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Certain Hope

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Betrayal - from N's perspective
« on: February 13, 2008, 10:03:25 PM »

Remember the sneer!

Displaying disdain and contempt for those whom he believes have betrayed him can confirm signs of narcissistic control. But betrayal, to a Narcissist, differs from what normal people experience.


For most people, betrayal usually means a deep violation of trust inflicted by someone with whom a close, personal relationship exists.
But, to a Narcissistic Controller, betrayal simply means that someone stopped pandering to his every want and need.
In other words, when someone breaks away from his control, he feels betrayed.
Since Narcissists do not have the capacity to develop close, trusting personal relationships,
there can be no deep violation of real trust.

When a Narcissistic Controller feels betrayed, contempt dominates his facial and verbal expressions.
The insolent, aloof sneer commonly accompanies expressions such as, "He didn't know who he was dealing with!" Or, "Doesn't he know who I am?"
 His real complaint--if he had the ability to see it--should be, "Don't you know who I think I am?"

This is not an exhaustive description of Narcissistic Controllers. It is the basics--the essentials. If you believe that you are already locked into a business or personal relationship with this kind of man, a later part of this series will explain suggested ways to deal with him.
But if you have recognized the features of someone like this man, and you are feeling caught inside his spell,
ask yourself a question: What part of me needs this man, so that I can feel good about myself?


All types of Controllers capitalize on manipulating that part in anyone which lacks self-esteem.
 Essentially, they feed off our uncertainties about our selves.
Find that shy, heart-broken or traumatized part of yourself and make friends with it. Get close to it, and it will help protect you from his deceptions, deceits, and ultimately, his inevitably egotistical scorn.

Before continuing on with this series, a word of caution about labeling people.

The severely self-centered type of Controller just described is known to professional clinicians as Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), which is the official "clinical diagnostic category" for such an individual. Other personality--disordered Controllers-Anti-Social, Borderline, Aggressive, Passive-Aggressive--will be covered in latter parts of this series. But explaining a personality profile in a purely clinical manner can be like bodysurfing down a glacier. Professional clinicians might reach the foot of the glacier in one piece, but it's not something to officially try, unless you're licensed to the teeth.

This series is written for people--not professionals. For our purposes here, a realistic, everyday explanation of Controller characteristics can be of greater direct benefit, since the aim of this series is to provide a practically useable guide for self-preservation-not a clinical analysis. Therefore, please do not use this material to pigeonhole everyone you meet with a "diagnosis." Leave treating people like pigeons to the professionals. 
 
 

excerpted from:  http://www.obgyn.net/displayarticle.asp?page=/yw/articles/Romeopart3

Bella_French

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2008, 12:40:10 AM »
I enjoyed reading that, Carolyn. Thanks for posting it.

For most people, betrayal usually means a deep violation of trust inflicted by someone with whom a close, personal relationship exists.
But, to a Narcissistic Controller, betrayal simply means that someone stopped pandering to his every want and need.
In other words, when someone breaks away from his control, he feels betrayed.


Its so true, and so well articulated.

X bella







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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2008, 07:50:18 AM »
everything is a betrayal to NPD I think.

you love them- they think you could love more; you love more- they're smothered and hate the intimacy.
They respond aggressively- you forgive- you don't really love them or you'd stop them.
You stop them- you're taking away their autonomy and emasculating them.
You move away, build yourself up- and you're threatening and mean now!
You give up and start doing whatever seems expedient in the moment- you've lost yourself and they don't respect or admire you any more and they obviously deserve better....

The logic of NPD is more than just me, me, me.
It's save/don't save me me me! At the same time.

You're the unconditional mother- who is hated for being the source of survival.

The control aspect comes out of the constantly shifting emotions and need to have them followed carefully to feel any way normal...and lack of empathy to see the effect all this has on those around.

If you're with a NPD person expect to be held responsible not only for whatever emotional needs are not perceived as being met in the moment but the irrational projected target of any needs which were never met and recipient of all due anger and punishment!

~W

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2008, 08:18:17 AM »
(((((((((CB))))))))) I am so sorry he's still at it. That's how it was for me, too... although he is the one who filed for divorce, I always knew that I was supposed to fight it. When I didn't fight it, he filed contempt of court charges against me... absolutely nuts. It will end, CB... when the judge slaps him up-side-the-head and says, "Enough already!"

Love  to you,
Carolyn

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2008, 09:06:28 AM »
everything is a betrayal to NPD I think.

you love them- they think you could love more; you love more- they're smothered and hate the intimacy.
They respond aggressively- you forgive- you don't really love them or you'd stop them.
You stop them- you're taking away their autonomy and emasculating them.
You move away, build yourself up- and you're threatening and mean now!
You give up and start doing whatever seems expedient in the moment- you've lost yourself and they don't respect or admire you any more and they obviously deserve better....

The logic of NPD is more than just me, me, me.
It's save/don't save me me me! At the same time.

You're the unconditional mother- who is hated for being the source of survival.

The control aspect comes out of the constantly shifting emotions and need to have them followed carefully to feel any way normal...and lack of empathy to see the effect all this has on those around.

If you're with a NPD person expect to be held responsible not only for whatever emotional needs are not perceived as being met in the moment but the irrational projected target of any needs which were never met and recipient of all due anger and punishment!

~W

Profound and  insightful, Write

Appreciated, resonate with accord.

You move away, build yourself up- and you're threatening and mean now!

You move away, build yourself up - find your feet - "how dare you have thoughts of being happy and fulfilled"  -- not allowed!!   Springs to mind.

Leah x
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April 2008 - "The Gaslight Effect" How to Spot & Survive by Dr. Robin Stern - freedom of understanding!

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2008, 09:46:22 AM »
CB says it perfectly:

It seemed to me that there was a master strategy (and I dont mean by that that it was conscious at all) to push me away so he could feel abandoned and then rage about it.....It felt a bit like the teenaged need to create autonomy.  It seemed that over and over again he was playing out the role of young man who needs to find his way in the world.  To play that part, I needed to be the mother who wouldnt let him go.  So, it seemed, he would set me up for that role over and over and then play the part of the valiant young man who was pursuing his life against all odds. 

The ghost can be mother or father or any other significant figure- even an employer or benefactor or sibling, someone who arrested his development at a crucial juncture, probably one where they had been identified as some kind of 'mother' or unconditional nurturer of something then caused extreme pain or rejection.

I look at my ex and it is like looking at a teenager in a middle-aged man sometimes. He even listens to a lot of the music we listened to back then, still identifies with it!

Gosh CB, court again. Good luck, hope it goes well for you.

~W

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2008, 12:16:27 PM »
When a Narcissistic Controller feels betrayed, contempt dominates his facial and verbal expressions.
The insolent, aloof sneer commonly accompanies expressions such as, "He didn't know who he was dealing with!" Or, "Doesn't he know who I am?"
 His real complaint--if he had the ability to see it--should be, "Don't you know who I think I am?"



"Who do you think I am  :shock:???"

Oh wow, when I read that this morning I had a wave of relief...I have never heard myself saying that to myself.

It would never even cross my mind to even think that way.

The betrayal of N siant, the deep wound that it has touched off with my mom is all about betrayal.


But for me, rather than saying "who do you think I am," I just feel deeply devalued and discarded.

The hurt, anger and deep burning feeling in my chest -- tears have been flowing all last night and all this morning :cry:

The place of the wound is the place of healing -- I'm there.

Thank you Carolyn -- great contribution -- much valued :wink:

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 03:18:36 PM »
Hi Write,
This was a great article...thanks for posting it. I would really like to read the rest of the series, but had trouble figuring out how to get there. If you know, could you post those links too?

Hi ((((((CB))))))))...I relate intensely to how it feels to be treated as a disliked mother by a husband. Went through it twice. In fact, I can't understate how much I loathe being used as a finish-up-my-rebellion-against-mother dartboard.

Now, one MAJOR red flag that would send me running would be a man whose face tightens when he speaks about his mother, or who says very little about her, or who says it was not a good relationship. My sympathies to him, but I'm outta there. I just couldn't do it again.

I find men who LIKE and RESPECT women, and have a few funny or affectionate stories about their mothers, much more appealing.

(Not that I ever meet anybody who asks me out...sighhh.)

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Re: Betrayal - from N's perspective
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 03:48:53 PM »
(Not that I ever meet anybody who asks me out...sighhh.)

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

me neither since I stopped being with abusers. I wonder sometimes- what is so wrong with me that only abusive people want to be married to me?! I get told all the time I am wonderful, which is nice, I do feel appreciated in all other areas of my life ( not parenting for the next hour though )
but what's the point if I have to live my whole life being abused or alone???
And what's the alternative? Capitulate, compromise, become gay?  :x Having a day I guess.
Had a pity-party day, not made any better by son's beligerant return just.

CH did the articles, this is the link she put excerpted from:  http://www.obgyn.net/displayarticle.asp?page=/yw/articles/Romeopart3

Love
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