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Epidemic Nice-ness
« on: August 08, 2007, 07:46:23 PM »
From http://www.getreadyforlove.com/nicepeople.htm

An Epidemic of Nice People
by James Rapson, M.S., LMFT
co-author, Anxious To Please

Imagine a condition that affects a huge portion of the population, a condition that causes severe anxiety and depression, cripples self-esteem, and undermines and destroys marriages. The people described here are not drug addicts, schizophrenics,
or U.S. Senators. They're Nice People.
Lots of people are nice. We live in a world that encourages niceness, even enforces it. A person needs to know how to follow rules, play well with others, and rub folks the right way in order to succeed.

But those who are chronically nice - Nice People - go further than this. They can't quite help themselves. They are nice whether it's called for or not. They are nice when being ignored or even insulted. They are nice when they want someone (okay, everyone) to like them. They navigate their world by accommodating and acquiescing, by obsessing about what other people are thinking of them.

Meet Joe, a successful game designer, and his wife, Sally. Joe hints to Sally he would like to get away with his buddy Carl for a weekend of fly-fishing.  She says it would be great for him to do that, though the next three weekends are not convenient because of Angela's soccer matches, and she doesn't want him to schedule anything for later in the summer.

Joe is frustrated and resentful, but doesn't acknowledge this to himself and acts agreeably toward her. On Friday, Sally informs him that her two best friends have invited her to go camping, and that it's really important for her to go. Joe helps her pack, and kisses her goodbye.

Three days after Sally returns, Joe mentions that he too wants to get his weekend away. Sally asks him why he doesn't just do it?  She says she is tired of his wimpiness and wishes he would take charge of his own life. Joe apologizes for not being more assertive. Joe is a Nice Guy.

Joe feels confused and emasculated because he doesn't know how to get the love and respect he needs from his wife. Sally is similarly frustrated, wishing Joe knew how to advocate for himself and not wilt in her presence. But now, they are both feeling the need for Joe to locate his sense of self in a way that neither can quite conceive.

Features of Chronic Niceness can be seen in a number of conditions that are familiar topics of talk shows and self-help magazines: codependency, obsessive/compulsive disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, relationship/sex addiction, and so on.  The category of "Chronically Nice" would include such symptoms as:

a.    Apologize frequently, or for things they are not responsible for

b.    Often don't know what they want

c.    Have difficulty sustaining the erotic vitality of romantic relationships

d.    Take what is given instead of asking for what they want

e.    Are often preoccupied with what other people think of them

f.     Their emotional state mirrors their partner's (if the partner isn't happy, they aren't happy)

g.    Are almost always in a state of unsatisfied longing

Conventional approaches to Chronic Niceness have focused on the  development of assertiveness skills and techniques, such as saying "no," learning how to argue,  initiating in the bedroom, etc. And while these techniques can indeed be useful, they stop short of addressing the underlying force that drives the relational behavior of Nice People: anxiety. 

Nice People carry within them a deep-seated anxiety that undermines  their ability to stand up for themselves, to hold up their end in a conflict, to let  go of an unhealthy relationship, even to be able to know what they think or  feel. This anxiety reflects a foundational insecurity, one that has at least some origin in early childhood. Attachment theory gives us a name for this kind of insecurity: anxious attachment (also known as ambivalent or resistant attachment).

Anxiously attached children tend to be clingy, ingratiating, and very  difficult to comfort once they become upset. Anxiously attached adults are, well, Nice People. They are appeasing, overly concerned with what others think, and often are preoccupied with ideations of romantic ecstasy. Bottom line: the Nice Person is an anxious person.

The persistent anxiety of Nice People comes from a primitive fear that they will be unloved, unwanted, rejected, abandoned. Recent research shows that this anxiety may dwell not only in the psyche but also in the neurology of someone who is anxiously attached. As daunting as this may seem, it can be enormously useful to be aware of the influence of body chemistry and reinforced neural pathways - biological forces which perpetuate anxious thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. 

The Nice Person is also an angry person. But it is unlikely that the  Nice Person is aware of his or her anger, having spent a lifetime hiding it from themselves  and others. Nice People cannot bear the idea that they might be angry, aggressive, or vengeful because it would mean that they aren't nice.

This disowned anger usually manifests as passive-aggressive behavior, a ubiquitous feature of Nice Person relationships. This behavior arouses anger, resentment and often contempt from the partner, with the unintended result of reinforcing the Nice Person's fear of being rejected. Unconscious of their passive-aggression, the Nice Person feels victimized by the exchange and stores up more unexpressed anger and resentment.

People who are chronically nice can develop strength, serenity, and resilience.  As they transform themselves, they discover that their most important relationships begin to transform as well. Important areas for growth include:

a.    Learning to increase awareness of anxiety in thoughts, emotions, body and behavior

b.    Developing the internal space necessary to hold difficult emotions without reflexive action

c.    Practicing more skillful expression of buried anger

d.    Exploring the implications of chronic niceness as it affects relationships with family and partners

Regardless of background, age, or gender, each Nice Person who endeavors to transform their life must draw on one indispensable asset: compassion. The rejection that the Nice Person fears is occurring every day inside of themselves. They reject their own neediness, anger, and weakness; they hate their feelings of vulnerability and despair. By recognizing and embracing  these painfully conflicted emotions, the Nice Person is pioneering a path of discovery, uncovering the possibility of an abiding security in a place they had  never thought to look: within themselves.

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2007, 09:53:52 PM »
I heard a student radio station today advertising an upcoming hour's show.
It was titled: "Please Like Me, Okay?"

I thought that was wonderfully funny...(it's a rock show).

Hops
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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2007, 10:00:57 PM »
Hops,

heh.. that coulda been my byline for many years... nice - and repressed - and continully apologizing - OH, and my all time favorite,
constantly saying, "Aw, that's okay"  !
Genuine compassion is what turns that whole picture right side up  :)

Love,
Hope

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 08:41:18 PM »
Besee,

I hear you...I identified with Joe, as well. In fact, I've been Joe, for most of my life.
And I see Sally as a selfish brat who wants Joe to follow the rules while she makes them up as she goes along.
(blanks I filled in - Joe needs rules if anything's ever gonna get done at their house)
But I also see the manipulations behind the scenes, on Joe's part.
He's trying to buy Sally's cooperation, to change her, to earn that fly-fishing weekend - by being "nice" instead of being genuine and honest.
To me, they're both a couple of shallow players who need a wake-up call.

It appears that we're supposed to infer from the story that Sally is sincere in her claim that she's tired of Joe's wimpiness.
I know, seems like a stretch... unless you've filled in a whole lotta blanks in your imagination (which I now see I did).
See, I've been Joe, and I've also lived with a passive-aggressive wimp, so... wow, I sure did embellish behind the scenes.

Thanks for your insights!

Hope

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 10:17:17 PM »
Hope & Besee,
 Sally seems like a self centered b**ch, some ones gotta take care of the house while she's out having an affair.......camping my butt.......lol, :lol:,,sorry , Maybe it's just my hormones right now.. :x
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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 10:46:53 PM »
Uh huh. Yep yep.

I see Joe as the classic clueless enabler. His mommy was probably a beeyotch like Sally... and he still has no idea what the problem is. He definitely owns part of it, but nothing like as much as Sally does.
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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 03:06:31 AM »
I really liked the article; thank you so much for posting it.

I think `passive-aggressive' and `being too nice' probably shouldn't have been rolled into the one label though. There are some people who are really just very nice by nature, and other people who use `nice' as a tool to get what they want subversively, and who are not really very nice people at all.

The other thing I've noticed is that `legitimately nice' people seem to eventually grow and embrace assertive skills, because they are not afraid to get all their cards onto the table. They have good intentions and are happy to be open, with a bit of encouragment and experience.

`Passive aggressives' often resist assertiveness because their goals are aggressive and abusive. They don't want to `ask directly' for something, because the likely answer would be `no'. They prefer passive aggression as a tool to get what they want, because they can `appear nice' whilst behaving abusively.

I just wanted to draw the distinction, because I have found that so many `too nice' people are really wonderful people and tend to grow with time.

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 10:10:31 AM »
Hi, Bella,

You're welcome!
I hear what you're saying... and I agree that "too nice" is not always packaged together with what we may consider traditional passive-aggressive behavior.
But please note that passive aggression is not always acted out...
for instance, we're not told that Joe did anything in this little story to punish Sally, nonetheless he retains (and accumulates) passive aggression.

The whole point here to me is that the anger is passive, as opposed to active, and I also believe that it's cumulative... often resulting in disease.
 
So I think that if a person is not getting angry about being used by others, then that person is probably not "too nice"... unless he/she is so caught up in enabling that it's become a lifelong role. I don't really know anyone like that, though. "Too nice" always results in plenty of anger and resentments, from my experience with people. From what I've seen (and done!), that anger often results in a person playing a martyr/victim role.

And that's how it was for me, which is why I really identified with Joe.
I stored up the anger and continued to chalk up little gold stars on my internal scoresheet.
I don't think that I really acted out against those people for whom I'd accumulated resentment as they'd taken advantage of my "niceness".
What I did was to judge other people by my standard of niceness and find most other folks lacking... and that made me far from a genuinely wonderful person. It also continued to attract me to other "too nice" people who were actually just as boundary-less as I... as well as some really bad abusers.

It's hard to explain, but now I understand that the people I used to view as good and helpful, but less than completely caring (they didn't have as many gold stars as I), are just exactly the ones who were genuinely "nice", without being "too nice". I was too nice out of fear, not out of any real understanding of what it meant.

Anyhow, I don't feel that I was very genuine or wonderful then, but things are looking up considerably these days :) It's so good to feel real!

Thanks, Bella, for the opportunity to talk this through more thoroughly! I knew there was something here that I was missing, but couldn't quite express it.
Hope I haven't made you dizzy... lol. Hugs.

With love,
Hope

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 02:10:53 PM »
Hope,
This is so terrific...
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now I understand that the people I used to view as good and helpful, but less than completely caring (they didn't have as many gold stars as I), are just exactly the ones who were genuinely "nice", without being "too nice". I was too nice out of fear, not out of any real understanding of what it meant.

What a BIGGIE. I wish you'd come give a lecture to some magnolias I know... :)

And you are genuine and wonderful--you're just becoming moreso.

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 09:01:04 PM »
lol.. Hops... the lecture circuit, eh?  The magnolias are blooming?

(((((((Hops))))))) Thank you for your sincere compliment... I gratefully accept!

I like you too, Ms. Wonderful... you are just the right amount of nice and... I must say, it's a pleasure growing up with you  :)

Much love,
Hope

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Re: Epidemic Nice-ness
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2007, 03:35:27 PM »
Hi, Bella,

You're welcome!
I hear what you're saying... and I agree that "too nice" is not always packaged together with what we may consider traditional passive-aggressive behavior.
But please note that passive aggression is not always acted out...
for instance, we're not told that Joe did anything in this little story to punish Sally, nonetheless he retains (and accumulates) passive aggression.

The whole point here to me is that the anger is passive, as opposed to active, and I also believe that it's cumulative... often resulting in disease.
 
So I think that if a person is not getting angry about being used by others, then that person is probably not "too nice"... unless he/she is so caught up in enabling that it's become a lifelong role. I don't really know anyone like that, though. "Too nice" always results in plenty of anger and resentments, from my experience with people. From what I've seen (and done!), that anger often results in a person playing a martyr/victim role.

And that's how it was for me, which is why I really identified with Joe.
I stored up the anger and continued to chalk up little gold stars on my internal scoresheet.
I don't think that I really acted out against those people for whom I'd accumulated resentment as they'd taken advantage of my "niceness".
What I did was to judge other people by my standard of niceness and find most other folks lacking... and that made me far from a genuinely wonderful person. It also continued to attract me to other "too nice" people who were actually just as boundary-less as I... as well as some really bad abusers.

It's hard to explain, but now I understand that the people I used to view as good and helpful, but less than completely caring (they didn't have as many gold stars as I), are just exactly the ones who were genuinely "nice", without being "too nice". I was too nice out of fear, not out of any real understanding of what it meant.

Anyhow, I don't feel that I was very genuine or wonderful then, but things are looking up considerably these days :) It's so good to feel real!

Thanks, Bella, for the opportunity to talk this through more thoroughly! I knew there was something here that I was missing, but couldn't quite express it.
Hope I haven't made you dizzy... lol. Hugs.

With love,
Hope


. Thankyou so much for replying, Hope. I'm really enjoying the opportunity to chat about this with you.

Something that I wonder about, after reading your post, is whether or not all people necessarily get angry at the same things? And is harboured `anger' pre-destined because someone is nice by nature? For example, is it possible that `giving' may feel like `being used' to one person, and they would harbor resentment because they `gave' , but for another person it could be a legitimate source of joy or have some other payoff?

I am probably more like Joe than sally, but I think where I differ to him is that I have a strong sense of `ownership' over my decisions,  so I do not hold others accountable for my `niceness' or giving too much (which i do sometimes, in some ways).  I also differ to Joe in that if I didn't think it was fair of my partner to go camping, I would still regard it as my responsibility if I lacked the skills or confidence to say so.

When it comes to negotiating my needs, I know I lack confidence in some areas such as negotiating a good salary in the workforce. And yet, I do not feel that I should blame anyone for this. Its just something I need to work on.

Does that sound kind of suppressed? I hope not, lol

X Bella