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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2007, 03:48:55 PM »
In one of th earlier posts on this thread, someone alluded to the "saintliness" of Ns.  UGH!  No, triple UGH!!!  I hate, hate, hate this aspect of the N's personality.  So often, the abuse and hurt and demean deliberately only to have some "rational" excuse for it (in their minds only).  They act the "martyr" who sacrifices everything for others when the truth is they are the most selfish and self-centered people on this earth.

I have both an Nmom and Nsis who play the "martyr" role to the hilt.  THey claim to be strong, long-suffering people who have to put up with sooo much from others.  They claim to sacrifice everything for the sake of others but in reality, all their actions come from a place of selfishness and wanting to APPEAR the martyr to others.

If you ask these Ns what their faults are, they can't come up with a single one since they think they are perfect.  Real saints and martyrs don't have a selfish bone in their bodies. 

So I tend to be sensitive to people who display "saintly" or "martyr" like behavior.  There's nothing good about a martyr and real, earth-bound saints don't need to talk about how saintly they are.  Their actions, always governed by the good it will do others, speak volumes.

Of course, it makes sense that Ns think of themselves as saints since they place themselves on a self-appointed throne, far above the ground where the rest of we mere mortals live.  Their holier-than-thou behavior can sometimes be overwhelming and at all times is meant as just another way to demean the value of everyone else around them.

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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2007, 04:08:31 PM »
In one of th earlier posts on this thread, someone alluded to the "saintliness" of Ns.  UGH!  No, triple UGH!!!  I hate, hate, hate this aspect of the N's personality.  So often, the abuse and hurt and demean deliberately only to have some "rational" excuse for it (in their minds only).  They act the "martyr" who sacrifices everything for others when the truth is they are the most selfish and self-centered people on this earth.

I have both an Nmom and Nsis who play the "martyr" role to the hilt.  THey claim to be strong, long-suffering people who have to put up with sooo much from others.  They claim to sacrifice everything for the sake of others but in reality, all their actions come from a place of selfishness and wanting to APPEAR the martyr to others.

If you ask these Ns what their faults are, they can't come up with a single one since they think they are perfect.  Real saints and martyrs don't have a selfish bone in their bodies. 

So I tend to be sensitive to people who display "saintly" or "martyr" like behavior.  There's nothing good about a martyr and real, earth-bound saints don't need to talk about how saintly they are.  Their actions, always governed by the good it will do others, speak volumes.

Of course, it makes sense that Ns think of themselves as saints since they place themselves on a self-appointed throne, far above the ground where the rest of we mere mortals live.  Their holier-than-thou behavior can sometimes be overwhelming and at all times is meant as just another way to demean the value of everyone else around them.



Applause - Applause and more applause!!!!

I could not be more soothed by reading your post.

The saintly N who smeared me to my church loved to play the suffering martyr, she had a way of leaking her sufferings to a few others; they would send out these emails saying "please pray for her she is suffering so on and and so forth." 

Once she was asking in prayer for God to give her some suffering so that she could alleviate other suffering in the world. She was trying to ask God what she would need to do in order to prepare for the physical suffering God was going to give her as well as what kind of suffering God would give her. The only reason that I knew this is because she was praying at a friend of mines house, who was another church N, who claimed to have the gift of prophecy and was trying to help saint N know, through her "gift," how she would suffer.

It was all very strange stuff for me. I thought to myself if you really want to do something to help the suffering in the world then go to the grocery store and spend $500 on food to make bagged lunches and then take them to the homeless section of people sleeping on the street and feed them, in other words labor in love and kindness and give of your time to those who have nothing, eat with the homeless.


I did not get to ask God how I could prepare myself when I was abused day in and day out by an N mom....why should she get to be prepared for her suffering an then get the honour and attention that she will receive for it too..


I'm disgusted with this N saint.

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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2007, 04:29:17 PM »
In one of th earlier posts on this thread, someone alluded to the "saintliness" of Ns.  UGH!  No, triple UGH!!!  I hate, hate, hate this aspect of the N's personality.  So often, the abuse and hurt and demean deliberately only to have some "rational" excuse for it (in their minds only).  They act the "martyr" who sacrifices everything for others when the truth is they are the most selfish and self-centered people on this earth.

I have both an Nmom and Nsis who play the "martyr" role to the hilt.  THey claim to be strong, long-suffering people who have to put up with sooo much from others.  They claim to sacrifice everything for the sake of others but in reality, all their actions come from a place of selfishness and wanting to APPEAR the martyr to others.

If you ask these Ns what their faults are, they can't come up with a single one since they think they are perfect.  Real saints and martyrs don't have a selfish bone in their bodies. 

So I tend to be sensitive to people who display "saintly" or "martyr" like behavior.  There's nothing good about a martyr and real, earth-bound saints don't need to talk about how saintly they are.  Their actions, always governed by the good it will do others, speak volumes.

Of course, it makes sense that Ns think of themselves as saints since they place themselves on a self-appointed throne, far above the ground where the rest of we mere mortals live.  Their holier-than-thou behavior can sometimes be overwhelming and at all times is meant as just another way to demean the value of everyone else around them.

Hello Sunblue,

My sentiments and 'belief' exactly regarding the 'self-sacrificing' St 'Martyred' N's, and now, can rightly discern one a mile off and keep my distance.  Had an incident with one earlier on this year, which I shared here on board, and had rightly discerned all along, yet felt awful for being 'suspicous.'

Genuine people do things quietly,very often no-one knows, without the resounding trumpets and looking around for acclaim and recognition, instead, they just get on with it, quitely, and selflessly.

Oddly enough, recently remembered, years ago now, my BIL referring to NM as 'Saint ----', seemingly, he had her sussed way back then. 

Excellent profoundly stated posting.

Thank you.

Love, Leah



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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2007, 07:02:40 PM »
Yup, that's the thing about these self-appointed "Saint Ns".  They make you feel bad for being suspicious of their actions until it becomes clear that you are indeed right, that their actions are based completely on their own selfish needs.

Reminds me of a comment my Nmom said to me awhile back.  Our church sponsors charities several times a year, particularly at the holidays.  At Christmas and Easter, our church has a program where you pick a "tag" with a child or needy family's name on it with a "wish" list of items they need or want.  Parishioners pick a tag, buy items and wrap them and return them to the church for distribution.  This small act of kindness is "anonymous", for obvious reasons. Children like to think that Santa or the Easter Bunny provided them gifts, not a Jane Doe.  Also, the focus is on the person in need, not those doing the giving.  I participate in these activities every year gladly and try to be very generous in my gift giving to these children or families.  Once when wrapping up some of these gifts, my Nmom responded, "Aren't you going to sign your name to the tag?"  I explained to her that I wasn't and the reason for it.  She just shook her head and said, "Well, I wouldn't do it then.  How will anyone know that you were the one giving the gifts?"

Obviously, she just doesn't get the concept.  I also volunteer at my church as a catechist teaching 6gh grade students as well as other activities.  Looking back, I realize now that I can't remember my Nmom, Nsis or co-dependent dad ever volunteering to help out with anything.  My Nmom, being the materialistic and power-seeking person she is, will write a check to rare charities, but frankly, the money never comes out of her own pocket.  She arranges to get her company to sponsor the charity and write the check.  But she has never once volunteered her time or effort in any way to benefit someone else, especially someone she doesn't know.  Kind of goes against the concept of being a "martyr" or "saint" doesn't it?  When it comes down to it, they don't emulate saints in any way at all.

My Nsis, too, is even worse in this "martyr" department.  She is the type that will flaunt her good luck in life by buying expensive gifts for her family (thankfully, neither my brother and I have nothing to do with her anymore and so aren't the recipients of these gifts any longer).  However, in addition to pointing out how "rare" or "expensive" or "clever" these gifts are, she will keep a running tab comparing what she received in return.  If it doesn't "add up" to the same amount she gave, she feels offended, slighted and wronged.  My Nmom does the same.  It's always a "tit for tat" situation.  She will never buy a little gift for someone or engage in an act of kindness for someone unless she knows it will be returned.  It is so opposite what both my brother and I believe.

I guess the truth is that Ns just don't possess giving hearts.  They don't value or understand why it's important to give of yourself to others without the expectation that it will be returned.  I think subconsciously, deep, deep down, a true N is terribly envious of those who very obviously have hearts and can express their generosity in human ways.

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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2007, 08:03:43 PM »
Hi Bill,

Just wanted to thank you for explaining - I appreciate it.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

My father was a very violent man.   He went through a period where he would take furniture and throw it against the walls (and I am talking about a couch that can seat 3 - he was very strong).  So I tend to get alarmed at expressions of anger and violence.

My heart breaks at the thought of all that you have gone through as a result of raNdy.  These types of people are unbelievably frustrating to deal with.  IME it has been useless to try and get through to them, or fight them – they can turn on a dime and leave you spinning in the dust. 

Thank you again,
Peace   
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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2007, 08:21:22 PM »
      I've never been much of a church-goer, Lise. I am very spiritual, but I lean towards the Buddhist view of the universe.  Some of the nicest people I've ever met go to church though.  I just can't discuss Jesus with them.
 
     This was a social group that met once a week to walk around a scenic lake and make travel and evening plans together. I did it nearly every week for over 10 years.  I had a long discussion (email) with one woman in the group.  She is part of Randy's worshipful coterie and didn't have a clue that he is not what he seems .  She swallowed Randy's inventions whole and fed them back to me verbatim, not realizing that he was simply using her as a tool for his own purposes.  I told her that, that Randy was very manipulative,  someone with NPD and did not have one ex-woman friend who would speak to him.  I just got the blank stare and didn't really expect anything else.  I didn't even bother much with anyone else after I heard all the whisperings and was excluded from all social events. I saw no point to it.  Randy, in his desire to 'teach me a lesson' let it be known that he wouldn't attend any event I was invited to.  The subtle implication being that anyone who invited me would ALSO be on the sh*t list.  If you remember, he was the main social center for evening activities.  But with stand-up friends like this, who needs enemies?  But I'm not bitter about it.  Bitterness is a huge waste of time and energy. (Well, you have to do a little of it). Thanks for caring Lise.  I DO feel your support.

Bill

 

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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2007, 09:59:02 PM »
 I didn't even bother much with anyone else after I heard all the whisperings and was excluded from all social events. I saw no point to it.


Your reaction was a lot like mine in that I realized that there are some battles that are just not worth fighting.

I was not too concerned about this N woman when I initially pulled away from her and her group.

At first I projected on to her my good qualities and I was still thinking that she is perhaps just very humble (not that I am) and that is why she never says much...I can see now that it was actually her form of control - she just feigned humility.

The wonderful thing about all of this is that it has forced me to get creative and find anonymous ways to serve God aside from ministry with others. There is a lot that one person can do to help others when no one is looking and it helps to kill my pride everytime I do it. God can take the pain and ugliness of life and work it into an art of beauty if we let him.

Luv,
Lise




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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2007, 12:35:28 AM »
Hi ((((Gabben))))=

I think of wacky counselors as "psycho- therapists". When one unburdens themselves with a therapist and the treatment is improper, it feels like a creepy violation, like when a medical doctor performs an intimate exam and does or says something "off". A good and ethical counselor actually makes things safer.

Hope things are better for you, and you carry some N-repellant with you at all times!

Love,

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Re: distress and compassion
« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2007, 02:58:44 PM »
It's very ok, Peace.  Your father sounds like he was a bully.  I'm very sad that you got dealt such a parent.
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