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Mature Healthy Narcissism
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:03:55 AM »
Healthy Narcissism -- Leaving Family Dysfunctional Patterns Behind

Healthy narcissism is having just the right amount of self centeredness to get some of your own needs met and as well as some of the needs of others. It’s a balance between giving and taking. Healthy narcissism means using appropriate adult communication, having appropriate boundaries and setting limits for your own self protection. It means giving up old survival patterns that no longer work and using adult behaviors that give you more of what you want.

Resource: The Narcissistic Family: Diagnosis and Treatment. Stephanie Donaldson-Pressman and Robert Pressman



Mature Healthy Narcissism

Everyone has narcissistic behaviors; it is normal to think of ones self and try to get out needs met. We view the world through our own narrow outlook based on our past history and our conditioning. We all need to care enough about our self (narcissism) to pay our bills and function effectively in life. It is only when selfish behavior gets out of hand does it cause problems for the person and those around him.

“Each of us functions with a core of narcissistic, self focused view of the world,” said Marion Soloman, psychodynamic psychologist. Now we all have a bit of narcissism and indeed need some of it to survive. We all have a bit of selfishness in us and that is okay. Otherwise we would end up giving away everything. We need to learn to receive as well as give to be healthy.



The Narcissistic-Co-dependency Continuum

FEAR: I am not safe unless I get.            LOVE: I am safe                FEAR: I am not safe unless I give.                 Loving, conscious relationship

Shadow Parts which create Suffering ........... Through Too little Caring for Others

Shadow Parts which create Suffering ........... Through Too much Caring for Others 




Narcissism -----------------------------  Reciprocal Loving -----------------------------  Co-dependency


Mature Healthy Narcissism

Getting a good balance between taking from others and giving to them is called "Healthy Narcissism" by the psychoanalytic community. Healthy Narcissism is the ability to have reciprocal relationships where the need of each of the partners is balanced with the needs of the other.

Mature Healthy Narcissism is the middle ground between caring for self and the caring for other. It includes those centered, conscious choices that fall within the center of the continuum. It is the equilibrium between taking too much and giving too much in regards to the other person. Moving towards the middle of the Narcissistic-Co-dependency continuum where there is not too much and not too little of either giving too much to others or expecting too much brings balance into a life. By learning the balance between giving too much and taking too much and learning the skills of communication that create intimacy (See books by Harville Hendrix and John Gottman); you can have loving, fulfilling relationships.


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Re: Mature Healthy Narcissism ----- Reciprocal choices
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 01:55:51 PM »
Narcissism -----------------------------  Reciprocal Loving -----------------------------  Co-dependency


Moving towards the middle of the Narcissistic-Co-dependency continuum where there is not too much and not too little of either giving too much to others, or expecting too much, brings balance into a life.


:idea:  Really understand now, and grateful to learn that there is a continuum, a middle ground, which is as I had thought and hoped to find.  My sincere hope is that I am able to retain a healthy good balance in life, along my life journey.

Leaving my family' dysfunctional patterns behind me, in letting go, of what was endured.

Leah 

 
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Re: Mature Healthy Narcissism
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 08:51:54 AM »
Healthy Adult Narcissism

You may have the idea that narcissism is not desirable because the focus thus far has been on destructive narcissism. However, there are the concepts of age-appropriate narcissism and healthy adult narcissism that point to the positive aspects of a self-focus. Age-appropriate narcissism is a concept based on the notion that we grow and develop in our ability to become separate and differentiated people and that this is a process that begins at birth and continues throughout life. One way of illustrating age-appropriate narcissism is to think of the infant as self-absorbed, grandiose, omnipotent and all the other characteristics described as destructive narcissism for an adult. It's ok for the infant and early child states, but not age-appropriate for adolescents and adults. When adults have failed to develop age-appropriate narcissism, this is termed as underdeveloped narcissism. These adults are still in an infant, child or even adolescent state as far as their developed narcissism is concerned.


Healthy adult narcissism is characterized by; empathy, a sense of humor, creativity, wisdom, sense of personal responsibility, the capacity for developing and maintaining satisfying intimate relationships and altruism. This is the ideal state for adults. What happens is that the process to develop healthy adult narcissism continues throughout our lives.



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Re: Mature Healthy Narcissism
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 09:23:19 AM »
Thank you ,Leah. One of my favorite quotes  seems to sum it up(IMO)
If I am not for myself---who am I?
If I am only for myself---what am I?
                                                  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 02:43:22 PM »
I think that it is easy to be afraid of any narcissism when you have an N parent. Many of us, on the board, have little voices, as Dr G says.
  I know that I have. I would not have been an abused wife for 24 years if I had a "normal" voice. It would not have happened.
 Healthy N is  the antidote to a LV(little voice). I guess that we have to "practice' being comfortable with a strong self. I know that I am comfortable with a weak self. That is "no problem". However, a strong, confident self seems "wrong".
 I guess that we have to "morph" out of the familiar(LV) in to "normal  healthy N traits.    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Mature Healthy Narcissism
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 03:44:21 PM »
I think that it is easy to be afraid of any narcissism when you have an N parent. Many of us, on the board, have little voices, as Dr G says.
  I know that I have. I would not have been an abused wife for 24 years if I had a "normal" voice. It would not have happened.
 Healthy N is  the antidote to a LV(little voice). I guess that we have to "practice' being comfortable with a strong self. I know that I am comfortable with a weak self. That is "no problem". However, a strong, confident self seems "wrong".
 I guess that we have to "morph" out of the familiar(LV) in to "normal  healthy N traits.    Ami


From my own personal experience, to present day, all I can say is that I made a choice to seek and find, work through,

after a lifetime of having a 'little voice' from childhood through to and including marriage.

It is possible to arrive at Healthy Narcissism, as per many many respected professional people, including Nina Bown (who wrote the above, from Children of the Self Absorbed')

We as ACON's are not destined to a life of living hell i.e. a life of remaining invalidated, depersonalized and objectified .... IMO

Choice: 

Remain entrapped

or

Break free


Choice that belongs to and is owned by; the individual person.


Love, Leah 

~  who chose to walk away, seek and find, and then, finally, became free, with the truth, that set me free, indeed ~ staying free ~
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Re: Mature Healthy Narcissism
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 04:22:27 PM »
Just had a look at Dr Grossman's recommended reading list of books and the the books quoted in this thread's articles / books quoted therein ... are in fact on Dr Grossman's recommended book list ....

Children of the Self-Absorbed: A Grown-Up's Guide to Getting over Narcissistic Parents by Nina Brown, Ed.D.

The Narcissistic Family : Diagnosis and Treatment  by Stephanie Donaldson-Pressman and Robert M. Pressman   


Grateful for the validation.

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2008, 02:35:07 PM »
Healthy adult narcissism is characterized by; empathy, a sense of humor, creativity, wisdom, sense of personal responsibility, the capacity for developing and maintaining satisfying intimate relationships and altruism. This is the ideal state for adults. What happens is that the process to develop healthy adult narcissism continues throughout our lives.


Upon reflection, regarding my parents, genuinely feel sad for them both, that they still today, lack any of the above qualities.

Truly grateful, for my life, such that it has been todate, and yet saddened, for their life, which is an empty one (and more besides).

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Re: Mature Healthy Narcissism
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2008, 10:07:35 PM »
This is good info, thanks, LeahsRainbow. Is it possible that my wife and I were co- narrciissts?  Are there couples like this?

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 10:24:20 PM »
Thank you, Whistler,

There may well be couples who are both co-narcissists --- a Therapist who is aware of Narcissism etc., would be able to ascertain correctly.

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