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« on: August 07, 2004, 03:35:59 AM »
Why is it people who call themselves Christians always want you to believe as they do and assume you must be convinced to  like thier god?

Than when you say you don't want thier god,don't believe thier bible,dont want ANY part of thier religion they don't believe you? And after this  why don't they just drop the subject?

Why do Christians say offensive stuff and pretend it ain't offensive just because it is in thier bible,claiming it's TRUE and they  imply I should not be offended when it's thier religion  itself that is offensive to me and thier salesmanship? Why do so many "well meaning" christians sometimes before  they say rude stuff offer a lame pre apology ,They are admitting they know full well what they are going to say is offensive,so why do they SAY it? And get all bent when you say it IS offensive? D'Oh.

Why do lame christians when you bring up the cruelty in some christians NEVER look at the FLAWS in thier texts and intead say those people aren't Reral christians...what a  cowardly,pass the buck kinda excuse.

Why is it the minute you show any sign of distress it's the christians who jump on the idea that since  you are not a christian that MUST be the source of your problems  assuming as if I never heard of or tried to deal with thier failure of as god before?? In this country alot of people are brought op Christian and have this dogma installed by parents. Some adopt it and fall out in two years,Others are committed cultists.
I have tried jesus accepted him intto my heart got baptized and I  renounce it too. I don't want heaven  if it's eternity with the Jesus creep.
Christians seem uninterested in hearing my experince of how thier god failed me,how thier god hurts humanity and how christian followers are  self absorbed ,one track obessed, brainwashed. When they behave this way!

I am so weary of conversion attempts and lame pladitudes.
I think the concept of hell is very abusive,I think orginal sin is cruel,and I think the bible is a veryl socially destructive book and it certainly has no morality in it.I think the Christian God is a capricious bully.I think fundies and bible literalists,dominionists and theocrats  worship a demonic thing that appears as Jesus to them.

I think Christians are nothing but religion salespeople trying to make the world be as they are by any means they can.Believing any  religion is a choice..And I choose to reject Christianity in all it's forms.I don't believe hell is a sane concept or just, in fact it's sociopathic and it cannot ever be made"good". Jesus and his father  are fantasy  sociopaths. Invisible sociopaths that extort  people with a book of contradictions, questionable authenticitya lie  from on high that  makes  followers act callous and crazy.

Any help you might get  from a christian tends to come with a steep emotional price tag, you must  listen to the sales pitch to get the food ,play thier silly fear monger games hoping they'll say something useful without Jesus dominating it,and pretend to not  be offended at thier offensive beliefs they are  so intent on pushing into you ..and I hate it all.

Why can't a christian just put a sock in it for awhile and relate to me like an equal human being and keep thier God out of the conversation? Why can't they JUST HELP and shuddap about thier stupid  god?I can do this.Not everything I say or every advice I offer  is couched as a glory to Sekhmet. So why do christians get a be an asshole and get a get  away with it for free card so much?
I know if every other thing I say was selling Sekhmet people would tire of me quickly. So I keep it to myself.Unless I am asked or talking about myself.Conversion is just sick.But it seems Christians just loove trying.
I have had it with christianity and the stunning ignorance so many christians display about the ugly origins of thier bible,the roman emporor editing job,the evil in the bible,that God himself does..What about the moral bankruptcy churches get away with? I wish That screwy religion was never invented!

Gnostics by all historuical evidences, are the real original christians anyway,but bible literalists do a great job at  ignoring the evidence that the gnostic books were written  long before the bible was  made up,and the gnostic texts contain parts of the texts that were edited in by rome to make  up what was to be the king james Bible. Texts of the bible  were selected out of the Gnostic texts by power monger clergy.. Gnostics were syncrenestic.Pagan christian mixtures seeking thier own link to the god head and this god too many forms..Gnostics got more truth in thier little finger than all of modern Christianity.
Bible literalism is destroying humanities mind it's rotting humanity  from the heart..

I am sad people can't  just toss out the written corruption from the bible. Roman Emporors tossed out plenty from the gnostic-christian texts.. But the modern church is cowardly and lets such evils in that book go unchallenged.

I think I am just tired.Tired of the bigots who act like assholes for Jesus and get away with it.
I am tired of not being treated like an equal when my beliefs are different than thiers.

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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2004, 04:07:48 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2004, 07:03:37 AM »
Religion is an out moded method of controlling the masses! Only now, we know better and ignore it, them and that!

I declared the Independent Republic of David a few years ago. I decided to go it alone without state or religeous interference. I feel great these days. I took ownership of moi....and stopped allowing others to dictate how I lead my life. It's a very freeing experience. I pay the very minimum of tax boardering on evasion. I don't care as I own nothing....lots of cash stashed away, but only rental property and the freedom to come and go as I please.

I don't play the 'game' anymore...I look after me and my family period.

I was exposed to the shear bullshit of religion for a prolonged period of time as a child. Their was only one problem for the Catholic faith.....and that was science! Truth hurts, especially when you're preaching BS. I bought into fact, science, and dropped the fiction of the church!

I think all religions should be prescribed. That is there should be no religion! Not one or one thousan, none! That way we'd all get along a lot better, with many fewer deaths around the world! Just look at how the rag heads, under the name of the Ala, are killing themselves needlessly in the Middle East right now! The Republic of David lives in the 21st century......and not the 10th!

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2004, 07:05:03 AM »
The above was me  :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2004, 12:34:08 PM »
As an adult, you don't have to listen to any prosletyzing by Christians. Who is trying to talk to you? Are you able to end the conversation ?  I'm Jewish and no Christian attempts to convert me. In the rare event that someone talks to me about Jesus, I quickly and sincerely agree with them that Jesus is the savior so that they go away (this has only happened once, in the checkout line at a health food store).

Bottom line, our boundaries can make stupid people go away. You don't have to listen to any crap from anyone. This also eliminates caring about Christians and their beliefs. I say live and let live.

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2004, 01:25:11 PM »
Bunny wrote:

Bottom line, our boundaries can make stupid people go away.



Christian or non, I think the above truly says it best!

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2004, 05:07:55 PM »
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I think I am just tired.Tired of the bigots who act like assholes for Jesus and get away with it.
I am tired of not being treated like an equal when my beliefs are different than thiers.


People who you get tired around are sapping your energy - so stay away from them. You choose to stay around them. Change your choice. And get your energy back!

You want to be treated as an equal? Find people who treat you as an equal and stick around them.

Have you ever seen someone trying to tell a lie to a cat? The cat takes absolutely no notice.  8) Wonderful. Choose to smile?  :D  :?:  Cat-lover also P

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 06:34:42 AM »
You can't choose.
It is part of the "mileu" so to speak.

What my rant was about wasen't so much a particular annoying fundie,
I don't associate with religion salespeople...
It's more the pervasive influence everywhere.
For example say I'm  watching Adult Swim and here an ad for Christian Music comes on and I hear the vomitile servile glory crap SoI grab the remote and hit  mute it,but out of the corner of  my eye(while waiting for Aqua teens) I see the dazed  idiots with thier hands up,and I get triggered, and memories intrude.
Yeah I know it's my problem that I get triggered  but I didn't put it there!
And I haven't been able to undo that one yet..But I like Adult Swim and there ain't much TV I  like to watch.

Then you got the president chimpy,telling the world crap like god is guiding his rPesidency as he takes us into war over a LIE,(no wonder he is such an ass,and he is so sick)And politicians  invoke god ,And it makes me cringe.To think the president is not only stupid but a bible literalist..it  freaks me out.Obviously he should not be trusted to be capable of thinking soundly if he thinks god directs his every move,and he believes in armageddon especially with forigen policy in the middle east!

Then the poster above calling arabic people"Rag Heads" The fucking bigotry of that comment is so fallwell it makes me sick,FYI.
Allah(correct spelling of the muslim god for the bigot's benifiet so she won't look so ignorant when she shows her ass) Is not much better morally than Yaweh or any other abrahamic or authoritarian based reward and punishment kind of sick  diety..Jesus,Allah same gross  god different font.

The Palistinians and Iraqis have been exploited by corporations,American ones like Haliburton for years.Thier babies are deformed with depleted uranium and unexploded daisy cutters and mines from our bombs, blow random kids animals and innocent adults who touch them to bits.The Iraqis have suffered horrors at the hands of our crazy bully mercinary corporate military,Horror we here in America have seen  on 9/11, except the Iraqis have a 9/11 every day.No wonder they become terrorists they are being abused by an overwhelming tyrannical force that is occupying thier country and abusing thier families.The Iraqis don't have many options to say no to domineering America in a way that says how much they mean it .And our taxes fund awful shit like Abu Gharib  and the torture of prisoners and  rape of iraqi kids..by sadistic  rednecks like England,and our evil" intellegence".(I hope England's baby is taken from her when it's born she  is an obvious sadistic abuser of human beings with no compassion or morality in her.)

Bush's best business buddies are the Saudis (the short sighted car dependant suburbian lifestyles we have bought into and call the American Dream are partly to blame here).

Remember most of the 9-11 perps were Saudis ..and  none were Iraqi.. Rumsfeld and his kind of people in the disgusting reagan admin funded and set up The taliban(to battle russia to steal caspian sea oil in afganistan that was really just sludge hence no humanitarian aid going to them now ) And The US set up and funded Saddam's regime too .
In my opinionit's  the rich machivellian traitor Ceo's,the ultra rich unaccountable PIGS that are loyal to nobody but themselves are whom is to blame for ruining and stealing all over the planet.. it is THEY who need people to go to wars ,buy shit they don't need,be distracted with traumas and religion,they set up and profit from ,They need bigotry and fear  in people's hearts,the wealthy political parasites underfund child protection services,disability and the social safety net because they want people insecure because it means cheap labor and they want to kill off the poor slowly.It's  because they know traumatized people are easier to control,use, manipulate and exploit.Religion is a tool of tyrants that puts catch 22's in your mind.Servile and cocercive  religions  like Christianity is a great tool for these so called'elite'people to control people with .Teaching scared parents that  to fear god is "good" and so it's easy for parents  to inject it into thier chattel,thier kids ..So the next generation is traumatized ,too  messing up social transformation of consiousness, stuck in a position of fear,reaction and  servility preventing advances in  human equality,mental heath,and community solidarity and  empowerment .It's because they know they plunder the wealth of nations because they can get away with it, they are hypocrites,and they know if we knew who they are and understood the extent of the damage they do to us all we'd depose them and take thier wealth and power back throw away thier religions and work ethics,and help each other heal and never let smmoth talking promise making sociopaths like that no matter how normal they appear  have any authority or trust..once they become corrupt enough to try to convince whom they govern they  require privacy or blind obedience and faithful loyalty.

But it takes emotional strength to look at ugly realities like this and not call it conspirasy or some such dissmissive term so you never have to feel the shame of being a slave who was fooled with the illusion of freedom.To never aknowlege your level of sucess and weath enjoyed here in America  requires someone else to go without.
It is the kids of the poor who are forced by poverty pressure or draft go to the frontlines in a war,not senators or Ceo's kids.

So When I speak of Christianity I see deep social double standards that drive societies into internal conflicts.. I see the cognitive pain of a damaging  catch 22 tear an individual whom I love apart,I see terrorized kids who because they are young,and don't get metaphors can't wrap thier mind around the concepts like original sin or eternal torture in hell spouting off crap thier church teaches in the grocery store...Preachers couching eternal torture or the book of Joshua genocide  as "good" in a world of suffering allegedy  made by an all loving God is the worst sort of moral relativism mindfuck ever invented.

I see people everyday, anywhere struggling with things like being exploited,being told lies,being used,hurt,discounted ,humiliated,abused..Wanting something more powerful than calgon to take them away from this existensial suffering...And Christianity is a big huge poisonous lie to put salt in the wounds  our existance in a world full of traumas causes..to hearts.

So I am accosted one way or another all the time  by the big pervasive christian lie or it's horrible effects. I can't escape it.

It's in my memories, in my partner's traumas,my mom is Christian (she doesen't bring it up but she has a bible in the livingroom and when I see it I want to get my lighter out),It's in stupid christian commercials,on non religious channels,It's bigotry slyly fostered by rightwing fundies like fallwell(the rag head comment, or my transgender freind roxy getting rocks tossed at her because she is the wrong gender in the wrong clothing according to the bible,.It's another dickwad coming up to me as if they were freindly and starting a normal enough conversation... and then on the sly he's bringing up the proseletyzing.)It's all the "Under Gods" and "In God We Trust " bullshit,It's jesus fishes on Environment killing SUV's  with 1 person in it ,using oil like it's water,oil that  fund the Saudis who fund the Tailiban who did 9/11 that got Bush the boy king with a personal pipeline to Jesus, the monster mindfuck on a stick, that  constitution destroying patriot act rushed through a congress who didn't even bother to READ it before they made the fucker a law.


Oh and Do not get me started on asscrack,Oh,Ashcroft..I know how crazy Assemblies of God is firsthand ,I was in that sick  bullshit for two years and was royally manipulated and tithed(robbed by cocercion and new age seed money kinds of amway like bible  theory)when I was emotionally vunerable trying to get off SSI because I felt like a loser because in our culture if you don't try to get a job and be in dee pen dant you are somehow less than dirt..(puritan christian work ethic kinda lies("Success"What do YOU doi for a living questions that makes everyone who is on the dole and ashamed of it because they half believe the pulling up bootraps crap republicans self servingly cram down the poor people's  throats as kids .The bullshit carrot kids learn to strive for,in this cocercive abusive ,poverty strife,and greed driven culture starting from day one).(Daddy wants a doctor, mommy wants a lawyer,kid wants to be who they want to be as soon as they figure it out)

Shit why do we pay the wealthy who have plenty just to exist (food once grew out of the Earth for free,and water was free until someone decided  they were entitled to OWN it all and too many  fools believed them...)while others who contribute nothing but bullshit are entitled to lives of ease and luxury based on familial ties,old boy networks,class,based in  thievery and usury  done by robber baron warloards using child labor to build thier financial wealth on the backs of"lesser" people?
The fundie republicans criminalize poverty, just ask a homeless person,
And the republican fundies  think proof that they are chosen by god is thier  inherited stolen wealth and thier lording over poor people.They don't work they don't need they just want and get... but these rich jerks who never have to scrape by, think they are capable of determining how much  the poor should be able to survive on in thier sicko self serving classist system they convinced the masses isn't classest using the Horatio Algier myth built upon the old lie that Christian Puritan work Ethic?

Over the Gate of Auswitch which Prescott Bush helped fund it said "Work makes you free". What a phenomenal load of shit.I don't see any debutantes washing toilets or digging ditches do you?? And they have more freedom from the rigors of struggle for survival than anyone else I know.
And Jesus helps monsters and creates monster out of people and it puts monsters in hearts and minds.Monsters people are duped into calling good until the moral relativism makes them morally destitute and ruined waiting to hear gods voice to tell them,right or wrong,rifling through bible to find out..Never questioning the evil is in god thier god who thought it was great sport to convince Abraham that sacrficing his son, a murder ,turned attempted murder,is good.I bet Issac was terrified.The bible convienently has nothing to say about Issacs feelings about nearly being killed by his own father the fanatic listening to voices.

So yes I am very frustrated. and sad..

Because I care..I care about quality of life,my life and  everyones elses life. I am aware it does not have to be like this if people would just stop running away..and evading the existential reality and seek to take away it's power to opress them..I am a social creature,and I have empathy too.And a moral understanding of right and wrong based in my empathy and experinces.
I can't live in a closet and just choose not to live because Christianity has so polluted  other people and invaded public space..
Frankly this craziness,bigotry,fanaticism, and abuse of power going on right now can be seen almost everywhere it scares the living shit out of me. But someone somehere has to say it,nobody else does.So when we all evade things stay sick  like this.

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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2004, 07:23:26 AM »
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Because I care..I care about quality of life,my life and everyones elses life. I am aware it does not have to be like this if people would just stop running away..and evading the existential reality and seek to take away it's power to opress them..I am a social creature,and I have empathy too.And a moral understanding of right and wrong based in my empathy and experinces.
I can't live in a closet and just choose not to live because Christianity has so polluted other people and invaded public space..
Frankly this craziness,bigotry,fanaticism, and abuse of power going on right now can be seen almost everywhere it scares the living shit out of me. But someone somehere has to say it,nobody else does.So when we all evade things stay sick like this.


Feline,

if you are not opposed to all religion....check out
www.dhamma.org

They have retreats all over North America if that is where you are at.  
I did this retreat in Thailand years ago.  There wasn't much privacy as I recall and lots of *silent meditation time*  but I did leave feeling more at peace.  And another stepping stone to healing.
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2004, 12:15:25 PM »
Feline,

I'm wondering if this is really about Christian tv commercials and the political world situation, or more about your personal situation.  :?:

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2004, 01:35:34 PM »
Maybe both

I am not around any Christians now.

My partner is gnostic.He has glee dismanting christians.I have no problem hearing of his intellectual forays at getting a cristian out of the faith stupor,and  his waking them up.
Me myself  I am not of any  particular belief type.I have explored many  kinds of beliefs including buddhism,Satanism,AoG,Medicine,witchcraft,Higgh magick,Qabala.I do active meditation  in art beadwork leatherwork ect. I got a  sorta a feline masked magical medicine kinda spirituality,it's my own path that uses wisdom from many sources combined in a way that works.It is revised all the time when new wisdom challenges me or experinces change my understanding.My mind is flexible because I dunno what I am or why I'm here or what is in the unknown until I see it myself?.
I don't know if there is a god or gods or if it's just our collective unconsious and archetypes working to restore our lost one ness...
And frankly I am beyond trying to figure it all out.Because it's futile.Every religion is a hopeful guess and alotta shit and a few grains of wisdom, and  some pointless  behavior mod carrots and sticks...There is no "reason" for the things that happen to living things here why life has to kill and eat living things to live.Evolution is cruel,life is violent and flawed.It's just mindless chaos sometimes it's personal,sometimes it's not.The only thing I can do is not be as sick as the world is and choose to keep my integrity over my own pleasure,power or  survival,have some compassion for others and myself,don't run away from life and lie, and take my pain out on others blindly.
If I die I die ,so? we all are born to reproduce and die.It makes no sense...and if that's all there is to an "afterlife" Doh,I never had a choice anyways..But if there's an afterlife and I can prevent it, all I know is I wanna be as far AWAY from here and any realm like this one as I can get.

And I also realize I might not have any control over my afterlife destiny  too. I can go to the"clear light" and be born in a body right back here too.L I had no control being born in this wrong body to my messed up  parents living at this time and this  place. I dunno why I exist or why I am aware of my existance.I dunno what makes a body "alive" and what happens in "death"or why aging and sickness occurs it sucks tho.I see no evidence my spirit" choose to manifest in  this cruelty laced limited nasty short and brutish, life I find myself stuck in on this fucked up planet full of traumas that does not have to be as bad like this..If people just tried to heal each other and themselves more.
I am an exisentialist and if there is a god/dess that governs this world it's an archon,so I am malthiest about god or convinced this god(s) is/are a limited falliable creature(s) like us in many ways that can't or wont help it's creation heal for some reason I cannot excuse or because the beings are prevented from helping,ignorant, limited like us, stupid,mindless,predatory or mean..but my way through this exitenstial understanding  of life is in  choosing, because I can ,by my own will to behave differently than the world full of chaos ,bullies,lies and cruelty addiction and domination I encounter everyday does. I am responsible for maintaining  my own  integrity,my actions and my words.And If I want a better life I gotta do something to make life better,
Now one thing is I am damn unhappy sometimes. and I think most of the world is miserable too. Content people don't abuse people or compulsively consume and play defensive or evasive mindgames. Mentally healthy people don't have such defended egos.
I don't think people can even imagine sanity outside of a cultural conformity framework.
I don't think I have ever met a sane person.
And all of this just makes me very very sad and concerned.
Because for all it's flaws there are things that are beautiful here,and it takes my breath away,everyday there is beauty..I cry in awe at sunsets and thunderstorms,I cry in joy  when my cats move my heart with thier adorableness.I love the woods and the smell of the Earth,My partner is so sweet sometimes and funny,my mom is funny and sweet too sometimes. I love when I make a piece of art and I dazzle myself with it. I love creative things art cartoons,costumes glitter,poetry..
 This is from a old book I had since I was a kid called Silver Pennies..
My sisters and I would read from it together.


      MY Soul goes clad in gorgeous things,
      Scarlet and gold and blue,
      And at her shoulder sudden wings
      Like long flames flicker through.

      And she is swallow-fleet, and free
      From mortal bonds and bars.
      She laughs, because Eternity
      Blossoms for her with stars!

      O folk who scorn my stiff gray gown,
      My dull and foolish face,
      Can ye not see my Soul flash down,
      A singing flame through space?

      And folk, whose earth-stained looks I hate,
      Why may I not divine
      Your Souls, that must be passionate,
       Shining, and swift as mine?

        Fannie Steams Davis

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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2004, 02:38:20 PM »
feline,

It seems unlikely that you've met no sane people. Possibly you didn't want to deal with sane people and vice versa.

I don't think it matters what religion you and your partner are. You can easily make yourself miserable by always thinking about the abuse in the world. That would effectively end any happiness. But that's a choice. Right?

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2004, 06:32:55 AM »
Should I just forgetaboutitall? put my fingers in my ears and choose to pretend to be happy? As if I force it it will just magically be made true?
I was hurt when other people saw what happened  to me and decided to forgetaboutit too.
Sometimes it gets to me sometimes not.
I post here when it gets to me.
I refuse to deny it is happening and numb it out.
Numbing out the world  is one way I became sick.
And tell me what is a sane person like?
I am very curious.

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2004, 10:06:39 AM »
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Should I just forgetaboutitall?


No. You shouldn't forget about it. You may choose at some point to put it in perspective so that you can experience a relatively happy life. Remember the old serenity prayer?

"God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference."


Quote from: Feline
And tell me what is a sane person like?
I am very curious.


A sane person is one who thinks the serenity prayer is the way to go.

bunny

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2004, 10:08:38 AM »
Oh, one more thing.

For "God" in that prayer, substitute anything you want.

bunny