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Re: running away
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2007, 06:04:22 AM »
Hops, that gave me chills.... what a nice visual. 

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Re: running away
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2007, 06:32:50 AM »
Obviously all of you guys, are at a superior stage of development, upper level. I am just starting to descover what is going on. So, the compassion for my slef I compare it with pity parties, I cannt sya poor me poor me because that makes me feel worse. I want to kick ass, to be strong, to fight the bullies. If I say poor me I wont do well.
Hop, am I misreading? For the first time I feel that I do not understand you my friends.
Nurture my self, is that going in the mirror and say how wonderful I am?
Maybe saying that I am a good teacher, a deam good eacher a hell of a good teacher, and nobody ever says anything about that. I work hard for my students, my students learn, I do not play games with them I mean psychological games, my grading system is transparent, they see their exams thei share so they know I am not being unfair, still I get so much crtiizism and they almost got rid of me.
I am never going to be appreciated in that school or in any school. Kids do not appreciate anybody, not even their parents.
So, just to know that I am a good teacher should be enough. I know. I am good. I do not need to be told that I am good, I know it.
Information that you already know you do not need to ne told about it.
I am not an abandoned baby. Life sucks.

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Re: running away
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2007, 07:14:38 AM »
Hey Lupita:

Hops wants you to have empathy for yourself, not pity.  Big difference.

She wants you to support yourself the same way you would support her or me or Iphi if you saw us in this same scenario. 

I'm curiouse.... what would you suggest to me if I was in your shoes?

What advice would you give Lighter?

You believe I'm worthy of decent treatment, yes?

What would you tell me if I went into a depression bc someones was attacking me..... and I was so tired I believed I deserved it?

How would you feel about my situation.... how I should handle it?

You might get a little angry that I was being attacked and it upset me so much..... you might know that I did nothing to deserve bad treatment and so should not accept it. 

The same is true for yourself.

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Re: running away
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2007, 11:09:10 AM »
Lupita,

Forgive me, but I can't remember if you have kids or not.  Anyway, I do and this morning as I read this thread I was thinking of something that my kids do when they want me to listen to them.  If I am focused on something an not looking at them, they will sometimes put their hands gently on my face and turn my face to them and their need.  I think about this a lot when I find myself "stuck" in an unhealthy pattern.  I try to turn my head away from all of my unproductive work and focus on the thing of better importance -- recovery behaviors. 

I like what lighter said....... " we want to make changes.... we stop doing all the things we were doing.... and do something different".

Maybe it doesn't matter what we do choose to do instead, just as long as it is different from the old stuff that we know doesn't work.  I have made a list of all the thinking patterns I use that don't work (IE.  Seeking approval, ruminmating, all or nothing thinking, victim thinking, feeling unnecessary guilt and over responsibility, fear, believing lies, etc.  Sadly, I could go on and on  :?)  I have decided that I will send up some alarm bell every time I catch myself engaging with one of these things.  Then I will make that head turning change to the something else.  Which for now sometimes, only entails some type of distraction like work or play or reading, coming to the board, etc.  Then I can distance myself from it.  Create space and calm nothingness that can give place for the new and better methods to develop. And sometimes when I am feeling really strong and snazzy, then I apply correctly the healthy stuff.

This weekend I was so stuck in shame.  Couldn't get out.  Then my H said, " YOu give away all your power of happiness to everybody else in the world.  Stop it."  (he said it gently)  It woke me up.  And I decided he was right and I demanded my power back and I told myself I was awesome.  I don't spose I feel like a very awesome yet,  but I do feel like I got myself out of the ditch.  And today, I am choosing to stop feeling sorry for myself because the world isn't participating with my needs to feel loved and accepted.  And my world really isn't participating very well. I have lots of evidence there to distract me from what is really important for my recovery and growth.

I was building a small IKEA desk the other day for my kid's computer.  I was trying to use a hand screwdriver and the screws just would not go it.  I sat there determined to make it work.  My hand is hurting, my frustration is growing, and I was soon to be late for an other activities. Then I stopped dead in my tracks and said, "Bag this!"  And told my son to get the power drill.  We got the drill and the desk was built in a few minutes.  I think it is the same way with my thinking anyway.  I actually think that if I try harder or change myself or demand more or twist and turn and try to look in the mirror and chant that I can change the world's reactions to me. As if I can control the world.  Or as if the world has any inclination to keep me protected.......and even if it did, would I be any stronger if I was always buttressed and crutched by others????  Anyway...... if I would just get the drill, or in this case take the power and responsibility back and take steps myself, then I get where I want and need in more satisfying ways.  ( Just an after note:  I felt a sense of pride that I built that desk alone without any outside crutching help from anyone else. )

I think, Lupita, that somewhere in us is the innate ability to do this healthy things.  I think our lives have forced us to develop all these coping mechanisms to help us survive.  And help us they did.......but not anymore.  They side tracked us, covered us with delusions, and forced us into self imposed pain.  We don't need them anymore.  We can tap into those parts of us that are unknown or unseen to us right now.  These books and classes are in my opinion reminders and pointers to what is already within us.  We just need to wake it up. 

Power thought of the day:

Though this universe I own,
    I possess not a thing,
for I cannot know the unknown
    if to the known I cling.


(The Knight in Rusty Armor, Ch. 7)

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Re: running away
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2007, 01:15:49 PM »
Dear Lupita,
  I am just going to share about me. Compost what does not fit.I have always been an extrovert.I always had many friends. In fact, when I started  retreating,I always had friends who called and  wanted to  go out. That was not my problem and never was my problem. My problem was that I was "tormented" inside. The "outside" never fixed the "inside" for me- ever.I have had most of what people want in life and it did not fix the inside
  The "inside' for me is loving, honoring and respecting myself. WHEN I have that I could go out tomorrow and have a great social life. What good is a social  life if inside you are" running and hurting"?
  So, I am getting to the bottom of my torment.I have done it by facing the truth.I am at the last stage. As I face the lies from my M, I am seeing that there is a beautiful ,shiny treasure underneath it-- me.
 We ,all, are treasures when we are authentic.
  To me, this way makes sense.I think that when a person loves oneself , they want to go out and give to others. Then,it is not scary b/c we don't "need" others to define us.
   I was thinking back about you,Lupita, and bad boy. For me, boyfriends have always been a way to have s/one define me. It was a way to get comfort and nurturing. In a way, that was not bad. However,in a way,it was. If I need s/one to define me,it IS bad.
  So, for me ,it is all about fixing the inside . Then , the outside will be relatively  easy and pain free.(generally speaking).   
                                                       Love Ami
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: running away
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2007, 04:44:56 PM »
Dear Amber,
  I love those things.Share more if you have them.                             Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: running away
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2007, 05:14:52 PM »
OK. Thank you Hop, thank you everybody. I am feeling very bad.
Did I have a bad day? Am I exagerating? I feel bad.
Of six classes a day I had one bad. Sixth period where the librarian's son is. This kid does everything he can to disrupt and to provoke me. He cattractas attention to him self, he talks when I am addressing the class, etc. Today I asked him to stay after everybody was gone. I told him "you need to stop. I have talked to your mother several times and talked to you several times. The next step is to write you up. Can you promise that you are going to behave correctly tomorrow? " He said, OK in a very low voice, no remourse, he knows what he is doind. Then I said, do you think it is fair that you go home and tell your mother that you do not understand my English? He said I have not said that lately. Then I said, tomorrow you are going to be good because God is looking at you and he knows what you are doing. he left and he was smiling when he left. He is 15 maybe 16.
Do you think that he is ruining me in purpose? Do you think this is regular part of my work? Do you think I should feel so bad about that?
Why do I have so muhc fear? It is because I know the potential damage that his mother can do to me.
As CB says do not let this suck you up. These are the moments when I feel powerless. Dr. U was in my class for 20 minutes today. he has nothing else to do but being in my class. he had left me in peace all last week and suddenly he is back. 20 muntes sitting down by Mr. V's grand daughter. Dr. U is so retarded that he has no idea what is going on. I talk to the students in Spanish and trhey know what I am saying and he has no idea what is happening. I put CD program for audio and he has no idea and the students raise their hands to answer the questions and he has no idea.
Now, help me out here. Please. Whi this 16 year old boy is making me suffer so much? Why can he use his mother against me? Why do they want to get rid of a wonderful teacher like me?
There are other teachers there kids are in and out of thier class, playing nintendo games, doing nothing, they are not in trouble, nobody complains against them.
What am I doing wrong?
I just want to work in peace. Is that so impossible?
Am I feeling bad with out a reason?

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Re: running away
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2007, 05:42:39 PM »
I feel so desperate and so disgusted. I am afraid of the lies of  16 years old because of his mother. That woman is 400 lb. Extremely obese. That must make her feel bad. She is so narcissistic. She likes everybody to pay attention to her.
I avoid her every day.
How come after one entire week of peace, her son decides to misbehave in my class, and Dr. U comes to another class and stays 20 minutes. Was there any change that I am not aware? What happened?

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2007, 06:05:02 PM »
Dear Lupita,
  The kid feels like he can be rude to you. It would seem like the kid has been"told" that he can be rude to you. That is bad.
That is all you need-- a little brat like that.It is really the adult's fault , though.
  I think that you need  an "overhaul"of your power. That will take time. I guess that the best you can do with this situation is get so sick of it that it forces you to change so that you can ,hopefully, never get in to this type of thing again.
  Without a really good ally to help you and without your own power to fight back, the best thing you can do is try to get through until you can find a new job.
   I would use your desperation as "hitting a bottom". At least, you can have this be the last time that you let other people hurt you like they are doing,now.
  We all have different "bottoms" that spur us to change. I remember mine last year when I had almost totally given up. I had no hope. I was going down in to a "fantasy" land in my head b/c I had no idea how to help myself. God sent me s/one to help me and then the board.
  You can get better. Maybe this job can't be turned around with your current  "thinking patterns". I really think that it can. However,if it can't,let this be the last time that you ever, give your power away like this again. Compost what does not fit.
    Love    Ami

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Re: running away
« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2007, 05:35:26 AM »
I give points for good behavior at the end of the class. Yesterday I was upset and I forgot to give those points, in that class. So, today I am going early and prepare the points of yesterday and give them to them. But Guillermo will not get his points. When I give the poinst he will se that he did not get them. I go seat by seat to place the tokens in their hands. They get 2 for sittin on time as soon as the bel rings and having materials on desks. Good results. And fibe at the end of class for no interruptions or disruptions during class. Yesterday, Guillermo was the only one disrupting and calling other students and attracting attention to him self.
Also, they have to see that I am not the same, I am not afraid of them. They have to see that I am not afraid of them. I am not afriad of guileermo because his ugly fat narcissistic mother is a friend of Dr. U.
And today, if he disrupt my class, I will write him up, and I am going to talk to the assitnt principal today early.

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Re: running away
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2007, 08:35:35 AM »
Dear Lupita,
  You sound stronger. It is a good start. Write back and tell us what happened.   Love  Ami

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Re: running away
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2007, 10:32:03 AM »
Hi Lupita,
Thought control is so difficult when you're under so much stress.
Do you have a therapist or can you barter a nice meal delivered for a massage, etc?

What can you do in the evenings to comfort and calm yourself?
Do you have any personal rituals that lift your spirits and soothe you?
Do you have bedside reading that comforts you before sleep?

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Re: running away
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2007, 02:33:20 PM »
Dear Lupita,
  I was thinking like Amber(Shunned) was saying,also. Maybe part of the problems with the kids is just "kid annoyance" and not part of a bigger issue. Just a thought.                                   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2007, 02:47:59 PM »
Lupita,

I am kinda agreeing with hops.  Wondering if you have any vacation time coming up.  Maybe a good week vacation from the staff and students might give you a refresh and new perspective.

What about a weekend at a local but remote B&B?  Or a ski weekend in Colorado?  Or rent a cabin for a few days.  You could get away from everyone and everything. 

Love,
Poppy

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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2007, 02:54:54 PM »
Lupita, I've copied Dr Grossmans LIttle Voices article, which I think is so good and so relevant to what you and all of us are going through. 

Bill

Little Voices

(Prior version excerpted in a guest column at The Natural Child Project)

If parents do not enter a young child's world, but instead require him or her to enter theirs to make contact, the resulting damage can last a lifetime. In "Voicelessness: Narcissism," I presented one way adults react having experienced this scenario in childhood: they constantly try to re-inflate their leaky "self." However, different temperaments spawn different adjustments: some children, by their very nature, are incapable of aggressively seeking attention. If no one is entering their world, they unconsciously employ a different strategy. They diminish their voice, make as few demands as possible, and bend themselves like a pretzel to fit their parents world. 

To secure their place in the family, these children often become expert in intuiting their parents' feelings and moods and automatically responding in ways they deem helpful.  In effect, they become good parents to their own parents.

What happens when these children enter adulthood?  Depending on personality and history, there are different possibilities.   Here are two:

Some become gentle, sensitive, and non-assuming adults. They are also generous and caring, often volunteering for charitable organizations, animal shelters, and the like. Frequently they feel other people's pain as if it were their own, and are racked by guilt if they cannot somehow relieve this distress.  Many seem to tiptoe in and out of rooms.   Unfortunately these qualities also allow them to be used and abused by other people, for they are unable to stop giving without feeling they are bad or unworthy.  Having a secure "place"  and providing for others' emotional needs are inextricably woven together.  If they are not providing, they feel they are no longer part of anyone's world, and they have no value to anyone.  Their self-esteem is completely dependent upon responding to others needs.  In extreme cases, their "voicelessness" is so complete, so consuming, these "little voices" literally are silent for long periods of time.  This is not a form of passive aggressive behavior (as has often been suggested) or even a retreat from relationships.  Unless asked direct questions, they simply can't think of anything to say.  "What do you want?" (now, this week, this year, during your lifetime) is impossible for them to answer.  Early in their childhood they stopped wanting because no one paid any attention to their wishes.  Their place in life was to know what everyone else  wanted--this is the only place they felt comfortable and unthreatened. 

Other "little voices" ultimately become aware that they have sacrificed their independence, their "voice," in bending around others, and become negative and bitter.   They are exceptionally sensitive to what they perceive as the non-responsiveness of people around them--precisely because they compare their own generous nature to the words and actions of others.  Almost everyone comes up short.  As a result, they are viewed by others as "critical" and difficult to get along with.   They are easily slighted and prone to angry outbursts.  The theme of their anger is often:  look  what I've done for you, and look what I get back.  And yet they are trapped, because if they stop anticipating everyone's needs they feel invisible.   Sometimes, these "little voices" live with (or close to) their demanding and unappreciative parents until the parents die; they deeply resent siblings who managed to escape.    This is me and was also my M. 

"Little voices" are the polar opposites of narcissists.  The former relinquishes all "voice," while the latter gobbles it up.  When the two are matched in a relationship, the potential for physical and emotional abuse is high.  Domestic violence cases often involve "little voices" and "narcissists."   Yet, the under-entitlement of "little voices" and over-entitlement of narcissists are both methods of adapting to the same phenomenon:  childhood "voicelessness."   Interestingly,  the same voice-depriving family can produce "little voices" and "narcissists."  Why is this so?  Genetic factors probably play the biggest role.  Narcissism requires aggression, "little voice," passivity.  Birth order may also count: if one child strives aggressively for family resources, it is that much harder for the next in line to compete using a similar method. 

In this essay, I have talked about extreme cases of "little voice."  But in fact, many of the people who come to see me share, at least to some extent, the experience of "little voice."  They have unconsciously diminished their presence in order to find a niche in their family and a place in the world.  To be seen and heard, they feel they must take care of, or bend around, others.  Luckily, "little voices" can be helped.  The healing process requires a therapist who understands the historical roots of the problem and is capable of developing a client's "voice" through a genuine, empathic relationship.