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reallyME

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good link ...describes my daughter
« on: November 25, 2007, 05:46:10 PM »
As I read this, i saw my daughter through the years.  Although she has shown N tendencies, I'm more inclined to believe that she actually had Oppositional Defiant Disorder, that, because of my past emotional neglect and ignorance, became exaggerated into out and out Conduct Disorder which I now am victimized by her with.


http://www.focusas.com/ConductDisorders.html

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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2007, 06:42:13 PM »
Dear Laura,
  I think that God "humbled" you to show you your role in your  D's problems I am so happy to hear you 'own" your role in it.I have not heard this before.I don't think that you were ready before now,if I am not mistaken.
  I can hear what you are saying about oppositional disorder getting out of control and resulting in the "mess" you have now.   Kids are one big train ,waiting for a derailment anywhere along the line.
      If the parent has issues of their own that cloud their ability to stop the derailment, often it is too late .Your D treats you horribly. I could not believe how she talks to you. I never realized that.
  . I realize that you,obviously, were not facing all the steps that led up to this.
   You were,obviously, not able to face it and handle it or you would have.By the time you turned around, it was totally out of control.
  I am so sorry for all the pain that you are suffering.I see in you what it is hard to see in my M----you did the best you could with what you had.
  It seems like you are healing,inside, though.I am so happy for that,Laura.              Love   Ami

((((((((((Laura)))))))))))))
   
   
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2007, 07:10:52 PM »
Ami,

What do you mean that you see in me what it is hard to see in your M?  Please clarify.

I have admitted my emotional neglect of my daughter before on threads on here.  I've not been in denial of that for years, which is why I've seen counselors, tried meds, got various diagnoses on myself.

Currently, I'm seeing a personal therapist, a marriage counselor, going to a support group, and reading lots of books and taking care of myself and my girls as much as possible.

I KNOW that my past dissociation from my daughters in favor of being a computer pastor/counselor, has caused my family great harm.  At the time, was lost in the OCD behavior of computer addiction.  I honestly refused to admit my addiction of the need to be needed by Dove at the time, and I was TERRIFIED at the thought of going cold-turkey off the computer and would raise in anger against even the suggestion of it.  I was an ADDICT in every sense of the word.  I told my family I didn't want them, didn't need them, didn't care about them and just LEAVE ME ALONE. 

I knew it was wrong but I did not know how to stop myself and to be honest with ya, the "high" I got from helping someone and feeling needed by them, was too good to WANT to stop and live a non-drama filled life with Dove's issues.  Did I love Dove as a person and not just use her to sait my own need to be needed?  I definitely loved Dove and her family and sincerely thought I was helping and in ways, I DID and HAVE.  Was it worth the cost to my own family?  well, let me put it this way...Dove has her marriage back together, her daughter came back to her after being estranged from her, and basically, she is doing ok without me I'm sure.  My marriage has been jeapordized, my children often resent me, and now I'm left to pick of the pieces of the mess IIIIIIIIIIIIII made.  I do NOT BLAME DOVE for being needy.  I blame ME for not knowing a hill of beans about boundaries or about seeking information on improving my marriage and family.

I did not learn about NPD until the person after Dove came along and tried to "mentor" me in her controlling way.  After that relationship, i finally decided to find out WHY I tended to:

1.)  be addicted to the internet
2.)  have a need to be needed
3.)  hook up consistently and closely with abusive controllers in leadership positions
4.)  not want to face my own and family's issues but rather ESCAPE
5.)  want to find anything I could to take away the deep pain, depression and loneliness i felt
6.)  why I married someone who was abusive and cruel at times
7.)  resent the very people that I wanted to actually love deeply
8.)  be a narcissist/borderline/avoidant magnet
9.)  always leave places when I felt uneasy, rather than work through the feelings
10.) be taken off the earth by God as soon as possible.

Through counseling and support groups and prayer and my own choices, I finally went COLD TURKEY for a long long time with the computer.  I missed it for a short while, but i got used to living in REALITY, vs cyber space.  I began listening to and spending time with my daughters and working on my marriage and facing ME and my past abuse by my family and learning good ways to deal with issues that I had.

It's a PROCESS indeed, but I feel I've come a very long way

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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2007, 07:21:55 PM »
Dear Laura,
  You have been on the board longer than I .. Also, of course,I have not read all your posts. I got the impression that you had not faced your role in your D's problems-----NOT to blame yourself ---just to face the reality.
  When there is a really troubled kid, the parents usually have a role in it. I had not seen that side of the equation in your posts,but that does not mean that it wasn't there .I may have missed it or  misinterpreted it.
  Anyway, this is what I meant about my M. It seems that you had so many of your own needs and pains that your D 's emotional health was going down the tubes and you were not able to parent her in a way to "save" her. You were not "with it" enough to reach out a hand and pull her up. You may have even been a major factor for WHY she was going down   BUT(and this is the BIG
thing)----You were not able to stop the "train wreck". You were impotent b/c of your own pains and lacks.
  Do you understand what I mean, Laura?           Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2007, 09:00:27 PM »
hey Ami

i do understand what you mean.  yeah I've posted about my responsibility in the situation with my daughter in the past threads.  it's ok that you didn't see em...there are soooooooo many threads to keep up with, arent' there? hehe

I was not "with it" for about 3 1/2 years, by choice.  my home life was AWFUL with my H, and I had no clue how to handle a rebellious adolescent, let alone her older promiscuous sister.  i was also pregnant part of the time and so sick and in pain that i couldn't get out of the bed.  During this time, my eldest daughter took 2 boys into the homemade clubhouse in our yard and had sex with them in front of her younger sisters.  The one boy swore my 2 young daughters (the now 18 yr old and the now 13 yr old to secrecy, by threats and promises of new Barbie dolls if they didn't tell)  I didn't find out for a while about the incident, until the now 18 yr old finally cracked one day and told me.  I was very patient but sad and scared she'd have an STD or be pregnant.  she was tested and was fine and not pregnant.  From there, that same eldest daughter went on to have sex with guys and gals and do other things that were just wrong.  Her sister then called her names and rejected her for a while till now she has done the same thing but feels she is better cause she got preg by only one guy.

It's all twisted and I'll go more into it later.  have to get off here now.

~Laura

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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 01:29:01 PM »
Really me,
Thank you for the link.  I just shared on another post about my guilt and anger and what it did to my 2 daughters' lives.  They are grown now.
Throught recovery, I have moved past the pain and now I can allow them to be the women they are and work through whatever they need to.  I do not have a relationship with either of them at the moment and than't okay today.  In the past I would be flattened with grief and pain and guilt.
I know what I did and I have made amends but I do not try to take their pain from them.  I know what happened in their lives is directly linked to my own behavior and reactions.  Today I am a better person with much healthier tools.
I pray and love them from a distance and know that healing takes time and each one has to do their own work.  I cannot expect them to be okay with me just to make me feel better.
BR

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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 06:20:53 PM »
Betr4-

Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone has things to work on with other  people in their lives. I know that you are a sincere and good person who has been traumatized by life with a major N- and I know how that feels (((((Betr4)))))- now things will get better!!!

In your healing, you will be able to piece your authentic life back together, and reach out to the world again. (((((Betr4))))) I am praying for you and your family. Keep strong and have a beautiful day!

Love,

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Re: good link ...describes my daughter
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 09:34:26 PM »
Hi BR,
Your dignity and your respect for their healing space
says a great deal about the mother you are.

taking notes...
love,
Hops
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