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Elaine1966

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Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« on: April 04, 2008, 02:27:17 PM »
Hi to you all!

As some of you may know, I was planning a trip to the Dominican Republic over Spring Break to get away from my N-Fiance.  Well, I thought I would write you all and give an update.  We are still together as of today.  I did leave and go to the DR and had a blast.  About a week before I left, my fiance started changing his whole tune about me, him, and us.  He has (at least for now) done a 360 turn.  How long it will last......don't know!  He is reading several books I recommended, he is going to counseling and has been treating me a like a queen.  It has been really amazing to see this man transform into a decent man.  Now....I am still in counseling and totally have my guard up, a part of me is just waiting for the bottom to fall out!  He spent about a week apologizing to me over and over about his past behavior and treatment of me. His boys say they have noticed a change in their dad as well.  They see him using techniques the counselor advises him to use.  I am glad he is doing all this, but per my counselor, she thinks it is a matter of time before the old him will begin to appear again.  At this point.....time will tell all!

I just live day by day and he is now fully aware that if I begin to see the "old him" come out....I will be gone in a flash! 

Hope everyone, new and old, is doing well on the board.  You guys have been great for me in my times of need and I thank you!

Take care,
((((((((((Elaine))))))))))))

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 02:31:14 PM »
Elaine,
I am happy things seem better. But I wonder, do you really want to spend your life in a relationship waiting for it to turn bad? I sure as Hell wouldn't.
What happened with his first wife, since you said he has children?

Welcome home and lots of love.
Beth
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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 02:38:40 PM »
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but per my counselor, she thinks it is a matter of time before the old him will begin to appear again.  At this point.....time will tell all!

Unfortunately sometimes it is not time that tells all but an act of commitment. Some Ns may be capable of relatively decent behavior indefinitely until the target makes a nearly irrevocable commitment at which point he can revert to standard operating procedure.

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 02:49:50 PM »
Dear Elaine,
 This may be an unpopular opinion, but I would look inside myself to see what in me caused me to be attracted to an N, in the first place.That would be the place to start, rather than if he could maintain his "changes" .
 Many people would run so far away from an N that it would not be funny. There is s/thing inside us that causes us NOT to. I would investigate what that part was.  Sorry for the "negative" answer, but that is how I see it. Compost what doesn't fit.
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Elaine1966

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 04:58:59 PM »
WOW, you all are right!  You pointed out some things that I didn't even think of!  I am skeptical of his changes and do not think they are forever, but it is so hard to shut the door in his face while he is trying so hard.  I have to see the "ugly N" again before I am convinced that he can't change.  I always look for the good in people and maybe that is sometimes to a fault for myself.

Beth, you asked about his ex-wife, she was killed in a car accident.  They were divorced at the time

I will keep you all updated.

Thanks for your insight, I am taking it all in.

Hugs,
Elaine

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 05:34:12 PM »
Elaine,
I am sorry to hear that. It must have been very hard for the boys. How are they doing?
Love, Beth
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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 10:58:57 PM »
Beth, i wanted to respond to your last question.  I am so sorry I have had computer problems and haven't had a chance to check the board.  As far as "the boys" they are doing, Okay.  They have their good days and bad days.  This is one reason why i think I have had guilty feelings about leaving my Nfiance.  Even though he is trying very hard to be a different person, a better person.  I am really impressed with his efforts.

Thanks for asking.

Hope all is well to all,
Elaine

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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 02:17:01 AM »
Mud,

My experience exactly, the day I made the committment, Mr Damaged but Nice Guy disappeared and Mr Monster settled in for the games

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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2008, 06:34:30 AM »
Me too, Mud.

In my case it was my wedding night when Mr. Hyde appeared.
Worst night of my life.

Hops
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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 07:34:12 AM »
Sounds like me as well.  My monster came out on the honeymoon-trapped on a boat!  I spent the first year walking on egg shells then I pointed to the door and yelled THERE IS THE DOOR-WALK THROUGH IT!  It has not been a able walk by any means since then but it has been better.
Kelly

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2008, 09:00:33 AM »
Elaine......

I think he'll be good enough, long enough......

that when you do finally commit he'll think he can do anything to you....

and get away with it.

As good as the courting process feels.....

the next phase will be it's equall in strength.

The depths of pain and suffering..... with the added misfortune of watching his children go round and round in the middle. 

Sending you strength to be happy on your own and make happy choices.

Lighter


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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 11:20:21 PM »
Hops, Axa and Overcomer:
What is so true with all that you say is I am so sure your all right but with him working so hard at being a better person, better partner etc., it makes it impossible to leave him.  I am so happy with how he is currently treating me that I can't imagine leaving him.  My counselor says, "well, you have to see it yourself."  My counselor speaks with his counselor (he signed a release) and what is being said about him is that he is a very unhealthy man.  His counselor has now officially diagnosed him as "N."  She tells my counselor that I need to run the other direction.  She thinks he will act and behave in this manner however long he has too until I am stuck with him (back under his roof or married to him).

I do understand all this, but how do you leave someone you love so much who is treating you like a queen, being very supportive, loving, caring and kind?????  I just feel like I am living in the moment, day by day!  It's very confusing and difficult. 

Elaine

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 11:41:08 PM »
Elaine,

Reading your last post just catupulted me back to being with XN.  I also remember the "kindness" the"hugs" the "promises" and how seductive they were.  I know I waited until I was nearly broken before I understood that I was worth more than a few crumbs to set me up for further abuse.  My sense is that you so want him to be the person he is acting out at the moment.  I almost sacrificed my sanity for those little crumbs mostly because I was afraid of being alone.  I was convinced that I could not manage without him, that life would be too scary, this is part of the abuse.  If you are anything like me you are watching and waiting right now.  This takes up so much energy that it is difficult to have your own life, its like waiting for a ticking bomb to explode.  How do you leave him?  You leave him by leaving him - so simple and so, so hard.  Leaving him means you face the sadness and pain, the loss of what might have been but really never could be. 

I came on here before I left XN, knowing I would have to face the truth sooner or later, not wanting to, desperatly wanting to be wrong about him being an N but my gut was right.  I wanted to avoid all of the pain and SHAME which was killing me.  The irony was that, difficult as it was, it was not as bad as being with him.  And there really is life after Ns.  I know you can only do what you can do right now.  My suggestion to you is to listen to your gut not your head rationalising his behaviour, read and read and read all about Ns, keep up the therapy, build up the most supportive network you can for yourself and pray that you get the strength to know you are worth more than being a plaything for an N.

Thinking of you and wishing you courage,

axa

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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 06:09:41 AM »
She's not responding to me but.....

she probably deserves more than an emotoinal terrorist placed in a positoin of trust in her life.

But wouldn't it be lovely if that kind of person.....

could change.....

just for us?

How special would that be?

Having a nice man,

be nice?

Any old somebody can have that.

Lighter


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Re: Hi Everyone - Wanted to give update - Been out of touch!
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 09:19:19 AM »
I have a husband who treats me nicely all the time and whom I can completely trust all the time. I never wonder when he will "turn bad." I don't have drama, and I am so grateful for that. I also know I can be human and less than perfect with him.
I have never stayed with a man who would not love and respect me. I don't know why I have been blessed to not want that in my life.
In time, you will be miserable. Do you enjoy the drama? It sounds like it is a game for you - fun in some way?
Did you grow up with drama?
Love, Beth
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