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sjkravill

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« on: July 17, 2004, 07:35:23 AM »
I am hoping you will lend a supportive eye today.

Some of you know, I am away from my possibly Nh for the summer.  I was feeling really great, until I saw an old friend yesterday. We were talking about life, and my story of mostly emotional abuse from h just spilled out.  I started to tremble uncontrolably as we were talking.  She believes I am in danger.  I am not so sure about that.

But it made me realize for the first time how this has shaken me to the core.  I have been so strong in order to hold my work together, and in order not to show a bullly that he scares me.  Suddenly, far removed, months later, I am trembling as my speak.  The trembling stopped when we changed the subject.  I was fine until I drove home.  On the way, it started again, as I was reflecting, along with a loss of appetite, sleep, you get the picture.  I almost feel as though I have the flu or something.


I don't know how to cope with this.  I don't know if I should get back to distracting myself, or if I should dwel on it or deal with it in some way.  I am going back to him in 4 weeks.  I was/am under the impression that things were improving.  They might be, or this might be part of a cycle.  Again, I feel completely lost in how to conceptualize this... And how to deal with this intense physical reaction.

Anyone got any suggestions?
peace, S

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2004, 10:19:34 AM »
S

It sounds like you have post tramadic syndrome.  You are feeling safer which is allowing you to tell someone else about what has happened to you.  At the same time, you are listening to yourself and your body is telling you that you have been through some terrible things.  Since you have been able to be away from him all summer, why would you contemplate going back to him - ever?  Give yourself permission to be free.

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2004, 12:04:48 PM »
Dear God Sjkravill. I don’t know if it’s all him, or him combined with staying with your parents, or what. But something is very, very wrong here. Please do not marry this man, or any man! – until you know what it is that is troubling you. Your mind is telling your body that something is very wrong. Can you stay away longer? Can you stay with your friend for a few days? She can see some major change in you and is worried about you. I’m worried about you, I have been since you said you couldn’t sleep properly when you are with him. That’s not good and not ‘normal’ and not acceptable. Please don’t distract yourself. It’s your life. Please make the right choices now while you’re young. Because it won’t be so easy to extract yourself when you’re older, when you might have children and when you just might feel even worse than you do now. I am concerned about you, reading your post. You’re important. Please look after your-self.

Can you see a local doctor or counsellor? This warrants a visit to either or both. You do not have to cope with it! Ask for help. You don’t have to deal with it, or cope, alone. And please come back and talk some more if you can and you want to! Hugs and love, P

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2004, 01:53:51 PM »
Hi Sjkravill,

I was going to say just what Max did, that it truly sounds like post traumatic stress disorder.   That means that whatever you have come out of for your hiatus(I'm fairly new here & so do not know your history) has been traumatic to you, and not a good, or healthy situation.  

If you are dealing with an N (as you say that you possibly are), it is a very, very rigid disorder, and I would sadly agree with you that what seems like improvement is likely just part of the cycle.

It took me 5 years to realize that with my xN, and honestly, I still at times, wonder if he has or could change! :oops:   Though, there is no chance of my being involved romantically with him again, I wonder if someone else will have all of the benefit that I wanted.  That being the healed, self-actualized him.    

Then I snap to my senses, and realize the truth.   But from time to time, I snap out again...   Accepting the truth and letting go can be a process of going back & forth between the fantasy thoughts and reality thoughts.   At first it can be more fantasy, and little by little over time it becomes more reality, with only small spurts of fantasy thinking.    

Again, I don't know your situation but from other's messages it sounded like you have a choice whether to remain in the relationship or not (i.e. you are not stuck financially, with young kids etc.)  

I think your body and inner self were giving you extremely strong and serious messages, that would be well worth listening to.   They are a part of you that is literally shouting very clear, uninfluenced (by the heart/hopes) information concerning what would be best for you.
 
As Portia said, maybe you could see a local counselor.   I think it would truly be best to do it while you have this physical distance between you & your partner, and I really, really hope you are able to see someone.    

If you can't see anyone locally, I would sort of be afraid for you, that going into the feelings might be too much of an emotional overload on you to do on your own.    Maybe you would be able to gage your feelings and stop when it seems like it is getting to be too much, but sometimes things become overwhelming before we know it.    

I don't know how you feel about allowing yourself to go into your feelings, in terms of whether you feel you would be okay to do so where you are at right now.  There were times/circumstances where I knew I needed to wait before allowing myself to go to a certain place within (I felt I might have freaked out in not a good enviroment to do so in), and other times where I felt safe letting it all out with myself, having comfort with the time & place I was at.      

If you are not sure, maybe you could allow only more surface or more neutral thoughts in (i.e. plans for giving yourself more time, plans for finding a counselsor & things you might want to address), and mostly spend time with your friend/s doing things that make you feel great, and de-stressed.

You could plan to speak to a counselor when you get back to your home area to examine these feelings and the relationship in depth.  

Take good care.....

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2004, 10:19:06 PM »
Hi Sjkravill,

I am very sorry to hear that you are hurting.   :oops:  I agree with all here that you are going through some awful stress about your relationship.  Your friend may be on to something by saying you are in danger.  It may not be physical danger, but a threat to your emotional health and spirit.  

I have shaken like this only in severe circumstances: once when I witnessed a motorcycle accident (it was a very warm night, but still I shook to see a grown man fly like a rag doll).  Another time was after the very physical stress of childbirth, a warm blanket was heaven.  I think trembling is a very clear sign that something MAJOR is up with you.  

If you had a broken leg, you would see a doctor.  Your body is definitely trying to get your attention.  I would definitely see a therapist (apologies, can't remember if you are in therapy, or NH, or both  :? )  Let a professional take a clear-eyed look at your situation.  It could very well be PTSD.  Please take care.  Lots of hugs to you.  
Peace, Seeker

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2004, 10:02:51 AM »
Dear sjkravill, I’m bringing your post to the top because I want you to see the replies here from these wonderful people, Max, Blue Topaz and Seeker. I remember the times when I have trembled too. Like Seeker, I witnessed an awful accident and helped out. I shook that night, before sleep. I also shook terribly when something irretrievably damaged a relationship, and the event took me back to my childhood fears. I didn’t know this at the time.

I want you to know that you are ill. You have something troubling you inside and it needs attention, it is demanding attention. This thing is not you. It is something like an illness, a virus, that can be healed or cured or removed. But it’s not you – so you don’t have to be strong, or cope, or deal with it alone.

I lost so much weight when I lived with an N partner for 6 months. That was enough for me. Once I left, suddenly there was life again, there were choices and there was my own mind. You have an obligation to yourself first! Tell your N, your parents, whoever, your friend - that you are ill and need help.

I’ve been thinking about you since you posted. I don’t want you to go back in 4 weeks. Do you?

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2004, 09:08:06 PM »
Thank you all for your kind, supportive responses.
I have stoped trembling and am slowly regaining my appetite.  Your suggestions about seeing someone about this really make sense.  But, since I like eating and the absence of trembling, I would highly prefer to distract myself (and taking in other forms of healing) instead, and see what happens. I have been continuing to talk it through with friends. I am trying to listen to my conflicted self...  I do have a therapist at home... So, right now I am planning on talking to her about this when I get back... Unless, I get brave enough to see someone here.

I feel conflicted about this relationship. I love my H dearly, and lately, there have been plenty of beautiful and wonderful times together.  I love his family too.  I really want to believe the mistreatment is in the past. I can't simply fit this into any kind of typical framework.  Then, there is another part of me that doesn't actually miss him too much... that wishes for freedom. I have a difficult time reconciling the two sets of feelings, the two experinces.  So many different feelings and issues complicate the situation for me.  

Someone said to me (in a conversation) "You're house is on fire and you're making coffee."  It appears so, doesn't it?  Although, I am not entirely convinced of the fire for whatever reason.

Thank you for your wisdom and support. I shal try to stay connected!
Peace, S

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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2004, 09:50:10 PM »
sjkravill,

Boy can I indentify with the conflicting/opposing feelings.   Each side has seemed just as strong.   I still have them from time to time, even though I am not dating xN anymore.

Now, from the point of view of being removed from the situation, I can see that I was not deciding between love and non love, or feeling this or that this person, but deciding between things inside of me.
It was about me, not him or our relationship.  

I was deciding between following unhealthy childhood scripts for their security and familiarity, and for trying to get some inner needs met, versus the emotional fear of what moving into a more healthy place relationship-wise (with someone else) would entail.    Or, versus what how being alone would feel (i.e. will I ever find someone again etc.)

I'm not sure if you will relate or not.  

It is so confusing, I know.   In the end, when I wanted a reality check for believing whether my xN had changed the damaging N trait behaviors, I'd ask myself "what did he actually do to heal"?   It was usually nothing but his words about his "realizations."

I came to get the truth through my thick, fantasizing head.  Unless he'd gone to counseling, support groups or done extensive reading and self work that he could tell me about in detail, nothing could change.    Impossible that it could without ongoing, active work on his part.  

I'm not certain as to whether your husband has done anything as such or not, or whether the changes are mostly professed in speech.   If it is the latter, as much as he might wish to change, willpower alone won't allow these kinds of core changes.  Not for anyone.  

They require some sort of extensive intervention, where awareness, acknowledgement, and understanding of one's feelings and behaviors are evoked, and where one is emotionally at a place where they are able to work with them.  

Anyway, it is great that you have someone at home that you can discuss what happened with your body, and discuss your conflicting feelings with.

Again, I know it's so hard.   I felt so trapped- like it would be too unbearably painful to leave & not have him in my life, but staying was so painful on a regular basis, too.

Please know that thoughts are with you.

Take care.

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2004, 10:42:14 AM »
Hi Blue Topaz, (I like your name)

I can really identify with you posts.  Thank you for sharing your story.

I love him dearly.  I hate the idea of ending my marriage.  Then there is another part of me that wants to be free and I am not sure I can be free within this marriage.  I am slowly sorting my inner feelings through.    

My H's changes are mostly 'realizations' which seem surprisingly insightful.  They don't come easily (mostly after months without sex or something), and I am still waiting to see how long they really last.  I am waiting to see if his behavior only changes form...

 I used to be addiment (sp?)  in my mind that he seek counseling or we seek marriage counseling, becuase it has been necessary for me to see and change myself.  But, he is so averse to it.  He came once but had nothing invested.  I finally started thinking maybe I should accept that he can see things and make changes without counseling. (though it may take a heck of a lot longer) .  As of late he has suggested we go to counseling together.  I told him I would be happy to go if he made the appointment... That was several months ago.  Some people are convinced counseling is necessary in this kind of case.  I still tend to agree.  I do appreciate your insight.  

Peace, Sjkravill

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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2004, 11:11:07 AM »
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I am going back to him in 4 weeks.

Anyone got any suggestions?


Yeah! DON'T GO BACK!!!!

You made it this far, why would you even DREAM of going back to an abusive person? I don't know your story, but it seems to me that you HAVE your answer already. You just want to hear all of us say it. So, here, I'll add my two cents in with everyone else: the man treats you badly. He frightens you. He has you trembling at the very thought of him. You're probably suffering from PTSD along with anxiety attacks, insomnia, AND you're not eating.

HELLO!!! This person is NOT GOOD for you! Get away! Get out of there! Oh, you already did that. Great, then STAY away from him!
"When 40-million people believe in a dumb idea it's still a DUMB IDEA!"

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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2004, 04:59:47 PM »
Sjkravill,

Thanks for the compliment re. my board name.   It is my birthstone plus my precious little kitty’s name (Topaz) :-)

I won’t write more on this afterwards because I see that you mentioned you are in the process of slowly sorting your feelings through.

I only wanted to leave you with some things that you may find helpful to watch for, during this process.  

My H's changes are mostly 'realizations' which seem surprisingly insightful. They don't come easily (mostly after months without sex or something), and I am still waiting to see how long they really last. I am waiting to see if his behavior only changes form...

Usually, with N’s or those with N traits, the insight realizations are really “hooks”, and they come at times where the N feels their relationship stability is threatened, or where something they want/need emotionally is threatened.    This would seem to fit with the timing when the “realizations” come with your husband, as well.    Sadly, I’ve experienced that the self wisdom is really just a disguised way of stating the ever cliché “but I’ve changed”….

Quite awhile back, when I joined another board of those with N partners, I was so surprised to hear the exact same thing, over & over, as other people’s experiences.   Their N’s & xN’s said all of the insightful things, too.    It wasn’t long before a pattern was established, and one could see that N’s use their “new found enlightenment” as hooks.    Many kinds of general abusers do the same, too.  

My xN would say insightful things that would knock my socks off, and I remember feeling so awestruck that he had the capacity to think like that in him.  It drew me to him even more wildly.  I was completely wrong though.    The words always ended up being nothing but hooks because something was going on in the relationship (I was not putting up with his unfair tactics at the time), and old behaviors would always return.  

At some times, I think they are capable of genuine insight, and might want to change at that moment, and even believe that they can at that moment they are speaking about changing.      

But, it has to fade, I think, as that kind of change can’t be done on words and willpower alone.  

If you want to know whether he is serious, it might be helpful to keep it in your mind, that anyone serious about deep self-change needs a concrete plan, and needs to follow through on that plan in terms of starting it, and showing they are staying with it, within a reasonable/fairly quick amount of time.   Other than that, the person is either probably not ready, or not wanting to make serious changes.

I just wanted to mention those things for your consideration at this important time of decision for you.  

I wish so much that I had more positive/hopeful things to say, and believe me, I wished the same when I was trying to reconcile & figure out what I should do myself. Having to stop dating N  nearly caused me a complete emotional/mental break-down (but good news is that one does get through it- I’m okay these days!).   I did believe in the mere self professed realizations without any other proof of self work, many times, and I was always proven wrong, and devastated.   Finally, I knew I needed to quit setting my own self up for the fall or I'd be a basket case soon.    But before that, I also needed to see for myself, as many times as it took, that the behavior would never change (without serious intervention).    

 I wasn’t married to my xN (not even living together-just dating) so I know it is different, as well.

As I mentioned, I really just wanted to write some things that you might consider while you are sorting out the whole thing.    

Best wishes & take good care of yourself.

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2004, 05:22:12 PM »
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I love him dearly.  I hate the idea of ending my marriage.  Then there is another part of me that wants to be free and I am not sure I can be free within this marriage.  I am slowly sorting my inner feelings through.


What does being free in a marriage mean to you? What does it look like?
   

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My H's changes are mostly 'realizations' which seem surprisingly insightful.  They don't come easily (mostly after months without sex or something), and I am still waiting to see how long they really last.  I am waiting to see if his behavior only changes form...


Realizations are pretty shallow compared to actions.

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As of late he has suggested we go to counseling together.  I told him I would be happy to go if he made the appointment... That was several months ago.  Some people are convinced counseling is necessary in this kind of case.  I still tend to agree.


Why wait for him to make the appointment? That seems like kind of an unnecessary power struggle. If you want to see a therapist, you can initiate the process without losing all your power.

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2004, 10:08:05 PM »
sjkravill

You are suffering from PTSD...there is absolutely no question about it.  Read the thread i started a while back "does the n get her just deserts"....i too went through 4 months of PTSD...no sleep, no appetite, high anxiety, nightmares, energy tremors, (trembling) high stress.....compulsiveness....all issues that i never in my life had ever experienced.....it wasn't until i did extensive research on the web, read many books, joined two support groups, went to shamanic healing, saw a theripist weekly, that the truth arrived....i had an 8 year relationship with a malignant NPD person.....and was nearly destroyed by this woman.

In my human experience I have NEVER experienced such pain.  YOU NEED TO RUN and RUN FAST.....you will be destroyed by this man

Good luck and GOD bless you

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2004, 06:32:44 AM »
Dear sjkravill
As you can see, there’s a lot of concern about you here. Your posts are touching people who want to help. We care, we really do. We can’t come and see you, look in your eyes, hold your hand and talk with you face to face. All we can do is post back.

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I love him dearly. I hate the idea of ending my marriage.
I found your first sentence stuck in my mind overnight. Then I noticed what it was followed by. I want to ask:

What do you love about him? I’d like to know, get to know what he’s like. I’m curious. When you feel good, when you feel love for him, how does that feel….?

What do you hate in the idea of ending your marriage? When you think “we’ll get divorced” or “I’ll leave him” (which?) – what pictures are in your head, or what words do you hear? Are these thoughts overwhelming?

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2004, 08:57:34 AM »
Dear Sjkravill,

Whenever I read your posts, I get the feeling that you are such a kind and giving person.  I hardly know you and already I want the very best for you.  And it seems to me that your H just isn't the best for you.  Sometimes I think we become attached to people for various reasons, but if our own welfare is at stake, I think we need to detach and move on.  Trust me, I know it is not easy...breaking away.  Yet on the other side of it all, there are other people waiting.  People who are kind and do care about what is best for other people.  I want that for you.  

Please take care of yourself.

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