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mrt

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My parents have barely spoken to me since Dec 2001
« on: April 20, 2004, 06:34:49 AM »
I had no idea my parents were narcisstic until I did something that they didn't approve of. I was 37 at the time - Imagine my shock.  I had moved out of state and came back to town one time and didn't come over right away to see them - I had plans for Christmas shopping and want just wanted to relax before I braved going over there. My wife ,children and I were staying with my in-laws. Non church going people that my family considered "heathens"  
My parents were outraged. I was then furious that they were upset.  We had words over the phone and I refused to see them at Christmas. They retaliated by getting all of my  finiancial support withdraw from our church which was sponsoring me while attended school out of state. I was hurt and shocked by the congregation not even asking me why I suddenly "didn't need the money anymore."  - I had 4 kids and a wife to support.  
Well come May my wife desperately wanted to visit for a week,  her mother for mother's day. I took my wife to visit her mother  to honor her as the mother of my children. I dropped her off along with the kids and headed back out of state to our home. Well on the way back, I recieved a phone call from my dad stating that he was coming down to see me. I told him that I was traveling back home and that no body would be there cause they were visiting my wife's mom.
The next dayl I recieved an email with my dad threatening to come down and to beat me with a baseball bat because I didn't come over to see them while in town.  I recieved numerous emails from siblings and spouses stating how rotten and selfish I was and we had chosen to stay with heathens who drank alcohol and didn't attend church and we were lying to everyone.  ( My mother had obviously been on the phone working her compliant obedient children into a frenzy)
I wrote back a nice letter that a minister help me to compose trying to defend my self. Then they all wrote back and said I was full of sh** .
I was hurt and shocked again.
I got depressed and I couldn't concentrate on school so in October I packed up my family and moved back to town. They eventually found out and have never attempted to see their grandchildren or call or write.
I saw a psycharatrist due to my depression and showed him the letters they had written me. He advised me to stay away from them all.  Too much rage. He saw through the letters that they were " you can't tell them anything - they are always right"  
Now I'm wracked with guilt and anger for wasting my life helping them all these years. I bent over backwards not to offend them and my wife and I tried to please them but we realized finally that there was no pleasing them.  Now,  I have no relationship with my family. I like it sometimes and other time I feel that they should want a relationship with me and where are they. I feel bad for not wanting a relationship with them sometimes. I've had a lot of peace in my life and I don't want them back in it to spoil it. The dr told me that I was fine but I would have to deal with not seeing them.   help.    I need some advice from you guys.

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2004, 09:00:27 AM »
you poor thing, it's hard enough to deal with a violent uncaring family but when they do it in the name of god and religion it really tears your life apart.

Since living in the Southern US states I have met many many people like your family- repressed, angry, controlled and controlling. Mostly Southern Baptists, but there are other religions with similar uncompromising ideals ( one woman I knew  was a Mormon whose church congregation refused to help her unless she returned to her violent husband, she had no food, no support, nothing...of course, she went back, and her bishop told her she had done the right thing...)

Narcissism and religion seem to go hand in hand, cruelty and religion too. What better justification for having all your own way than 'God says...'

You have found your own good relationships and peace by walking away from their sickness. Don't feel bad about that. There are many of us here who have had to do the same to live the best lives we can. Count yourself lucky that you weren't sucked in and aren't acting out the corresponding bitterness and rage on your own wife and children.

As Jesus said:

'Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do'

Take care of yourself.

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2004, 09:04:40 AM »
mrtraced, I am in such a similar place as you.  words do not come easy as i recall - all through my life - the manipulation, the emotional blackmail, the fear tactics.  The utter meanness.  And, the weird thing is that I think they love me in the only way they know how.  

I know the exhaustion and the shock  :shock:  :shock:   the sadness  :(  the confusion  :?   It's just unbelievable, sometimes, isn't it?  Our own flesh and blood.  

My cousin used a word, "thumbscrewed by my mother" recently.  I looked up the word and a thumbscrew was a kind of torture and that is what it feels like, torture.  It is like they get a delight from doing this.  

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I recieved a phone call from my dad stating that he was coming down to see me."


This is typical N-behaviour.  They never ask.  They take.  Our voices (read: preferences)  must really scare them.

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I recieved an email with my dad threatening to come down and to beat me with a baseball bat because I didn't come over to see them while in town


My goodness, what lengths will they go to to get attention!  This is abuse - even if a threat - it is still abuse.  Plain and simple.  Draw a big line between you and him is my advice.  Your father has no right whatsoever to say this.  No right whatsoever.  You have my empathy from one who knows, who has lived through it too.

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I recieved numerous emails from siblings and spouses stating how rotten and selfish I was and we had chosen to stay with heathens who drank alcohol and didn't attend church and we were lying to everyone. ( My mother had obviously been on the phone working her compliant obedient children into a frenzy)


This is a control thing.  They can't deal with the fact that you have your own life so they act out their fears rather than deal with them.  They've targeted you - unconciously probably - as the easy prey.  That is what I tell myself.  They don't even know what they are doing....but that is no excuse.  

Your therapist said some good things.  

Are you sad that your parents haven't spoken to you since 2001?  Maybe you are better off without them.  I was sad/angry/confused that my dad never spoke to me since I was taken away from the state with my mom/grandparents at the age of four.  He never even made the effort.  Recently, we exchanged some emails (35 years later) and boy, is he ever in la-la land.  Everything has to do with him.  Everything has to do with mom.  I could give and give and give of myself and it would never be enough.  

So, I have wisened up.  I am not giving my power to them anymore.  I am honouring myself and in the process of separating  from my parents bullsh*t and recognizing that is HAS TO BE DONE.  The effects of their treatment of me will linger but I would rather have emotional distance than have them get inside my head again.  It is so sad that it has come to this.  

I would get on with your own, beautiful life and let them come un-glued if they must but, let me tell you, they've got to own that one.  It has nothing whatsoever to do with you.  

Take my words however you will.  I have so much pent-up frustrations from a lifetime of this but I am finding alot of comfort on this board.  It is hard at the beginning.

Wishing you and your wife and children luck on your path towards wholeness.  It seems like you have tried everything.  Time to open up to new people and look elsewhere for support.  

I really appreciate your posting.  These people - good grief - they have tested us time and again.  Use your strength to make a better a life for you.

Thanks again for posting.

~Dawning
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2004, 09:13:29 AM »
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Narcissism and religion seem to go hand in hand, cruelty and religion too. What better justification for having all your own way than 'God says...'


It seems like the only time my mother can be humble and open is once a week at church.  I saw her cry big crocodile tears at church when I was a child and then, come home, and not listen to a word I said.  "Mom, why does the moon hide parts of itself?"  "Mom, mom, why can't you hear me?"
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2004, 12:45:12 PM »
mrtraced,

Your psychiatrist is right....let him keep helping you. Your parents are seriously disturbed. You can't make them get treatment. Their violence and abuse will continue unabated. For the sake of your marriage and children, stay away from them. Keep getting support and help for the times when you naturally feel guilty and disconnected. And you've done NOTHING WRONG. Remember that.

bunny

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2004, 06:24:37 PM »
I have to say that I'm very sorry for what they have done to you. I can totally relate to the anger and confusion. On one hand, I am very glad that I have cut my family out of my life, but it's still hard when they don't even ask why or treat you with any kind of concern. Holidays go by, and I am not thought of. But I guarantee you I am lied about and spoken of.

It does seem ironic how N's use religion to their benefit. Both of my nutso Nparents do this. One thinks he's "born again" and will talk about being a "Christian husband" (his second wife has left him and he makes her life miserable while trying to convince others he's suffering). The other one has just recently switched to Lutheran from Catholic and thinks the pastor should have given her a walk because she has all kinds of dinner parties for them and volunteers at the church. Neither one of them act anything like a Christian and away from the church, they're just as selfish and self-absorbed as can be. The fact that your father threatened you with a baseball bat makes me laugh. At his ignorance. I think having a glass of wine and not going to church all the time is quite tame compared to this sh*t! Some Christian he is. God must be proud. :roll:

Don't feel bad that these people aren't talking to you. It sounds like you'll do much better to stay away from them. It doesn't seem like you're like them and you can thank God for that! It will get easier, but concentrate on yourself and your wife and children. They need you more than the rest of them.

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2004, 06:32:44 PM »
I was just grieving and he offered to help me get through the grieving part If I needed it.

I've spent so many nights trying to figure out what happened, I feel very angry that I lived so clueless for so long. I tended to  defend their very bad behavior to my wife. I couldn't understand her point of view for so long. I'm amazed she put up with me and them for so long.  

As several of you could tell, my parents are very dogmatic, conservative Baptists. My father is a minister. My mother is a typical church lady. In the past I got upset with them because they treated my wifé's family badly when they attended church with us. (On very rare occasions - very brave of them in hindsight. )  Finally when confronted about her bad behavior towards my in-laws, my mother said they "could all go to hell!"  This coming from a minister's wife who life I thought was in service to God and others.

When we moved back to town we started getting prank phone calls. We could hear no one on the other side. They came at all times of the day or night. We changed our phone number  - it was supposed to be unlisted - until the calls started again and we found out that the phone company had made a mistake. The calls were untraceable - we had contacted the police and sued to get our phone records. We suspected my mother was behind this.  (I guess the phone calls right before church services started ( to see if we were going somewhere - were the biggest clue ) Eventually we got fed up and my wife with my blessing, sent them a desist letter stating that we suspected them of the prank calls and that they were to stop it and that she was setting up boundaries and if they crossed them she would seek legal action. ( She works for an attorney)
Well the phones calls stopped overnight! I was shocked again. My mother ? I thought she cared about me deep down! Why would she torture her son and her grandchildren??   I was very angry.  Eventually the calls started again and we changed our number to an unlisted number again.  Finally no more calls.

Why was I so blind all these years? I was a good son and I kick myself for not raising hell when I was younger. I should have had more fun, I was so responsible, I was so boring, I was so afraid to dissapoint them. Now look where I'm at. They don't even care. What a waste of my life.  I can't even go to church anymore because I see the phoniness of the pastors. I see them as manipulative and controlling - wanting to üse" our family in some way. I have a hard time wth "church ladies" acting all  nice, concerned, caring,  but knowing they will stab you in the back and twist  the knife with a grin on their face the first chance they get.

They say absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that is what happened to my parents. They are unaccountable to anyone but God for their actions. There are no boards, no committees , no bishops etc in their denomination. My dad is unchallanged by anyone.  He has some power over his congregants and will eventually "get rid" of any who challange him.

I'm sorry for my novels. I'm still smarting after all these months. I am seeking answers I guess - does anyone out ther feel angry or  remorse for wasting their years not having more fun? - more wild times, for not getting fed up sooner. for not getting a "voice" sooner?  
For allowing their wife and children be made to feel inferior, or used, and  manipulated.

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2004, 06:36:06 PM »
the previous post was by mrtraced. I'm still figuring out this post system.

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2004, 08:30:32 PM »
Welcome, MrTraced:

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Now look where I'm at. They don't even care. What a waste of my life.



The fact that they appear not to care does NOT make your life a waste; not by a long shot.

You are raising a family about which you obviously care very much, and they for you...that's a lot.

It's important for us to untwist some of our distorted thoughts about ourselves that are created by interactions with our N parents.

Welcome to the board.  Regards, Peanut

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2004, 01:24:41 AM »
Thanks everyone for your empathy and kind concern.  Knowing that I'm not alone and that others have dealt with N people is very reassuring that I haven't over-reacted or that I'm not crazy for feeling extreme frustration and anger in dealing with my N parents.

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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2004, 02:44:26 AM »
Hey MrTraced,
Just so you don't feel too alone, here's my two cents worth for you.  I have not had any contact with my Nparents for almost two years now....they, like you ,blamed everything on my wife at the time..and have systematically attempted to destroy my life since then.
I work late almost every night, getting home around 2345..Before they moved away we lived side by side and my N mother set out to seriously harrass my ex-wife..she would use a flashlight and shine it through our bedroom window, from a distance of course, but in an attempt to make our dogs bark...she would walk to our windows at night just to "spy" and harrass, make noise, open and close her garage door, you name it she did it :!:  :roll:
When she saw my car lights ,as I was pulling up to the house, my Nmother would rush to bed, turn off the lights, and it would appear that all was quiet..naturally in her ( my N mother's) twisted little mind, I was supposed to think my ex-wife was paranoid and "crazy" if she told me anything..She ,( my N mother), expected I would automatically think and say to my wife, " NO!, mommy would never do that to you!" and that my reactions would fall in line with her expectations/presumptions because of the "training" I had received from both my N parents since childhood!  It didn't work!  

I had by then read up on Ns and how they crave attention at any price.  I decided to sever links and implement a strict "no contact" policy..which included my ignoring them all the time..I basically lived my life as if they were not there.  You see, the N has an incredible sense of entitlement.  That's what frustrates me the most about N behaviour.  They figure they have the right to do anything to their targets (aka sources of supply).  But I encourage you to continue ignoring them ...which you seem to be doing..this is by far the best protection you can offer yourself and your family!  
If you're an ACON, you've received plenty of training which probably has brought you back in line in the past.  I can fully understand your grief and grieving of a sane family life.  
You know, North Americans have a very strange view of the family and family life..it is almost a taboo subject, full of expectations.  It can be frustrating at times to deal with when you're an ACON because to others you might seem to constantly be bursting the "happy family bubble"  and the "perfect family myth".  Hang in there...some families like yours and mine are just simply unhealthy..and the only remedy is to get away and stay away.
It was my N mother's birthday on the 17th, and I was down on the evening of the 16th because I was grieving the "good times" ( which are few and far between mind you :roll: , but , fairly speaking here, there were some good moments to which I have hung on to..illusions really!) and feeling somewhat guilty and ashamed for not having any contact with her...this carried on until the morning of the 17th, when my ex-wife informed me that we had received yet another threatening letter from their ( my N parents') sollicitor!  I felt both stupid and proud of myself for sticking to my guns and not sending a card or worse flowers :shock:  to her.  Obviously, her present to herself was to take sadistic pleasure in the fact that I would be reading yet another diatribe that would cause me grief!  Oi!

I agree with the poster who says it's very difficult to live with this "for a lifetime" because, if you look back , you'll remember ( as I do) countless times when your N parents manipulated, ridiculed, and trampled you.

About having fun and regretting not having had enough when you were younger..well, i have felt that way too! It was refreshing to read this from you and made me feel less alone in my quest to reconstruct myself.  I do think of all the times I could have been having fun and just plain nasty  :P  and stopped myself because I wasn't aware I had a life..that's just par for the course when you're an ACON.  Don't allow yourself to have too many regrets that way, it's just not worth it and is a perpetuation of the programming received by those two twits!

I repressed many feelings, missed out on many opportunities..I was the good son too, until they decided I wasn't anymore.  Like you, i have had a taste of textbook narcissistic rage over the past almost two years.  

There has to be some humour in it though..don't you think?  These Ns are self destructive and sooner or later their lies catch up to them.  My N dad is particularly funny in this respect because I sometimes run into him at the supermarket..he approaches me and calls out my childhood nickname and has a pitiful hurt face on..I recognize that look from childhood, it is faux hurt and now i'm interpreting his pout for what it is...it's his " let me see if I can still get to you by using guilt look", alternately it becomes his "let's make a deal face" and with the eyes he has,I see the sadism of him saying to me: " do you want more?...." abuse that is and another shitload of lies and manipulations.  
Until the last time I saw him, ( a few weeks ago) I just ignored him and walked past..but two weeks ago he approached me and tried the same routine..I looked at him ( remember this is in a packed supermarket!) and said point blank: " Oh, FFFF****ck off!"  It felt wonderful! :lol:  what a release :!: ...luckily the literature suggests that they need some of their own medicine at times..so I figured I was allowed to say the first thing that came to mind!  8)  
I also get a lot of satisfaction knowing he'll soon find out i'm gay and living with a partner.  I'm sure that'll warp his halo! :lol:
Anyway, that being said...being an ACON is very challenging..I shared with another ACON recently that I sometimes have the impression of having lived my life backwards. By this I mean:..very responsible, uptight, set in my ways, very judging, very puritan, very perfectionistic etc. at an early age, having skipped the "normal" age and stage of rebellion. Refreshingly, the older I get physically, the younger I get mentally..I think that's part of letting go and reclaiming my voice and identity.  Some days I allow myself to be 5, 10 or 15 years old.  I'm forty now and 90% free..it can only get better!
It can only get better for you and your family too! IF YOU STICK TO YOUR GUNS!
Best of luck to you and yours,
love Nic :D
All truth passes through 3 stages
First it is ridiculed, second, it is violently opposed,third,it is accepted as being self evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer

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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2004, 04:34:46 AM »
Thanks Nic!

I originally moved to this city to go to college and to get away from them. But they moved here the year I got married - to be close to their family. :wink:  ( To keep an eye on me)  
 
Recently I did see my parents one time driving by and I flipped them off! I couldn't believe I did that.

If I saw them at a supermarket - I don't know how I would respond. The thought of that makes me ill to this day.  I don't know if I would cuss them out ( unheard of in my family) or if I would grab something and beat the sh** of them or if I would revert to my old respectful self and endure (which would follow with intense self-loathing).  Lord help me when I do see them.

I did have some  rebellion after I got married & they moved to MY town. My wife never understood and I guess I never understood why I occasionally tried to annoy them - I guess to get back at them in my own way. - I guess I'm passive aggressive)   I grew my hair long once.( I told them  ( he was my pastor) that I was being "more christ-like")  :wink:  I got an earring. ( Job in the Bible received some as a gift) that pissed him off big time) I've always had a blond beard -which drove them nuts. (I think I kept my beard because I could see in myself - my father's face in the mirror when-ever I didn't have it. - They say Michael Jackson perhaps sees his father's face in the mirror and that is why he has butchered his face.)  I'm just not rich enough to get too much plastic surgery.    Maybe I still have some issues   :twisted:  

I use to want to tell them I was gay (i'm not) because this would be the kiss of death to their "business" and would embarrass the sh** out of them and this would ensure my immediate dismissal and be my freedom train. But my family is a gossip factory and I didn't want to confuse or hurt my wife, kids,in-laws, or my church members and  because it would have been front page news in our neck of the woods.
When they chose to attack me financially which unknowingly to them cut the last vestige of their control, this was the last straw and thus ensured a way out for me and my family. Free at last Free at last.
I gave them too many years. They are not getting any more.

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2004, 02:19:37 PM »
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Well the phones calls stopped overnight! I was shocked again. My mother ? I thought she cared about me deep down! Why would she torture her son and her grandchildren??   I was very angry.  Eventually the calls started again and we changed our number to an unlisted number again.  Finally no more calls.

 
mrtraced,

Your parents sound sociopathic. If you learned more about sociopaths, I think you'd be clearer on how to think about them. It gives you a way to understand their seriously deranged behavior. It isn't your fault that you didn't know the severity of the problem. Now you know.  And you can start living your own life, separate from them. Thank goodness!

Book recommendations: "The Mask of Sanity" by Hervey Cleckley and "Without Conscience" by Robert Hare.

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2004, 03:00:38 PM »
Mrtraced --

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Free at last Free at last.
I gave them too many years. They are not getting any more.

     
Amen to that!


Nic --

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Anyway, that being said...being an ACON is very challenging..I shared with another ACON recently that I sometimes have the impression of having lived my life backwards. By this I mean:..very responsible, uptight, set in my ways, very judging, very puritan, very perfectionistic etc. at an early age, having skipped the "normal" age and stage of rebellion. Refreshingly, the older I get physically, the younger I get mentally..I think that's part of letting go and reclaiming my voice and identity. Some days I allow myself to be 5, 10 or 15 years old. I'm forty now and 90% free..it can only get better!


I have never seen anyone describe being an ACON this way and it is right on the mark. I'm still working on reclaiming my voice and getting younger mentally, but I look back on my early years and see Miss Prim -- I'm much looser and less uptight now, and boy, is it a relief!

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2004, 04:43:44 PM »
I sometimes have the impression of having lived my life backwards ( Nic )

think it was Kierkegard who said 'life must be lived forwards, but understood backwards'....