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alone48

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2008, 11:25:34 AM »
Actually, I do have THAT book, but the one the movie is being made on is He's just not that into you. I have that one too. Should have read it more I guess. I wondered if he was an N or if it was the acting ability or better yet maybe they go hand in hand.

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2008, 11:29:22 AM »
I think the one,"He's not That In to You" is more about "normal " guys who woman keep chasing when they guy is not that interested. The other one is more about "pathology', as I understand  it, anyway.            Love   Ami
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2008, 11:42:47 AM »
You're right and my GF got it for me at first because she thought he was just a normal guy I was chasing. After awhile she realized he was playing a game and told me she didn't think the book fit him. I believe my f,ex, and N all have that quality and don't particually like women (I don't know if I would go so far as to say Hate). Somewhere along the line they all feel they have been wronged by women or saw them as weak. N once asked me if I thought he was a mama's boy (he's 56) and kindly I said "no, I think you just are very caring towards you mother". HE WAS A MAMA'S BOY!!!!!!!!!!!  i wish I has told him, but chicken me gave him an easy out. He uses this "closeness" with his mother to attract women who think he's caring and sensitive, but numerous times he told me he hated her........what a red flag.

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2008, 11:52:09 AM »
You're right and my GF got it for me at first because she thought he was just a normal guy I was chasing. After awhile she realized he was playing a game and told me she didn't think the book fit him. I believe my f,ex, and N all have that quality and don't particually like women (I don't know if I would go so far as to say Hate). Somewhere along the line they all feel they have been wronged by women or saw them as weak. N once asked me if I thought he was a mama's boy (he's 56) and kindly I said "no, I think you just are very caring towards you mother". HE WAS A MAMA'S BOY!!!!!!!!!!!  i wish I has told him, but chicken me gave him an easy out. He uses this "closeness" with his mother to attract women who think he's caring and sensitive, but numerous times he told me he hated her........what a red flag.


Dear Alone.
  I am sorry,but that Mama's Boy thing is funny. I think that you were sunk at ONE point---when you went to bed with him. If you hadn't,I think that you could have maintained your sense of  objectivity. Am I right or not, Alone? Was that the point of 'no turning back" in your "addiction toward him?        Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2008, 12:13:49 PM »
It's funny becuase as I said before I had been in a marriage where there had been no intimacy for 10 years, so yes someone desiring me made all the difference in the world. He already knew that I could endure long periods without intimacy (it had come up in discussions). He actuall pursued me heavily calling everyday/in the name of business. I had accidentally returned a phone call when I was in the field, on my own private cell as the work one was dead, that's how he got my #. He told me once in the begining that he thought we would be friends for the next thirty years, I thought that was extremely odd. Also my son was in the movie industry and starting to make it somewhat, where N was in a fading career. He had always wanted a son, but only had two daughters. My son never took to him, he needed the spotlight too at 13 years old and in the industry so N didn't have much use for him He always tried to get close to my son, but the one thing I had enough sense to do was keep it separate. I thank God for that one.

He went from adoring my son to actually being jealous of him, it flucuated on his moods. He wanted me to take my son out of the private school he had been in since K and the final straw began when I got my son a car. He thinks he is a spoiled pampered brat. Maybe somewhat spoiled, but he is a caring, loving, and responsible son. All of this guidance was in the name of a "friend". Though he had alot of control over me, I don't think it was enough, I still did things against his will.

I think the guise of being a friend while he continued to act like a bf was the most confusing part. Everyone kept telling me "he told you he only wanted to be a friend, so what's wrong". After awhile they did see the inconsistencies in his actions, but still said HE told you you're only friends. That seemed to cover his bases pretty much. Though I know he wanted me to believe otherwise.....to string me along.

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2008, 12:23:45 PM »
It really sounds like the book, Men who Hate Woman and the Woman who Love Them"with all the "crazy making things--like 'just friends', after you were NOT just friends.
  Wow, It really was a 'crazy making" situation ,for sure.
  I am angry thinking of the way that he used your desires for connection to really, really hurt you. Sorry, Alone. Do you still feel "hooked" on him(down deep)?                          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2008, 12:35:40 PM »
Especially during the holidays. I have this image of him just going on his merry way and having a wonderful life, which I doubt is true since he has always been a very miserable person. Even his M tried to talk him into counseling, he briefly considered (about a second). I tried to tell him when it was over that he definetly had alot to offer if he would allow himself. I wrote a letter that was difficult, because I didn't want to make any accusations though I felt them at the time. I explained that he had been clear in not wanting a relationship and I couldn't fault him for that but I needed more. Also that You can't make someone feel what they don't feel and therefore I was moving on and wished the best for him He called my ex boss (they had golfed together) to share this intimate letter. This after him telling me he couldn't have sex with me again because I had shared the info with my gf.

Yes, Ami I do still care. Though I know what I care for never exisited. I was willing to work while he stayed home and hoped for another job. I would have done whatever, he caused it to end. He knew that I was starting to question things and want more from him, so he had to get rid of me.He loved the relationship on his terms.God works in mysterious ways.

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2008, 12:43:05 PM »
Wow, Alone. It is a really sad story of your emotions, needs, wants and dreams getting "hooked'. It is pitiful That was his MO,all the time--to hook you.
 It is really heartbreaking,Alone. You "yearn" for those few moments with him when all the emotional things that you always wanted seemed close--bleh.
  It is like a drug addiction, Alone.I can see why you have been suffering so much, Alone. I bet that you would still do anything(in your stupider moments ) to get him back. Am I right or not?  Are you still at this place(in your heart)?          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2008, 12:44:05 PM »
Oh, in answer to your question, it's not deep down it's very much on the surface and raw. I wish I could feel nothing for him or even anger, hopefully that comes soon.

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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2008, 12:48:15 PM »
Would i do anything, no. I'm pretty much afraid of him and any contact. He is quite mean and vindictive. We have gone past the point of no return, his only purpose in contacting me would be to destroy me further. Do I want to contact him, most certainly. The only thing that keeps me from doing it, is knowing he will either hang up or totally lambaste me. Neither sounds like much fun. Right now I don't see much of a future, but everyone says that will change....I sure hope so. I did send him a text at Xmas, he chose to ignore it.

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2008, 12:59:18 PM »
Well, Alone,it sounds like you are getting out of the emotional "hooks" slowly. You are on the way out, anyway. What a lesson that was!I bet that you will never go through s/thing like that again, though.           Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2008, 01:38:34 PM »
It's funny everyone says the same thing, that I am on my way out. No, he chose to leave I have no option, but you're right it won't happpen again.Would I get him back if I could, probably. But fortunately he will not give me that oppurtunity. Did I learn anything, sure doesn't seem like it. Though I will never open myself up like that to anyone again.

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2008, 01:53:13 PM »
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I know what I care for never exisited

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Did I learn anything, sure doesn't seem like it. Though I will never open myself up like that to anyone again.

Hi Alone,
I think you learned a lot but the thing in bold, there, might be backward.

How would it be different for you if instead, it was:

I will never open myself up to anyone like that again.

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love and healing to you,
Hops
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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2008, 01:59:07 PM »
 I guess I meant if I learned anything I wouldn't still want to be with him, I would run and be glad to be away from it. I know I need to be away just don't know what I would do if the oppurtunity still was there. Thank God for taking it away, it wasn't me.

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Re: Is he really an N
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2008, 02:01:17 PM »
I do agree with not opening myself to someone LIKE that, but I don't even trust my judgement to determine who is like that anymore.