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James

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2008, 09:17:20 AM »
Hi Betelgeuse...... My question doesn't pertain directly to the topic of this thread, but i am curious, have you ever read any of the works by Arthur Janov?   hope you are doing well James

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2008, 10:59:31 AM »
Dear Axa,
 When Scott died, God WAS an experience. I have had "experiences" with Him, before,but when Scott died, he was as "close as a brother" as the Bible says.                                                      Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2008, 11:19:58 AM »
B,

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You know, I believe Stalin was DEEP into astrology.

Have never heard that and can't find any evidence for it. Several prominent Nazis were.
Is astrology a religion and does it imply a god?
I suppose it is some type of nature worship and some people take it seriously, but I imagine the vast majority of people consider it mindless entertainment, whether believers, agnostics or atheists.

My point about Stalin and Mao is that the evil done by atheists doesn't mean there is a god anymore than the evil done by believers means there isn't. It just means people do evil things.
If a child is raised in a loving home and becomes a criminal it is a reflection on him and his choices not his parents.
The god of abuse and ritual is not God, it is a creation of man. The God of comfort and love and relationship that others have written of is very real, I believe.

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2008, 01:05:10 PM »
Free will of man and woman means choice; a choice to do that which is healthy, helpful and wholesome for someone, or to do that which is unhealthy, and yes, abusive -- some may say, plain evil (that taboo word).

The one true God of the Bible (and not just a god) however, is a God of comfort, love, and guidance, for good.

Likewise, having read people's heartrending posts, I too, have been abused in the guise of "religion" -- in organized "religion" wherein the hierarchy / leaders / lay people --- simply "Twist the Scriptures" to suit their dogmas and/or manipulative purpose etc (fear and control).

There is a huge difference, in taking scripture in context as it was, and is, written -- and twisting the scripture, with deliberate misinterpretation. 

The thing is, who twists the scripture?  Certainly, not God.

Presently, I am reading a book entitled "Twisted Scriptures" by Mary Alice Chrnalogar (Breaking Free from Churches that Abuse). 

Churches and those in leadership etc., are the abusers --- not God.

The God of the Bible, whom I personally know, love and serve - has only ever been a God of comfort, love and guidance, working to the good, for me, in my life.  My abusers made their own free will choice to behave as they did, against me, and against others too.

What helped me, was studying the scriptures, just as the Bereans did, and they knew the scrolls, so how much more should I check to see if what has been said is true, or not! 
   
Love to all,

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2008, 11:39:58 PM »
Doggone, Mud.
I am believing you.

I loathe holy texts though.

How many people have been beaten to death with books because human beings have figured out how to scribble on stone or in ink or whatever and that little wiggly symbolism turns into WORDS which are taken for REALITY and used as pretext for VIOLENCE?

Arrrgh. Mateys.

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mudpuppy

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2008, 09:03:01 PM »
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How many people have been beaten to death with books because human beings have figured out how to scribble on stone or in ink or whatever and that little wiggly symbolism turns into WORDS which are taken for REALITY and used as pretext for VIOLENCE?

If someone takes words and does the opposite of what they say, has the evil proceeded from the words or the heart of the person?
Are words or ideas not valid nor trustworthy because evil people misuse them?
If people of goodwill properly follow the same words and ideas to do enormous good what is gained by dishonoring the words?
Evil will always find a pretext to justify itself; good on the other hand often needs prompting.

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2008, 10:47:16 PM »
I know, dear.
If everyone accepted that The Golden Rule trumps absolutely everything else in the book, we'd all be fine.

But there are those pesky parts that are used to damn people.

Just ain't right.

I take your point, Mud.

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Re: Abuse and religion
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2008, 02:17:03 AM »
Moi aussi Mud,

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