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mighty mouse:
Hi All,

Since there are a couple of INFPs who've responded, I just wonder how my sister can talk about the Dali Lama and spirituality one minute and be on a Narcissisitc tear a moment later? This seems like such a dichotomy. It is indeed very confusing.

And that begs the question....can someone with NPD actually be truly spiritual? I mean she has tried to ruin the careers of several professors in various universities she's been at (she got kicked out of Harvard for her behavior). But she thinks she's the victim.

Just a couple of abstract thoughts to ponder.

And Seeker....I agree with you on old SAM. I've wondered about him because he's obviously made a cottage industry out of his NPD. But a few things he's said have resonated with me especially regarding my sis.

Mighty Mouse

Tokyojim:
My seriously NPD friend of 40 years very frequently talks about "spirituality" in the classic N manner, and I think it is probably very typical.

When he can get N supply directly from people, especially women, the talk about spirituality suddenly stops.  He even makes fun of it.  Then, when the N supply runs out and he feels isolated and depressed, spirituality is considered.  And it is a way, I believe, to feel superior in his own mind because he either says directly or infers that he has special spiritual insights that few people have.  And he also tells me that I am just on a spiritual path.  No matter what I am considering or doing, it is this "spiritual path."  With the spirituality, he now can be omnipotent, direct my life, and see how people around him are so empty and inferior.

In short, I think the N's spirituality is another tool for supply.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: mighty mouse ---...I just wonder how my sister can talk about the Dali Lama and spirituality one minute and be on a Narcissisitc tear a moment later? This seems like such a dichotomy. It is indeed very confusing.
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This is called "splitting." It's a psychological defense used by everyone. But when it's this extreme, it's a huge problem to interact with this person. It makes it nearly impossible.



--- Quote from: mighty mouse ---And that begs the question....can someone with NPD actually be truly spiritual? I mean she has tried to ruin the careers of several professors in various universities she's been at (she got kicked out of Harvard for her behavior). But she thinks she's the victim.
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Anyone who aggressively sets out to destroy another person is not spiritual.

bunny

Anonymous:
I agree that the spiritualism seems to be typical of Ns (not necessarily INFPs).  Used as a way to have superior knowledge of a higher power to wield over others.

I'm a non-religious INFP.  My mother, an ESTJ N, consults fortunetellers, astrologists and palm readers and believes she has been visited by the holy ghost.

mighty mouse:
Hi Bunny,

It's funny (ironic), but my sister would never describe herself as aggresive. And she doesn't think she's done anything to the people she has affected. She absolutely thinks she is the victim.

She has been at various times on an e-mail campaign that she can't seem to control (this is if you offend her.....actually if SHE perceives offense or if you try put boundries in place) and won't or can't control herself.

I guess this could either be NPD or BPD. Someone suggested I go to the BPDcentral and it does describe her very well. But one thing she does very well is try to shame people. She used this on a professor that is married when he tried to break her email campaign. He also thought she was suicidal and talked to her boss. She shamed the heck out of him and as far as I know he is still emeshed in an email relationship with her even though he has at times ask her to quit. I think he's afraid of her. But she thinks this guy is her great friend. I guess he's just another Nsupply for her. Poor guy.

If you asked her, she says her letters say how she is childlike, naive and needs to be protected. She thinks all these guys (one was her advisor)are in love with her and are going to ruin her career. And she's pleading with them to stop. Stop doing "what" she is never concrete about.

It is so interesting that she thinks she is so benign and kind hearted and spiritual. It just floors me. But I guess this is a case of someone lacking empathy.

And Tokyojim. Yes, she does think she's above the fray with her supposed spirituality. And sometimes she can be almost eloquent to the point where you think she is spiritual. And the INFP personality type is supposed to be very spiritual. There's just such a chasm between how she perceives herself and how she treats others. It's rather alarming. But she is extremely intelligent and somewhat functional in her peer group so she gets away with stuff.

Mighty Mouse

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