Religious VS Spiritual

[Leah]

Thank you for the opportunity to share, ((( Kelly )))

Every blessing in your walk.

Leah x

[Certain Hope]

Yep, I get the same "deer in the headlights" look from my mother.  Almost like, "how dare you say these things to I, your Queen Mother, who owns and establishes the universe and everything around it..................you know not....................be gone!!"

Yes. Kelly, the "notes" which came after that were not even half a small page from a steno pad...

she was clearly furious, yet even then - she didn't dare ask any direct questions, e.g. - "Is that how you see me?"

really pitiful, to be that full of pride and self-sufficiency.

[Overcomer]

And judgement.  "Poor unstable Kelly.  If she could only be like me, her life would make so much more sense.  If she went to my church - regularly and on time.  If she dressed like me and acted like me and did what I told her to, she wouldn't be such a mess."

Not acknowledging that it is SHE that has made my life such a mess.

My aunt said to her.............."Beth...........you can Kelly are the complete opposites of each other.  You couldn't be more different!!"

And yet, the Queen Mother would still have me following in her phoney footsteps...........making me her puppet who does what I am told and who in all actuality does everything FOR the Queen Mother because the Queen Mother really does not have a clue so she hides behind a few select phrases and quotes and lives her lie on a stage...............just daring for someone to expose her........and when I yell.."the emperor has no clothes!!"  It becomes, "Poor unstable Kelly."

[Bella_French]

Hi Kelly,

I can relate to your views on `spiritual' versus `Religious' ; it was nice reading through this thread and getting to know your thoughts more deeply.

I don't think `spirituality'  necessarily relates to God. Buddhists don't believe in a creator, for example, and yet Buddhism is regarded as one of the world's major spiritual philosophies.

Spiritual people always seem to me to be `truth seekers' who dig beneath their own self deceit.

X Bella

[Overcomer]

YEAH, that is why I included the incense and the laying in the garden communing with Mother Nature.  I know there are other religions that people consider spiritual..........so I do not think that that is the word I was searching for..............then I thought of relational....it seemed a better fit for how I think.........

[Certain Hope]

And judgement.  "Poor unstable Kelly.  If she could only be like me, her life would make so much more sense.  If she went to my church - regularly and on time.  If she dressed like me and acted like me and did what I told her to, she wouldn't be such a mess."

Not acknowledging that it is SHE that has made my life such a mess.

My aunt said to her.............."Beth...........you can Kelly are the complete opposites of each other.  You couldn't be more different!!"

And yet, the Queen Mother would still have me following in her phoney footsteps...........making me her puppet who does what I am told and who in all actuality does everything FOR the Queen Mother because the Queen Mother really does not have a clue so she hides behind a few select phrases and quotes and lives her lie on a stage...............just daring for someone to expose her........and when I yell.."the emperor has no clothes!!"  It becomes, "Poor unstable Kelly."

Kelly,

I'm pretty sure that if I had to deal with my mother day in and day out, especially trying to work within the same business as she, I would be bald and constantly snarling... Or deceased from high blood pressure.  As it is, I have difficulty calming my mind and heart and not going on an internal rampage after our occasional contact (she called yesterday).

But the thing is - - the only way I expect to ever, ever be free of all those feelings is to stop saying to myself "but SHE made me what/who I am!!"   She had her time of input and shaping... but that's over now, and that's just exactly what I have to keep reminding myself.. it is over now. Now I am not that person anymore.
I hope that you and I both will be able to continue practicing an awareness of our own, individual identity... and finding that identity in Christ Jesus and who HE made us to be... and not in the past influences of our parents, spouses, or anyone else.

Love to you,
Carolyn

[Overcomer]

You're right.  It is so easy to blame and it is especially hard to deal with when you are with her all the time.  She did her damage and some times I have flare ups but I am a 48 year old woman...I do not need her...

[write]

Extremes are bad. Balance is the best.

allelujah! Amen to that...

 

[Overcomer]

I have often said that my pendulum has always swung too far the opposite of my mom.  If I could just live a balanced life all would be good.

[reallyME]

well, I could write a book on this topic, but I will just say a few things:

First of all, pharisees were not only religious, they were narcissists and psychopaths.

Secondly, I hate being called religious.  I have a relationship with the Lord and yes, I honor His statutes, but I do not fear being sent to hell if I goof up.  I do believe in repentance however and forgiveness and that it's needed.  I believe the Bible is absolute, infallible and that God is real and certain in my future and now.

Lastly, I'm a follower of Yahuwshu`a or as the Greeks say, Jesus.  I love Him and I do my best to serve Him.

Recently, God has been transforming me by renewing my mind in many ways.  To Him be all the glory.

[reallyME]

I think that is a bunch of BUNK, that's what I think.  Jesus was no more a pharisee than I am a politician!

Jesus would not tell people do not do __________ "as the Pharisees and hippocrites do" if he looked favorably on the Pharisees.  He always depicted Pharisees as being a bad thing, not a good one.  Please read your Bible and see for yourself what Jesus' said.

The only things Jesus practiced, some of which I also do, were JEWISH customs, not Pharisaical ones.  Jesus was raised by Joseph the carpenter.  PAUL was a Pharisee, NOT Jesus.

To me, this is nothing short of blasphemy what this person said, and YES IT UPSETS ME AS WELL IT SHOULD!  Jesus was not religious in the sense of the negative aspect of that word.  Jesus was all about relationship between God and His children.  Yes, He followed the law as did others, but He was never in favor of the way the Pharisees were.  He constantly decried hippocrisy and vanity over them.

So, those are my thoughts on this.  I find it very disturbing indeed!

~Laura

[Hermes]

".......but sometimes the questions they ask are simply that -- questions. ""

You can get into trouble, T.T. by asking questions, or merely by questioning.

All the best
Hermes

[Leah]

Hi RM,

If one has a spiritual belief, they should IMO be passionate about defending it and that is what you do. 

Sincerely,

tt

True ((( RM ))) resonate with accord.


Thank you ((( TT ))) I have ordered that book! 


Leahx

[reallyME]

Thank you, TT.

The way I see it is, if my belief is the correct one, the people who choose not to espouse to it, are in more danger than I am in for having it.  I mean, if I find out at the end of life, that there is nothing, then I lived my life as though there were a prize and it doesn't matter.  If I find out that my beliefs are correct and true, then I reap the reward of living in eternity with my Lord and His people.  It's worth the risk to believe in that case for me.

Besides, to me life would be empty without my faith.

[Leah]

Thank you, TT.

The way I see it is, if my belief is the correct one, the people who choose not to espouse to it, are in more danger than I am in for having it.  I mean, if I find out at the end of life, that there is nothing, then I lived my life as though there were a prize and it doesn't matter.  If I find out that my beliefs are correct and true, then I reap the reward of living in eternity with my Lord and His people.  It's worth the risk to believe in that case for me.

Besides, to me life would be empty without my faith.

Resonate with accord, witness to that effect.        Leah x