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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2007, 10:39:21 AM »
Ok.  Enough with giving a voice to the pain.  Been there (too long)......done that (too many times).  Pain is enevitable but suffering is optional.  My new commitment!!

This is my best solution.....

1.  I need to rely on the Savior more in my life.  I need to make Him the center.  Not just someone to involve at the time of crisis. ( That is a hard thing to  admit.  But it is the truth about me right now.)  I need to build this testimony so I don't walk alone.

2.  I need to serve more.  I need to get into the lives of others.  Loosing my life for His sake -- then I will find it.

3.  I need to pray for and seek out friends.  Open myself up.  Not let fear get the best of me.  I need to meet people -- lots and lots of different people.

4.  I need to do more work rewriting the tapes...........I need to stop playing them until the rewriting has taken hold.

5.  I need to find an area of self expression.  I need to find this soon.

6.  I need to love myself without conditions or compulsory means.  (this means permission, self care, and just plain old doing it)

7.  I need to make peace with my enemies.

8.  I need to forgive myself for my weaknesses.  Everybody has them, right?  Christ takes care of the sin part, and the human part is there to help me grow.  So      it is all good!!  Right????

9.  I need to build my confidence.  I don't know exactly how to do that.



 
If I have taught people how to treat me, how do I change that?  Has anyone had success with that?

If I could banish the shame voice, erect and strengthen internal boundaries, and love myself without needing the outside world (Relying upon God and not the arm of the flesh), then could I stand tall and sit fat in love.......??????  I don't know.  I will tell you when I get there!!!

I don't want to be deminished by my experience!  I want it all to make me better, kinder, more loving, understanding, etc.  That feels like Gods work too.  To turn it all for good.





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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2007, 10:52:18 AM »
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Do you all tell me to keep sharing because you think I haven't shared enough?  Cause it feels like I have posting like a mad woman.  Am I not being honest or fearless enough?????  Maybe I am not sharing details from my childhood.  I know I haven't done that and I am not sure I will.    But I do share feelings that I know have been there and I do share my weakness and strugglings and blindness.   Could you clarify what exactly you think I am missing?

Pops, I don't think we can find that ideal self-love, because we aren't perfect.  We aren't going to love ourselves all the time.  There are going to be times when we feel low, feel pitiful, unlovable, and worthless.  That's human.  In our situations, we've been made to feel this way more often than we should.  It's very different when you are told or treated as worthless almost all the time.  You learn to crave those rare moments when your N said or did something almost nice.  My mom would do that.  She would do things when she got to feeling guilty and I would think things were going to change, but they never did.  They might for a few days, but then it was back to the same pattern, the same feeling of being worthless.

I think you are doing wonderfully.  It's hard work, isn't it?  It's very hard to be able to look at ourselves honestly and carefully and say, "hey, I have all of these good qualities, why did no one ever notice my good qualities."  My T made me make a list of things I liked about myself and things I didn't like.  The didn't like list was much longer than the other, but I did have some on the like list.  And we talked about those things on the other list, how many of them weren't true.  Namely that I wasn't selfish, cold and unpassionate.  Those were the top two things on the list.  I think it's a valuable exercise.  I didn't like it.  I hated it in fact, but I have to admit, when I was forced to look at that list of negatives, really look at it honestly, many of those things weren't negatives at all.  One of them was that I give in too easily to M.  I don't discipline enough.  I've been thinking about that concept of discipline, thinking about what that really means.  It's not about punishment.  It's not about getting in trouble.  It's about training our minds and bodies to do what they need to do, that's the sort of discipline M needs, and he's not going to get that by taking away TV privileges for not cleaning his room.  When I think about all of the punishments I remember as a child, I remember being spanked for things that were very trivial.  I remember being slapped for not organizing my closet properly.  I remember enduring days of the silent treatment for voicing my frustrations in a private diary.  I never had privacy.  I was always afraid of messing up.  If this is the sort of discipline that I need to teach my child, then I want no part of it.  I despised it growing up, and I don't think M should grow up that way.  So, even though that was on my list of negatives, it's slowly moving onto the other side with the positives, "I'm trying to teach M a better way, so even though I get angry when he doesn't cooperate, it's mental discipline that I want to foster, not the sort that makes him afraid of me."

Does that make sense?

I don't think you have to share details from your childhood here.  I think you just have to accept the truths of your past and move on into a healthier present.  In a way, those of us with N parents are trapped by our pasts.  We're trying to please people who can never be happy, will never be happy with us.  Nothing we do will change that.  We can make all the sacrifices we want, but it's not going to change the fact that our Ns are just going to take that sacrifice for granted and ask for more.

I think you are doing an excellent job.  You are moving forward.  You are doing good things.  Fill your life with friends who are positive and with positive things.  Cherish the little things, the sweet moments, and the times when you feel really good.  I don't feel as good today as I did yesterday, but I can feel better tomorrow.

The last chapter I read in my book was about letting go of the past.  I highlighted some of the statements, but here are a few that I remember and some that I added.

They all start with just because . . .

Just because you are my parents, doesn't mean that I have to please you, give up my life for you, do what you say, or make you happy now that I'm an adult.  You are responsible for your feelings, not me.

Just because I feel down today, doesn't meant that I won't feel down tomorrow.

Just because you are my child doesn't mean that I have to live through you, sacrifice myself for you, and do everything for you.

Just because you are my boss doesn't mean that I have to do all the work you don't like, just because you don't want to do it.  I am capable of saying that I am unchallenged and want a change of work, and if you won't give it to me, then I can work elsewhere.

Just because my childhood was unhappy, doesn't mean my son's childhood has to be the same.

Just because my parents never took the time to play doesn't mean that I have to do the same.

Just because my family never learned to manage or save money doesn't meant that I have to continue the legacy.

Just because my parents say that my life is ruined, doesn't mean it's true.

Try this exercsie, Pops.  It's really freeing.  Just think about tall those things you want to change and write them down.  Write them down and look at them everyday.  Eventually, you'll start believing them.
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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2007, 12:11:20 PM »
Hi Poppy,

Hmmm.  I just posted an answer on the G28's thread about N's.  Maybe I should have posted it here?  It could go either place, I suppose, because these two threads kinda overlap. 

Anyway, my post is over there.  :shock:

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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2007, 12:19:25 PM »
CB,

I know my lack of wisdom is glaring! 8)  I hope someday I will be able to access and express that kind of wisdom.  Your comments fill in a lot of blanks.  The stuff I need and didn't know it.  (referring to your latest post on the other thread.  Could we copy and paste it over here?)

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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2007, 12:47:12 PM »
Dear Poppy,
   I was thinking of some things that might apply most to people who believe in the Bible. However,I was thinking that if we could even take one Scripture and really,really have it come true for us(in the heart),I think it would be enough to heal us.
  For example, if we could truly get it(in the heart) that God loved us so,so much that He suffered so horribly so that we could be with Him, then we could  be instantly healed of all our problems.
  I think that the core problem is the LOOOOONG 18 inches from the head to the heart. Just a thought.
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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2007, 12:47:51 PM »
Hi Poppy:

I sense that you are struggling and I hope that soon some of the burden of that struggle will ease.  I am not familiar with your personal situation but I do know that you have many friends here who value and respect and need you.  In reading your last post, though, a couple of thoughts came to mind.

First, you mentioned that your husband is working on not being self absorbed and that it will be awhile yet before things change in that regard.  Do you believe he is truly capable of that change or will he make only enough changes to get through the next "crisis" phase?  If he does happen to be one of those rare individuals who can be self-motivated enough to do a 180 change, will he then be that person you can see yourself spending the rest of your life with?  Will that "version" of him provide you what you are missing in your heart and soul?  In my view, now is the time for you to think a bit selfishly.  Easier said than done, I know, especially because you have children.

And on that topic...You mentioned that since your husband doesn't beat you or abuse you, you really have no reason to divorce him.  Of course, only you can make this significant decision.  But I would venture to say that your long-term unhappiness, your feelings of loneliness and lack of attention and value from him are very good reasons to consider your marital future.  Aren't you worthy of more?  Aren't you deserving of a partner who lets you know how loveable and valuable you are?  Isn't it right that you invest in a partner who will reciprocate and help you meet your needs and fill your heart with love and care and nurturing?  I would say you certainly are.

You also said you are worried that a divorce would change your children.  But in my humble opinion, they are already being changed...and shortchanged.  No matter how hard you work at providing a semblance of a happy, loving home, when one of their parents is so unhappy with the other, the children will know.  They will also learn to model that behavior in relationships they have later life.  The best thing parents can do for their children is to have a loving relationship with each other and model that for their children.  Children want to see their parents happy, both of them.  Yes, separation or divorce would be very hard on them, but so is living in an environment where their parents aren't happy.  And the way you describe your circumstances, you have every right to be unhappy.  You are not being treated as you deserve.

What kind of person would YOU be in a different environment, either with a different partner or by yourself with your kids living a different kind of life?  Would your children witness a mom with more joy, more hope, more love for herself and others?  Would that be worth the heartache of going through a major life change?  

If all of this is too significant to ponder, perhaps you can consider just one small change for yourself.  I soooo identified with what you said in your post about the loneliness and rejection.  That has been my lifelong experience.  I have never had anyone take interest in me and have certainly been rejected a lot.  Even though I have always been a very giving, loyal friend, that has never been returned to me.  If your situation is the same, how about choosing one, single thing to do for yourself and make that a priority for you.  Perhaps take a class you ever wanted.  Learn a new language.  Take a short trip to someplace you've always wanted.  Plan a regular activity with your kids that you too would enjoy that gets you away for awhile.  Join a health club and get regular massages.  Anything.  It doesn't matter what it is.  All that matters is that the only motivation for the activity is YOU.  Maybe you'll meet new people along the way.  Maybe you won't.  But at least it will change your daily routine and put you on a path where you can once again see that hope and change is possible.  Indulge in yourself.  Be a little bit selfish.  Get a makeover.  A real one.  Make a concerted effort to keep those selifish "friends" out of your life.  

Give those people you continue to give and give and give to over and over, a chance to miss you, to value you, to appreciate you.  Sometimes when you're a person who continually gives and thinks of others, you are easily taken advantage of.  Others assume you will always be there, no matter what they dish out  Don't make it so easy for them.  Instead, refocus on yourself.  As much as is feasible and don't waste one single second feeling guilty about it.    Your mental and physcial health depends on it.

Finally, remember your emotional and psychological health is just as important as your physical one.  Just because a partner isn't a drug addict or alcoholic or doesn't beat you, doesn't mean he is good for you.  This is your life so you need to do what is best for you, in the short run and the long run.  When you do make those decisions, your children will ultimately benefit as well.  Remaining in an unhappy situation for the sake of your children really doesn't help them or you.  But if they can see a mom who pursues her own interests, who is happy and hopeful and joyful, that positive energy will spread all around.  It may be that these smaller changes will be enough.  It might serve as a springboard for your husband to change.  It might change your daily life enough to allow you to make some other major changes regarding your marriage.  Or, it just might give you a little happiness that didn't exist before.  

Regardless, I really hope you can discover people who let you know how valuable and wonderful you are.  Eveyrone deserves and needs that.  I hope you can find people who are worthy of your care and attention.  

Until then, there are many people who value you and I hope you will continue to share so everyone can remind you of that fact.

Take special care.

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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2007, 08:17:04 PM »
Dear Poppyseed,

Hugs to you!!!. I know its so hard to face the big changes. I don't necessarily think divorce is the only solution open to you Pops. But I think being strong enough to face that possibility could be what you need to get taken seriously by your husband. Its more of a mental thing, where you can say `look, this is too important to me, and if I don't get it I will move on'. Asserting that sort of boundary only works if you are prepared to follow through, and so facing your fears can be so useful, and it may not result in them being realized.

My opinion is that the two of you have hope, but not as long he stays enmeshed with his family. It brings out the worst in him Pops, but you seem to sense there is potential, or you have seen it in him. The only real solution I can think of, Poppyseed, is relocating (far away). I think to make that happen, you'd have to plan it, like an exciting  project, and be prepared to do it alone, whilst also inviting him to be part of that plan (if you want him to be)

My mother had to do this, Poppyseed, so I have seen it work. She married a Greek Man when she had three toddlers, and he was so enmeshed with his family. Greeks are domineering people, and this family were very ethnocentric. The hope was for the sons to live at home with their wives (who they picked themselves), and be intimately involved with the parents forever. 2 of his brothers did this, and still lvie at home, unmarried, in their 70's.

Back in those days, they preferred arranged marriages, too, so they did not approve of the marriage at all and interfered all the time. Some of the behavior was so deliberately rude and alienating for my mother. As a child i remember so many fights. My mother was fiery, and Dad was also fiery when pushed to his limits. I remember one time when he smashed every picture, along with glass frames, in the house. I expect it had something to do with keeping pictures of his ex (Greek) wife around the place because his parents wouldn't `let' him take them down.

Anyway, after around 8 years of it, she was at the end of her tether and my mother decided to move back to her home town with us. She had so much resolve, and my father must have known she meant it too. But in the end he agreed.

When they moved, they started a small accommodation business together in town which boomed in the 80's. After 15 years of running it, they sold it for many millions of dollars and retired in their forties. So in a way it was a happy ending, lol. ) except for the part where my mother was a somatic N went nuts, buts that s another story:)

Anyway i hope I kind got across what i trying to say; you only have to decide what you want, and face your fears. You may not have to go through a divorce, poppyseed.

Love and Hugs t you

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2007, 08:53:40 PM »
Dear Ami,

Yes, thats what I mean:) You worded it so well!

I think it is important in any relationship to be prepared to live with the consequences of asserting one's needs, and that is SO hard when it means facing fear of abandonment or loss, or the practical difficulties of separation. Asserting oneself  (and meaning it) could result in having to be the one who ends of the relationship, but oddly it so often doesn't. I think it may be because the fear of being assertive itself clouds things, and is bigger than reality (because we were programmed to believe there would be such totally harsh consequences each time we were assertive). It can be helpful to remember that the men in our lives are attached to us too; they are not our parents.

I am so proud of what you've learned, Ami.

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Re: Loving myself without Affirmation from the outside
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2007, 08:59:07 PM »
Thanks Bella.I am glad that you are there tonight.I feel really lonely and having you out there helps. I am going to make a cup of cocoa. I don't feel so alone.
  Sorry for the hijack. Back to the original topic---                                        Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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