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Ami

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Enmeshment
« on: January 15, 2008, 08:32:55 AM »
I learned a  "million" dollar lesson,last night.
 I have been overwhelmed with emotions b/c I was trying to make a hard decision. I was asking my friend  to " own" "my emotions. I was not owning them myself ,so I was burdening another person .I  did not 'know" this b/c this was just how I lived.it was "normal" to me to be enmeshed.
 Lise taught me that when my emotions are overwhelming, they are FOO emotions.  My friend did not TAKE  my emotions and *I*  took them back.
  I learned this  million dollar lesson. I am responsible for my own emotions. WHERE was  I in grad school when they were teaching THAT lesson? 
 Well, for that matter , where was I when they were teaching the REST of the lessons(lol)?
 So, now I really have a whole new life. *I* am responsible for my emotions, my body(stomach aches) , my feelings and my thinking---GULP (lol).
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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 09:26:52 AM »
Am-for many many years I would not make a decision without my moms permission.  I realize now it was because if something did not work out I could blame her therefore all my bases were covered.  But I also did not make the decision because I was afraid if I screwed up then it would further her opinion of me as someone whe could not make good decisions.  THAT was emeshment as well.  Good for you for getting better and good for me too!
Kelly

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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 09:36:17 AM »
Dear Kelly,
  I was living in the "screwiest" universe. I did not own my own feelings. I gave myself to you  so you would like me. Then, you are supposed to like me and give myself back to me. THEN, I can like myself. That is a long way around the 'track"(lol).
Maybe, that is the definition of codependence.Do you understand what I mean, Kelly?
 I was in AL Anon for 13 years and learned nothing-lol.              Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 10:20:30 AM »
Dear Ami,

So glad to know that you have this realization of Self ownership.

I feel sure that this is a door opening for you.

Love, Leah
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 03:39:47 PM »
It is hard to realize how screwed up we are-huh?  Boy I now know that I blame my mom for everything.  Yes she is to blame for a lot of it but I allowed her to control and intimidate me.  People do not understand how brain washed I was and how it became impossible to be my own person.
Kelly

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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 06:29:33 PM »
This enmeshment thing is HUGE. It is all encompassing. I see that I am enmeshed with everyone--bleh. Where am *I*? I don't know, most of the time.
  I really saw how I give myself to others to tell me who I am. Boy,it is a bondage.
  Probably the root is fear. I am afraid of s/thing----fear of being found out(shame), humiliation, anger,etc. It is a deep, deep thing. That is for sure.                 Ami
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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 06:34:50 PM »
Dear Ami,

Identify with what you say, as in my past Enmeshed life, I was a People Pleaser, to my N FOO.         

So in effect, they owned my Self, not I.

That's what I was referring to about taking ownership of oneself, digging down, to find you, authentic you.

Not the 'created' you by the enmesher's, the intruder's into oneself.

Hope that makes sense.   :)

Love, Leah

PS  >   Now, I stand guard at the gate of my soul, my inner self ..... I own the key!   Re:  Intrusiveness

Those who Intrude into ones Self, to create the YOU that THEY want ...... stalk the soul with a reason, to take ownership of YOU.

That's why they do it.

Result:  BONDAGE in Chains.
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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 06:42:09 PM »
WOW
 That is good, Leah!                            Love   Ami
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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 06:44:09 PM »
Hi Ami,

Enmeshment is not a word I use or think about very often. But after reading this post today I decided to to some research on it, below is something that I found.

On a different and personal note:
My mind and heart has been quiet as of late -- I feel as though I just finished 6 months of heavy emotional processing. For months I was in an infantile state of intense emotion releasing and healing. So much heartache, anger, rage and pain came out of me. I cried deep sobs for months - lately I feel like a new person. I have been happy and peaceful again. Moderation has come into my life again and I feel joyful about my future --- ahhhh progess!

Lately I have been busy with some projects, finding new roommates, redecorating my place some, helping with a charity that I work with from time to time and just watching lots of movies and going for long walks in the park or on the beach. This weekend will be a social weekend of good food and good freinds and some fulfilling charity work - Life is full and I am so blessed.

I just finished some books. Today, I ordered several more -- Reading is my passion!

The only thing really plaguing me is that I am still smoking a few ciggs here and there and I am experiencing surface feelings of loneliness in my life.

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Enmeshment In Codependency

Enmeshment has come to be a popularly used term when speaking about co-dependence. Co-dependence is defined as, being psychologically influenced or controlled by, reliant upon, or needing another person to fulfill one's own needs or to complete oneself. Originally being co-dependent originated from the recovery movement in Alcoholic Anon. Co-dependents, in that sense were defined as those who were dependent upon or in relationship to or with someone addicted to alcohol or drugs.

Now, generally, people are defined as being co-dependent if they are in a situation where they are psychologically mutually reliant on someone else to meet needs for them that they "should" be able to meet for themselves.

"A co-dependent person is one who has let another person's behaviour affect him or her, ans who is obsessed with controlling that person's behaviour" (Melody Beattie, in her book, "Codependent No More".

What is enmeshment?

"We're enmeshed when we use an individual for our identity, sense of value, worth, well-being, safety, purpose, and security. Instead of two people present, we become one identity. More simply, enmeshment is present when our sense of wholeness comes from another person.


We hear enmeshment phrases everyday such as, "I'd die without you," "You're my everything," "Without you, I'm nothing," "I need you," or "You make me whole." Many of us find our identity and self-worth by becoming the mate, parent, or friend of a successful and/or prestigious individual, or we find the need to fix and caretake individuals to give us a sense of purpose.


Enmeshment doesn't allow for individuality, wholeness, personal empowerment, healthy relationships with ourselves or others, and, most importantly, a relationship with our Higher Power."


Lise
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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 06:54:02 PM »
Hi again, Ami

The other thing that I am hanging onto with dear life is this realization:

All my FOO's did this, and other's too, for their OWN purpose (enmeshing, intruding, controlling) agenda .......

Whenever someone says to me:

> "That's not it"  "That's not right" "That's not the Way to do it"     etc etc.

>  Ask the person back " WHY ? "    " WHY do you say that ?      " WHY do you think that ? "

Intruder's and Controller's do not like the word, why!

Importantly:

Asking myself ...  WHY ?

Why is the way!   :)

Love, Leah
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 07:06:54 PM »
THIS is my 'favorite" phrase,"Who do you think you are?" or "How could you feel that way?---along with looking at you like you are a criminal(lol). Lord, Help me get whole.!                                  Ami           
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 07:14:27 PM »
Dear Lise,
  You sound SO good. I am so happy for you. It shows that searching yourself   honestly, really does work. You are an example of s/one who will not stop at the surface,but will keep facing the root----no matter how badly it hurts. You inspire me. In honor of you(lol), I had a deep, heart wrenching cry the other night. I kept hoping that it ,indeed, would come to some good, and it did. It is scary to feel the intensity of your emotions---isn't it?
  Lise, you are a beautiful girl. God will bring you that special person. When God does it,it will be "right". Just keep doing everything as you are. Love    Ami
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2008, 07:18:45 PM »
Dear Leah,
  What I find SO hard to do is to let all the "bad' parts of me just go by without thinking that they define me. Do you understand.IOW, I want to just think 'bad" thoughts and see them go by and say,"Oh , that is the flesh" and pay NO attention to it. That would be great peace,in my eyes. That is my current goal.
Also, to see that everyone has these thoughts and feelings. The Bible says that "There is NO temptation taken man that is not common to men(paraphrase). IOW, we all have the same stuff-----right?          Love    Ami                   
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2008, 07:19:22 PM »
Dear Lise,
  You sound SO good. I am so happy for you. It shows that searching yourself   honestly, really does work. You are an example of s/one who will not stop at the surface,but will keep facing the root----no matter how badly it hurts. You inspire me. In honor of you(lol), I had a deep, heart wrenching cry the other night. I kept hoping that it ,indeed, would come to some good, and it did. It is scary to feel the intensity of your emotions---isn't it?
  Lise, you are a beautiful girl. God will bring you that special person. When God does it,it will be "right". Just keep doing everything as you are. Love    Ami


Thank you so much Ami - I needed all of your words above.

You are such a blessing in my life!

Lise

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Re: Enmeshment
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2008, 07:25:50 PM »
Dear Lise,
  You helped me over a HUGE hump and I will never forget it. The Bible says s/thing about  a "wise" person helping you to overcome problems. You were that to me ,Lise.            Love   Ami

(((((((((Lise)))))))))))
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung