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Religious VS Spiritual
« on: February 10, 2008, 08:52:15 AM »
I have some thoughts about this.  I was raised in a "Christian" home.  We went to church every Sunday morning for Sunday School and church.  We went every Sunday night.  We went every Wednesday night.  We had a definite set of rules and regulations and the "we don't dos....."  My life was controlled by the threat of going to hell and what would Jesus think if he saw you doing that bad thing?????

When I got older I realized people called us Religious people.

Then there is my husband.  He was raised in a Lutheran church.  His family was less "religious" but they always went to church each Sunday.  He served communion. etc.

I never felt he was "spiritual."  He had no day to day relationship with a higher power and when he talked of his faith he calls it Lutheranism................funny, I always thought it was called being a Christian.....

Anyway, I look at some people and their religion seems to have a sense of duty.  Some of the rituals that occur seem to be religious.

Then there is the spiritual people.  These people seem to connect to God in a much more relational way.  Some of these people don't even do the church thing............

In another post the question was asked....Can a religious person be abusive?  Well, yes.  Religious does not equal spiritual.  A person who communes with God in such a way that they almost get to another level...............the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, long suffering, self control, goodness, kindness..............these words are the antithesis of abuse...............so by their fruit you will know them...............
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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2008, 09:02:52 AM »
Hi Kelly,

Religious Christian follows with head knowledge (routine and liturgy only).

Spiritual Christian follows from their heart.

Both can be abusive (hence, the thread, "Spiritual Abuse")  As in the Charismatic Church I was a member of back then, very Spiritual.


It's all about a personal relationship, as a Spiritual Christian, and therefore, the person has a personal responsibility, and is personally accountable, for walking in the Spirit with the truth of God's word in their heart, speaking and acting from their heart.

Else, there is no difference.

"By their fruits you shall know them"

Spiritual Christians can be abusive, and are, when they walk in the flesh, and not in the spirit.

Leah x
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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 09:06:17 AM »
I think we are agreeing BUT................what I think is if people ACT spiritual they can be abusive.  If they ARE spiritual and truly exhibit the fruits of the spirit they cannot be abusive because one of the fruits is not abuse............
Kelly

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2008, 09:12:57 AM »
Oh Kelly, what a great topic. I can say that Ann seems to follow the "law of love"(spiritual) . I think that the key is finding God's love and that will transport us to being "spiritual", not religious.
  I am on the very first steps.
 I think that we ,first ,have to  be transparent with God. Then,we can be more transparent with ourselves, and then others.
 I told Ann s/thing that she could have condemned me for ,very easily,but she looked at me and I could see that she was looking at me ,with eyes of love, not condemnation. I was surprised.
  Religious people make you feel condemned . Spiritual people make you feel accepted.
 I could tell anything to Maria. She is the closest person to God that I know.
 Even my son told me that he could talk to her ,and not her H(who is Mr. Holy(religious). Maria is spiritual.
 I think that there is a huge difference in the two, Kelly.
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2008, 09:14:58 AM »
I am reminded of the quote (cannot remember whose it is), that "religion is for those that fear hell, while spirituality is for those who have been there, and back".

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008, 09:20:14 AM »
Hi Kelly,

I am only going by what the Bible says, as in Spiritual, and the Pharisees, as Jesus spoke.

Yes, a Spiritual Christian can ACT from head knowledge only, or in disobedience to God's Word, or simply walking in the Flesh.

Therefore, can be abusive.

Many married women of clergy / ministers / pastors get taken into women's safe refuge each year, from all kinds of abuse.  God's Grace is missused, the minister believes that his liberal view means that he can do anything, as he is saved already.  Those words I have heard first hand.

Verbal Abuse in Spiritual Abuse, is deadly to one's inner core.

"Know them by their fruits" is my personal anchor, for my personal emotional safety and well being.

Leah x


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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008, 09:20:24 AM »
I believe that religiousnes and spirituality have to be in balance. You cannot be good if inbalanced. Everybody needs a little fo both. Whatever the religion is. There is liturgy, and if you do not follow the liturgy in a moderate way you are not fallowing the religion either, and if you do not have spirituality you are not even religious.
Fundamentalists who go to the extremes,are IMO no good for enybody. Extremes are bad. Balance is the best.
Or so I think. My two cents.

For example, in the bible ST James chapter two, says your faith is dead with out work, your faith is dead if you let your friend go thirsty or hungry. I will show you my faith through my actions.

So, it is a balance.

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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008, 09:22:03 AM »
Extremes are bad. Balance is the best.  Lupita.

Well said. 

All the best today Lupita

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 09:23:31 AM »
Wow, pretty profound Hermes...

I think of religious peeople as like the Pharisees from the Bible.  They were so set on their rules and regulations that they could not even see Jesus for what He was....

Like the time he healed someone on the Sabbath and they were more concerned about him working on the Sabbath then the fact that some poor blind man could now see!!

There is a huge faction of Christian writers who are writing against the status quo....against the religiosity of the traditional Christian church, etc.

Then I heard on the radio some preacher condemning these young thinkers.......talking about taking the gospel and changing it, etc.

I have such strong feelings about this because I was one who grew up in a legalistic, traditional Christian home.  I never (not once) felt God's grace and love.  All I felt was this sense that I was bad and that I was going to hell.  We had to be perfect.

My brother and I both realized in our teens that not only would be never be perfect, so why try, but it just wasn't fun being a Christian either so we just started partying and carrying on and feeling extreme guilt and shame all the while......

It took me years.  Lots of research.  Reading lots of books.  Prayer.  Counseling. To finally "get it."  

Yes, I know.  I guess I do not exhibit all of the fruit of the spirit...................patience.  Longsuffering.  (well, I guess I have suffered for a LONG time...............but I do not do it with much grace!!)  But I understand that it is all about who you are and not what you do.
Kelly

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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 09:26:59 AM »
Yes, Overcomer.  As in "charity covereth a multitude of sins".

If you are a good person, caring and kind towards others and doing no harm, it makes no difference if you never get down on your knees to pray.  IMHO.

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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2008, 09:30:55 AM »
The Warning Signs of Toxic Religion

I read this list on a Christian web site and thought is was worth sharing:

All of us would like to enjoy a healthy spiritual life. But the sad truth is that many of us, and many churches today, are barren because of hazardous additives. We have believed a different gospel—one laced with legalism, performance-based religion and salvation by works—when Christ alone is our only source of life.

Jesus Himself referred to these toxins as “the leaven of the Pharisees” (Luke 12:1). He told us that the Pharisees’ brand of religion, which looked good on the outside, was deadly—and contagious.

Have you been infected? You can examine these characteristics of a religious spirit.

1. A religious spirit views God as a cold, harsh, distant taskmaster rather than an approachable, loving Father. When we base our relationship with God on our ability to perform spiritual duties, we deny the power of grace. God does not love us because we pray, read our Bibles, attend church or witness, yet millions of Christians think God is mad if they don’t perform these and other duties perfectly. As a result they struggle to find true intimacy with Jesus.

2. A religious spirit places emphasis on doing outward things to show others that God accepts him. We deceive ourselves into believing that we can win God’s approval through a religious dress code, certain spiritual disciplines, particular music styles or even doctrinal positions.

3. A religious spirit develops traditions and formulas to accomplish spiritual goals. We trust in our liturgies, denominational policies or man-made programs to obtain results that only God alone can give.

4. A religious spirit becomes joyless, cynical and hypercritical. This can turn a home or a church completely sour. Then, whenever genuine joy and love are expressed, this becomes a threat to those who have lost the simplicity of true faith.

5. A religious spirit becomes prideful and isolated, thinking that his righteousness is special and that he cannot associate with other believers who have different standards. Churches that allow these attitudes become elitist—and dangerously vulnerable to deception or cult-like practices.

6. A religious spirit develops a harsh, judgmental attitude toward sinners, yet those who ingest this poison typically struggle with sinful habits that they cannot admit to anyone else. Religious people rarely interact with nonbelievers because they don’t want their own superior morals to be tainted by them.

7. A religious spirit persecutes those who disagree with his self-righteous views and becomes angry whenever the message of grace threatens to undermine his religiosity. An angry religious person will use gossip and slander to assassinate other peoples’ character and may even use violence to prove his point. Jesus, in fact, warned His disciples: “There will even come a time when anyone who kills you will think he’s doing God a favor” (John 16:2, The Message).

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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 09:31:58 AM »
Not for me.  I feel I need that connection to someone all knowing and all powerful.  I need to ask God to help me make right decisions, etc.  I need guidance in my day to day life.  I need to be able to pour out my emotions to the one who can give me the peace that transcends all understanding.  I NEED that.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2008, 09:33:39 AM »
Leah, that list fits my Nmom to a tee.  It is funny.  I used to cowtow to all of those things.  Now I look at her, shake my head and basically say, THAT IS YOUR RELIGION, NOT MINE!!!
Kelly

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Re: Religious VS Spiritual
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2008, 09:36:45 AM »
Yes, Overcomer.  And that is your prerogative, to which you are totally and entirely entitled. To seek guidance wherever you think fit.

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2008, 09:39:03 AM »
Wow, pretty profound Hermes...

I think of religious peeople as like the Pharisees from the Bible.  They were so set on their rules and regulations that they could not even see Jesus for what He was....

Like the time he healed someone on the Sabbath and they were more concerned about him working on the Sabbath then the fact that some poor blind man could now see!!


Exactly, Kelly. Because I also grew up within a very religious, legalistic setting, I can now see all of that as the sham it truly is! Working out what Jesus has worked in, by the Holy Spirit, is what I see as the key to Godly spirituality. Also, I have heard it said that religion is mankind's attempt to reach God - - but it is God who reached toward mankind with His Gift of Christ Jesus. Worshipping Him in spirit and in truth is the antithesis of religious activity.

I am so glad you're not stuck on that phone any more, Kelly!  :D  Have a great Sunday...
with love,
Carolyn