as love for    music, industriousness and love for learning.
   Changing. I can see how your old thought patterns brought misery in to your current life. You were probably so hungry and starved for love. It probably felt so good to be loved that you did not notice bad signs. Your intelligence and intuition probably told you, but your heart wanted someone to love you., so you ignored them
   Changing, I  know how hard it is not to have family that is close to you. You are suffering  so much b/c we all need connection.I think that it is hardwired in us. I am so, so very sorry.
   What I can see when I hear your "voice" is that God loves you so much and loved that little girl so much. It might be hard to see that. You might say,"Why did God let me suffer?". I have asked that question many times about my N mother. Why did I have to have her when other kids had a kind mother?.
   I see that God could not control her and make her loving . He sent many people to her so that she could find Him,but she thought that they were' weak."
  Changing, please forgive me if this talk of God is  grating or "silly" to you. I want so much to give you a hug and  hot cup of tea but I have nothing to give you except for my words.
   I see you as someone who God loves very, very very much.                    Love  Ami
 
 
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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