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Hermes

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2008, 10:57:12 AM »
Not sounding too good, huh, Overcomer?  And it is looking like a long road ahead of you, unless this alcoholism issue is addressed.  Don't you think?.

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2008, 11:10:08 AM »
You know?  Not horrible.  But I read on another post something about amnesia?  Where when you are in the midst of a battle with an alcoholic or awful person it is bad and you are ready to get a divorce but then when you make up, it is like you forgot how awful they were.  Kinda like giving birth and forgetting the pain you went through when you end up with a baby.

Then my friend said to me, "well, when you have a fight then you get great make up sex..."  Sounds a little weird but probably right in some instances.

I also think that when you stop fighting, that is when you do not care anymore and that is when if they do something bad it is like the straw that broke the camel's back...
Kelly

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2008, 11:32:48 AM »
I spent the last ten years of my marriage in apathy, which iimo is worse than anything else. Control, respect doesn't make alot of difference if you just can't seem to communicate with the one person that is suppose to be so important to you.

My ex has a  tendency to want to make everything into a story. He will see an incident and within two to three minutes will have a complete scenario worked out on what happened. It simply amazes me. Once when we were visiting his parents, they got several hang up calls within the day. My father-in-law had a total scenario worked out where someone was casing his house to see if he was home. Now, I don't totally discount that couldn't be true, but he does this on EVERYTHING! I know where the ex got it from.

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2008, 11:41:09 AM »

Hi all,

Control thing definitely, as my exNH started to move the ornamental items round the room ........ weekly!!!

I moved them back ...... then he moved them again.

So then, afterward, because I said nothing, he turned the them to face the wall !!!!!

I still said nothing.

Then, a item of personal significance, a treasured memory, one morning, lay on the floor in pieces !!!!

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2008, 11:57:09 AM »
You know?  Not horrible.  But I read on another post something about amnesia?  Where when you are in the midst of a battle with an alcoholic or awful person it is bad and you are ready to get a divorce but then when you make up, it is like you forgot how awful they were.  Kinda like giving birth and forgetting the pain you went through when you end up with a baby.

Then my friend said to me, "well, when you have a fight then you get great make up sex..."  Sounds a little weird but probably right in some instances.

I also think that when you stop fighting, that is when you do not care anymore and that is when if they do something bad it is like the straw that broke the camel's back...

Kelly,

Some couples do seem to make a habit out of the fighting, I think... just to get the "reward" of the great make-up sex afterward.
Way back, when I suspected that N-ex might be borderline p.d., that did seem to be exactly his goal, at times.
I thought he was starting a fight just as a matter of routine... like some rut in which he was stuck... and so, when I wouldn't fight back, all the sullen sulkiness was his way of expressing displeasure. Of course, that was before I read about npd and all the missing pieces fit into place.

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2008, 12:59:02 PM »
Well, THAT would have been the straw that broke the camel's back......a treasured piece.

And Carolyn, when you realize what they are, it gets easier to figure out what to do next....it is the not knowing what is wrong and why you feel the way you do that drives one crazy...
Kelly

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2008, 02:38:22 PM »
 ".....when you realize what they are, it gets easier to figure out what to do next....it is the not knowing what is wrong and why you feel the way you do that drives one crazy... " Overcomer

Now you said it!

Anyway, and aside from the personality disordered individual, why would anyone want to remain in a marriage/relationship where there is "fighting" all the time.  It is no way to live.

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2008, 03:45:23 PM »
Dear Kelly,

As you know already, this is not a `men's logic' issue at all. Your Hubby is controlling, and when he doesn't get his way he's verbally abusive towards you, and then you at him.

One possibie reason for this is you're both angry at `other things' aside from the immediate issues,  and the fights let you take it out on someone. Or perhaps your own rage is the only thing guarding your spirit from total annihilation by the abusive people around you? I think only you can answer the `why ' of it, but it may help to understand what you want, and what you get out of the `stataus quo'

Kelly, I feel that your mother knows the meaning of the business to you, and how much you'd like to run it without her control and interference. It would not surprise me if  robbing you of that pleasure is her major reason for with-holding this opportunity from you. N's `feed' off that kind of energy.

Have you thought of just letting it go, and thereby completely negating your mother's control over you? There could be some surprising outcomes. One, you would change your life, and you could arrange it so that no N's are close to you. Its amazing how much that improve your quality of life. 

Or two, your mother will lose interest in the business, because she's no longer able to control you using it as leverage. So then it would be yours anyway.

You are a good person, kelly, and you have not let your spirit be crushed. You are certainly strong enough to change your life, as hard as it can be. You are not `bad' . There is no reason for guilt or shame. But it sounds like its been a long time since you've been around people who treat you well. I know how much that can hurt your self perception.

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2008, 03:50:08 PM »
Dear Bella:

That is a very insightful post.  I hope Kelly will ponder on your words. 
"You are certainly strong enough to change your life, as hard as it can be".

I can only add that life is short, Kelly, and we have to make the most of it.

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2008, 05:15:39 PM »
Advice taken and noted.  I am working on it.  When I found this new business and realizing there is no one doing it in Iowa....it just gave me the umph to go out and tell everybody.....the first people into these types of business are usually the most successful so the minute I can afford to - I walk!
Kelly

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2008, 07:18:34 PM »
Dear Kelly,

Do you mean that you have new business idea, separate to your business with your mother?

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2008, 08:46:25 PM »
Yes and I an almost embarrassed to say it is a network marketing company.  But three years ago one of my employees was one of the first in Iowa in Arbonne and she is now making lots of one and drives a Mercedes so when a vendor I know in the Christian industry started a health and wellness supplement company AND I found out there were not anyone doing it in Iowa I signed up.  I have the personality and want to to do it and I will be out of my moms business by this time next year - no doubt!
Kelly

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2008, 09:00:31 PM »
Dear Kelly, Thats wonderful news, and it doesn't surprise me. You are one brainy girl! A year is not too long to wait:) I had to wait 2 before I worked up the courage to run my current business full time, and quit my old job with a horrible Boss. It was worth it!

I'm looking forward to seeing you start a new life.

X bella



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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2008, 09:07:23 PM »
I am excited.  The product is awesome and it is truly a ground floor opp.  I need the product because my doc told me to take liquid vitamins because of the lap band.  So I will keep you posted!
Kelly

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Re: Men's logic
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2008, 02:59:48 AM »
Dear Kelly,
I can hear your joy. It really does sound like a good idea to market a health related product that you believe in, and use yourself. From what I undersatnd that is one of the biggest industries online.

X Bella