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gabbenangel

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« on: November 13, 2007, 08:09:30 PM »


Here is a passage from the book by Alice Miller,  The Drama of the Gifted Child


Pg.36

With out therapy is it impossible for the grandiose person to
cut the link between admiration and love. He
seeks insatiably for admiration, of which he never gets
enough because admiration is not the same thing as love. It
is only a substitute gratification of the primary needs for
respect, understanding, and being taken seriously-needs
that have remained unconscious since early childhood.
Often a whole life is devoted to this substitute. As long as
the true need is not felt and understood, the struggle for
the symbol of love will continue. It is for this very reason
that an aging, world-famous photographer who had
received many international awards could say to an interviewer,
"I've never felt what I had done was good enough."
And he does not question why he has felt this way. Apparently,
it has never occurred to him that the depression he
reports could be related to his fusion with the demands of
his parents.
A patient once spoke of the feeling of always having to
walk on stilts. Is somebody who always has to walk on stilts
not bound to be constantly envious of those who can walk
on their own legs, even if they seem to him to be smaller
and more "ordinary" than he is himself? And is he not
bound to carry pent-up rage within himself, against those
who have made him afraid to walk without stilts? He could
also be envious of healthy people because they do not have
to make a constant effort to earn admiration
, and because
they do not have to do something in order to impress, one
way or the other, but are free to be "average."
The grandiose person is never really free; first, because
he is excessively dependent on admiration from others, and
second, because his self-respect is dependent on qualities,
functions, and achievements that can suddenly fail.

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 08:32:00 PM »
Dear Lise,
  When I was writing about how I felt at 14,I realized that I had this "average " quality, then. I was happy being "me" and did not have to be "stellar" in any way.
  I have gotten so lost since then and am just trying to find my way "home". Thank you for the Alice Miller quotes. She is wonderful.
                         Love to You  ,  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 08:53:32 PM »
This makes me think of my part-time job maintaining a website and doing the bookkeeping for a nonprofit organization.

The org'n kept growing and one year after I was working another gal was hired part-time to do a certain job. What she does is turned over to me.

At first she was paid less than I,  and then we each received raises, with her still being less. Her work was really growing and she was given 2 volunteers.

Then the Accounting, trial balance, month-end reports was taken away from me and outsourced as it was such a heavy load, and I was given another raise, in spite of less work.

Then the office gal was given a HELLVA big raise that bypassed me and I must really have changed because I felt no jealousy of her, rejection by my bosses (as I was doing less) or feelings of inadequacy.

When I broke my leg she brought my work to me instead of my having to go to the Office, and when I was settled, just recently into driving my car I gave her a little thank gift and she hugged me and all is well

I feel nice and average for handling all this as it transpired.


............... all this made me happy without any  bad feelings at all.

Izzy
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 06:09:31 AM »
 feel nice and average for handling all this as it transpired................ all this made me happy without any  bad feelings at all.

Izzy,

This really is a huge thing!  When I can do this (and I am able to do it more and more), I settle into such a peace.  It jangles me inside to struggle with situations like this.  I crave the peace that you have found here.

Iz, you are such an encouragement to me when you share things like this.  Thank you.

Love
CB

When they are older and telling their own children about their grandmother, they will be able to say that she stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way -- and it surely has not -- she adjusted her sails.  Elizabeth Edwards 2010

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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2007, 06:44:07 AM »

Dear Izzy,

Money cannot buy the much sought after feeling of inner peace, calm, and serenity - quite simply it's not for sale.  Priceless.

My feeling is that, you now have a wonderful serene relationship with yourself; you are confident in who you are,

and you believe in yourself.

Happy for you, truly.

Love, Leah
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2007, 12:55:01 PM »
Thank you CB and Leah,

I was just so amazed about this in me, that I had to find a place to post it.

In my younger years, I would be very distressed if someone received a raise and I didn't. I see the value in this other girl, so I am learning.

Love Izzy

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 02:21:12 AM »
Izzy,

HIYA, been a while since I posted.  Great to read your post.

I agree with Alice Millar but the other side of the story is that Ns only go to therapy when they are in collapse mode or else they are using it as another ploy to play at "look how hard I am trying to keep this relationship together"........... personally I think it is a waste of time and energy on everyones part.  Just my experience


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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2007, 11:02:47 PM »
Gabby- This post describes my genius brother. I love him, but he is lost in self-aggrandizement and the pain of our mother's desertion.

Ami- You may be many things, but not "average"- nothing wrong with average, but you are especially sensitive to others.

Izzy- You are so awesome. Is this the lady who helped you make the bed, etc.?- if so, I am truly grateful to her.

CB- Izzy is a great encouragement as you say, and so are you. I love to read your posts.

Leah- I love your spirituality and kindness.

Axa- I agree- I would hate to have to have Bagworm Therapy (YECCH)- NC is so much better. (((Axa)))

All these different people with different ways of seeing things- all wonderful , no drama queens , just beautiful people with great hearts.

Love,

Changing


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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 11:40:59 AM »

Thank you ((( Changing )))

Bless you, your kind words mean so much.

Love, happy tears Leah
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 12:14:47 PM »
"lost in self-aggrandizement and the pain of our mother's desertion."


Changing...I think you have clear eyes to see with.

I read each comment on each person and thought so kind and affirming to each person and so fitting a description.

I have been grappling with my intense needs to be seen, heard and acknowledged. I have own self-aggrandizing behaviour...when the pain of my inner child comes up it is as if my flaws begin to glare back at me through others...what I see in others is only a refection of me. I hope that my own self-aggrandizing behaviour is only a silver today compared to what it used to be...I beat myself up so hard for being selfish, intense, and emotional.

The following is something that I wrote the other day:

As a little baby I needed affirming and that IS what I
got, but what was affirmed was not that I was lovable
and good but rather a deep belief that I was and that
I am bad.

Why, because once I was a little bundle of big needs
and strong emotions; it was all that I could identify
myself with and it was more than my N mom could handle.

In the tenderness of my early childhood my needs were
rejected by the displeasure they caused my mom
therefore confirming the self-image that I must be
bad.  Then comes the rage that a little baby feels
when her needs don't get met, a rage that if expressed
causes a stronger reaction of displeasure from my mom.
 My rage got pushed down and lately is has been up, my
arms burn and my heart aches, we can't heal what we
can't feel.


Today, as an adult, when I don't get my needs met or
someone squishes me by belittlement, it pushes old
buttons (which I try not to react to) but instead I
stay with the process and feel my old hurt and anger.
I look to see how I am still acting out the drama of
my childhood, the unfulfilled wishes and needs to be
seen, to be heard and to be understood and to be
valued. 

As a baby and child I was voiceless and deep inside,
at times, my actions still scream from that place of
my murdered soul....


My nights have been dark, I have been reliving the
earliest years of my life, re-feeling the terror and
the loneliness I experienced as a baby.

I can't reach out for anything anymore (although I still do), not
relationships, not medications, not conforming,
food, or shopping and I can't act out (even
though I still do) Realistically, I
will be acting out and healing for the rest of my
life.

Today, I have to reach into my little girl, let her
rage and express all that was unexpressed and mourn
her losses all the while silently screaming and
reaching up to God to hear and to hold me. When I
become intense...others run for the hills, it is hard
to accept each other especially when we are in our
pain.
The one thing that allows me to get moving on
with my life is compassion. If I don't get it from
others than I give it to myself.

God's love and Mercy can reach into our deepest wounds and
heal us. All of this healing started for me last
Spring when I started looking again at my behaviors
and became willing to let go of some attachments. Some
of our wounds are deeper and different, but the
mourning is the same.

Lise