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Creativity and Depression
« on: November 07, 2007, 10:28:02 AM »
I know there have been a lot of studies done on this in the past.  I finally got treatment for my depression, and now it seems I'm experiencing a major case of writer's block.  I'm trying to tell myself it's the result of too much stress, but it almost seems like I do my best writing when I'm at a low not when I feel good or normal.  It's really frustrating.  It's like all my creativity has dried up. 

I don't want to feel bad just so I can write, but at the same time I hate not being able to create.  It's very frustrating.  When I open up things I've been working on, I can't seem to concentrate on them, or else I get bored and move on to something else.  I just don't hit the level where I can keep my mind on what I'm doing and keep a story moving forward.

Does anyone else notice a connection between depression and creativity or productivity?  I don't feel creative anymore, and I almost want the depression back just so I can feel creative again.  Or maybe I should just contact my mother, so that I have a lot of feelings that I need to put on paper.  It's not just that I can't get anything to come out, but that I can't think of anything new, anything that I feel like putting on paper.

I feel good, and I like feeling good.  But I don't want to sacrifice my creativity to feel good.
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2007, 10:51:24 AM »

I think that the idea that you have to be effed-up to preserve your creativity is a canard that traps a lot of people.  When I was in school I hung around with all creative types and encountered that idea a lot and I don't think it really worked for them, or for me.  My artist's buddy's most creative time of all was when she was pregnant and wildly happy.  Somehow is just got her going and she was massively productive.

It does seem there is scientific evidence that bi-polar is connected with creativity, but that doesn't mean that a bi-polar person must also, you know, suffer or go untreated in order to be creative.  You know?

It may be that because you are in brand new territory, your creativity is not feeling motivated and inspired by 'old stuff' that used to work, but you have not hit a new vein of richness yet that will inspire you.  Or maybe you have been doing so much outwardly right now that you haven't really had a chance to take a pause and just be and so open up the connection to inspiration and source that generates all the ideas and potentiality. 

Or there's always the compost pile if what I'm saying just doesn't hit the mark at all!
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2007, 11:03:10 AM »
Thanks Iphi, I don't necessarily think you have to be depressed to be creative.  I told my doctor I thought I'd been depressed all my life.  I can actually point out major depressive episodes in my life.  The one time I sought out treatment before, because I'd started scaring myself with thoughts of suicide and being unable to eat, I stopped going to the psychologist when he suggested I try anti-depressants.  When my stomach doctor wanted to put me on lose dose anti-depressants to control some of my symptoms, I wouldn't take them.  I'd heard that anti-depressants muck with creativity.

It isn't even so much that I don't feel creative, as much as I have NO INTEREST in writing at all.  None.  I read things I've written, and I have no interest in revising or writing something new.

I do seem to be my most productive when I have a low level depression going on, not a major episode. 

I'm considering just looking through submission calls and seeing if I can find something to get my creative juices going again. 

It's really frustrating that I can seem to get anything going, and I don't want to give up feeling good for my art.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2007, 11:56:34 AM »
tayana - take a moment and look back at where you have just been!  Finally out on your own, going NC, withstanding various manipulations and pushes and pulls, to court(!) for a huge issue, and just sent in manuscripts while you are at it, and not even one day of downtime and -wait a minute - are you 'on' yourself because you haven't been up all night tending the creative fire in addition to fighting the good fight during the day??

Girl!   :D

It sounds you haven't had much time.  However, I respect what you are saying about some consciousness states going with productivity.  I am resisting seeing it as a hard and fast connection instead of one of habit - what has worked before.  I'm thinking seasons - winter prepares the way for new growth in new ways and new connections....  I don't know... those ideas.

What kind of writing do you do?  What are submission calls?
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2007, 12:06:33 PM »
Iphi, I write fiction--romance, erotica and fantasy . . .

See, I could buy the stress thing, except writing was my stress relief.  I was actually more productive during all of that, because writing was my escape.  Now I just stare at the screen and can get a single sentence to come out.

Submission calls?  Looking for open anthologies and what have you for something to spark a creative idea.  The manuscripts I've sent out are things that I'd already had written, just hadn't submitted yet.

I have to see my doctor this afternoon.  I'm going to ask about the medication.  I've just been reading that apparently drying up creativity is a common side effect.

I had a roommate once who believed she HAD to be depressed to write.  I don't believe that, because I've been able to write happy, sad, etc.  I've just never experienced this total lack of desire.
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2007, 12:33:17 PM »
I am actually suffering the opposite way... I am depressed and don't want to do anything. I finally finished a painting yesterday, but it is more an act of getting through than enjoying anything. I also started knitting again a bit, but everything seems sluggish and uninspired. I need some passion!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2007, 12:37:16 PM »
Beth, I know that feeling.  I get that when I hit a real low.  I finished off a knitting project over the weekend, and that felt good.  It looked nice too.

Maybe it's just that for so long I couldn't enjoy anything, but the writing, and now that I'm starting to enjoy other things . . .

I don't know.  I don't like the feeling though.

I feel for you.  ((((hugs Beth)))
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2007, 12:40:10 PM »


Tayana,

Are you aware of this Writers website? 

Overall, thought it might be of interest to you, and also, there is an article on the very subject of your thread.

http://allkindsofwriting.blogspot.com/2005/12/depression-sensitivity-and-creative.html

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2007, 12:49:31 PM »
Leah, thanks!  Interesting link.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 01:07:26 PM »
Tay - being a writer also, I can relate to the block. Have you thought of writing about the block itself? Where in your body is it - try to locate the actual location physically? What color is it? What's its shape and size? Does it speak, and, if so, what would it say to you? Can you move it to another location in your body? And any other qualities of it you can think of.

This exercise is elementary, but it has helped me on numerous occasions. To see it, visualize it, hear it, feel it, and put all descriptions of down on paper. It's an exploration, which, for me, has led to new creations.

Just a thought.

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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 01:22:47 PM »
Dear Tay,
  I wrote you a long post earlier and it erased.It was "controversial""so I thought that maybe I would just let it go-- b/c I did not want to upset you when you had so much on your plate anyway. By reading ,now, I think that you could receive  a different opinion--so I will tell mine. I could be totally mistaken.
   I think that creativity is when a writer can take his internal landscape and make the reader feel things that bring the reader to a new perspective.
  You are changing your emotional landscape with medication. So, of course, your creativity would be altered.You,of course, have to weigh all the pro's and con's of medication for yourself.
However,to me "depression" is a symptom that s/thing is not right. I want to keep mining my emotions to get to the root of the depression, rather than take a medication to alleviate the symptom. That is just how I see it from working in and studying holistic health.(I do not want to be in the middle of a discussion defending my viewpoint. It is just mine and I am not desiring to start a discussion on it,please.)
  The creative  person is a "different" person in that he feels things and sees things in a unique way. Then, he brings his revelations to the reader.
   I would think that you would have a definite change in your thinking patterns and these are  the source of your creativity.
   I think that as you heal, on the board, you will be able to face the thoughts or feelings that are causing the depression. You will uproot the depression,in a 'natural" way and still maintain your creativity. Also, you will have gone through an internal journey that many great writers seem to go through. That is just my opinion. Compost what does not fit  .             Love   Ami
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 03:32:08 PM »
Hey Ami . . . you shouldn't have deleted your controversial post.  I like controversial.  My medication is actually for anxiety, and I haven't been having anxiety and panic attacks.  I just got back from the doctor.  I agreed to give it a couple more weeks, but I did express concern over the block.  The medication does help me, and I don't want the panic attacks back.

I'm hoping I don't need the medicine permanantly, and I don't think I will.  But I had to do something because the panic attacks had gotten quite crippling.  I didn't want to be around people.  I didn't want to do much of anything except hide out in my room.  I don't need that kind of anxiety.

It's supposed to help me sleep too, but that doesn't work.  And here I am drinking my caffeinated soda after I was just told no caffeine.  :?

Kate, I finally decided to just sit and force myself to work through my "play" novel.  It's not something I'm going to submit, just something that I spend a lot of time.  It's really a collection of vingettes, but it's almost 400 pages long.  There's no end in sight.  I'm just trying to see how long the sucker will get.  I managed to get almost 1200 words out and it was feeling pretty good.  It's possible that feeling good and what I've been working on just aren't compatible.  It might be time to do something totally off the wall again. 

Ami, I'm working on the other symptoms of depression with my T, so I'm trying to get to the root of it, and hopefully when I do, I don't need the medicine anymore.    I'm not a big fan of medicine.  I tend not to take it unless there's a real need, and I had a real need this time.

Although I probably should have skipped the gas station hot dog for lunch . . . something tells me that's not going to sit well on my stomach.
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2007, 04:15:52 PM »
Dear Tayana,

What an interesting post; thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on this!

Yes, I think learning new ways for coping with depression, as well as gaining psychological health generally, has totally changed my motivations for being creative , absolutely.

I used to be driven to create for its own sake, but now I tend to be  a bit more focussed with it, and concentrate on using my creative skills to make a living and to teach others in my fields. Those are by far my biggest sources of motivation right now and  bring me a much greater sense of  fullfillment than when i was in my twenties. I think down the track I'd also like to contribute to the evolution of music and 3D animation (two of my passions), but right now I'm happy with how things are going.

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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2007, 04:43:28 PM »
Dear  Tayana,
 I am glad that I can be honest  with you.( Sometimes people can get very offended with a differing viewpoint)In this case, you  and I don't really differ very much, though.                                                                                                                     .I would like to talk about "plain" depression, if I could.   I am really "noticing"  depression. I think that I used to medicate it by shopping, worrying , having my mother go round and round in my head(I guess you could call this obsessing), being "numb", caffeine ,food ,relationships  etc.
  Now, I feel it and see it. It is scary. It has the feeling that I could fall down in to a hole and stay there. However,today, when I really felt "oppressed", I wrote down my feelings. I asked my inner child ,"Why was I depressed?". I found out some amazing insights..
  I realized that I HAD to become nothing as a way of taking care of my M. She could NEVER feel badly. That was the number one rule in the house. She had to have her feelings catered to--in any way and in all ways. If I was 's/thing special" she would feel bad and maybe,jealous. So, I had to become" nothing 'as a way of making sure that she would never feel' less than". I  could never take the chance of outshining her and ,thus, making her feel bad. I had to simply sink to the lowest that I could in order not to threaten her.
   It was a huge insight.I felt better. Without you , on the board,I could not face these "new" feelings.Inside, I feel  panicky about how I feel and think. However, I see it as just "lies' about myself. I need to get to the bottom of them and then they will be harmless.For example, a lie could be that,"I am worthless." It is a lie b/c we  HAVE value. That is what I mean by lies. Another would be ,"I am only worth s/thing if other's approve of me.". That is another lie.
 As I look inside when I have a "bad' feeling like fear and depression, my inner child tells me 'why" I have these symptoms. .
  Thank you for being there. I took a little foray in to "regular" depression. Back to depression and creativity. Thanks Tayana .                         Love   Ami
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Re: Creativity and Depression
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 05:22:11 PM »
Bella, you're right.  I had the option of doing something else, and I told my doctor I would let it go for a few more weeks and see.  I think it's just an adjustment of "feelling good" versus feeling overwhelmed.  I know I used writing as an escape.  There were days I would sit and crank out thirty pages in a day because I needed the distraction.  It was almost like an addiction.  I couldn't wait to get back to what I was doing because it was an escape.  I think I've done a lot of that creating for creativity's sake.  Some of what I put on the page wasn't so good.

Amber, you might be right.  Maybe just having energy to do other things is eating up some of that creative energy.  Or else I'm just so exhausted at the end of the day that I collapse. 

Ami, one of things I started doing was really looking at why I felt "depressed."  It's such a catch all term, so I had to sit down and really think about what I was feeling.  I wasn't always feeling sad. Sometimes I was angry.  Sometimes I was sad.  Sometimes I felt guilty.  Sometimes, I felt numb.  I once told a counselor that I couldn't feel anything, and I think the truth is I felt things, but those feelings were all jumbled up and I didn't know what was what.  One of the things that I noticed as I started breaking "depression" down into how I was really feeling was that the depression itself wasn't the major issue.  It was the anxiety.  The depressive episodes started out with mounting anxiety.  As the anxiety built, the more depressed I felt.  So in addition to feeling sad, guilty, angry or whatever, I was very afraid.

I was afraid my mother would call.  Before NC I would go home at night and literally be on pins and needles until after the call.  I'd start cooking supper because I couldn't just go home and relax.  I had to do something.  And if she was coming to visit, then the panic I felt was even worse.  I felt that panic just as bad going to visit her.  I could just feel the panic start in my stomach, like a nervous feeling, and it would just spread outward.  My heart would race.  My  head would pound.  And it would culminate with me in tears.  I would break down over a math problem in homework.  I would get panicked if it was 9pm and M didn't have homework done and we still fighting about it.  I would start to feel overwhelmed if I was working on a project at work and got interrupted with something else.  My chest would get tight, and I would start to shake.  I'd go home at night and the house was a mess, the laundry not done, the grocery shopping wasn't done, M didn't want to eat what I fixed, homework had to get done, we had to go back to school for something, the dog had to go out, my mother called to yell at me for something, I couldn't get my work done at work.  I was tired.  I couldn't sleep.  And then something would snap and I'd sit in my floor crying, feeling like a failure because I couldn't do everything and nothing was working out.  I started to be afraid to answer my phone, even with caller ID.  I was afraid of coming to work.  I was afraid of the homework folder coming home.  I just had all of this irrational fear, and it was getting worse.

That was why I sought out some sort of intervention because I was doing all of those other things, trying to eat healthier, exercising, working on a positive outlook, rewriting tapes, and I was still feeling like crap.  I think that realizing that part of my depression was actually anxiety was a big help.  Definitely keep looking at your feelings and what you really feel.
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