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Gabben

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Ambient abuse
« on: April 23, 2008, 02:23:17 PM »
Lately, I have been thinking about ambient abuse. I brought this up on the smoke screen and mirrors thread. It has recently occurred to me to look at the ways that I suffered from this form of abuse in my life...there seems to be a draw from me towards people that use this very devious and subtle way of hurting others.

I think that because it is so hard to detect and for others to see it that it creates an intense feeling of helplessness. Learning to care for myself has been learning to accept and love that part of myself that was helpless as a small child. My mom did not respond to my helplessness, of course, we all know that N's despise helplessness and emotional weakness, which is what a small child is.

So I am looking at the ways that I struggle with helplessness in my life such as taking up mild occasional smoking again, an addiction I am helpless with and that I return to time and time again when I am coping with stress. Perhaps, I should not be so hard on myself? Or, allowing myself to be abused or, at the very least, bothered by N-saint still when I am helpless to do anything to change the past -- all I can do is keep moving forward.

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This is a clip from Vankin's stuff (I'm not big on him but there is some insightful stuff there).

Ambient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late. Ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything – but is difficult to pinpoint and identify. It is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse. Hence its insidious and pernicious effects. It is by far the most dangerous kind of abuse there is.

It is the outcome of fear – fear of violence, fear of the unknown, fear of the unpredictable, the capricious, and the arbitrary. It is perpetrated by dropping subtle hints, by disorienting, by constant – and unnecessary – lying, by persistent doubting and demeaning, and by inspiring an air of unmitigated gloom and doom ("gaslighting").

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Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 02:29:20 PM »
Here is the link to the full article:

http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse10.html

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 02:32:33 PM »
hi Lise,
I really wasn't kidding when I asked if you might consider referring to her as Nsinner.

I think repetition of a loaded word kind of reinforces it as "true" in your subconscious.

Maybe if she's just of the mud like everyone, she'll lose some of her power in your mind?

Hope that's helpful, toss if not...

Hops
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Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 02:36:46 PM »
Hops ---- I'm growing to like you :D

Thanks.

Yes, I saw that when you wrote, "Nsinner" it made me smile.

It is good to have someone validate her mud.

Recently, I purchased the book Psychopaths Next Door, apparently, it is supposed to relieve any and all self-doubt I may have still lingering regarding N saint and to finally leave the drama/trauma behind me...slowly I'll get there.

Then, who knows, one day I may be posting a thread about bird watching.

Lise

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 04:30:34 PM »
I am still struggling with Post Traumatic Stress. I just went into one of the conference rooms here at my office and took a nap. I was having mild nightmares or flashbacks about this past year. When I awoke I was feeling the burning pain in my chest again.

It is OK though....I know that it is going to take awhile for me to get over this...and get it all out of my head.

One thought that brings me great relief and a feeling of safety is that I cut off all contact with the social viper N saint. That makes me feel better...hopefully she will no longer intrude in my world. Even if she does I will cut her out immediately...no way am I ever to let her in my head again and she will most certainly get out of my head in time...what an ordeal.

I'm still trying to digest this ambient abuse stuff.


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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 04:31:57 PM »
Then, who knows, one day I may be posting a thread about bird watching


May you be so healthy(lol)!!!!!

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Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2008, 04:45:28 PM »
Then, who knows, one day I may be posting a thread about bird watching


May you be so healthy(lol)!!!!!

        Love   Ami

Actually -- I HAVE been taking up bird watching, is that not funny. There are hundreds of varieties of birds where I live and learning about them then spotting them and taking notes is really a delight. I need a set of binoculars...my next purchase. I still have lots, tons to learn but I cannot even begin to tell you the peace and getting out of self that watching birds instills in me.

It is the last thing I thought I would ever do...LOL.

Lise

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 05:10:16 PM »
I think that because it is so hard to detect and for others to see it that it creates an intense feeling of helplessness.

I agree.  Since you can't pinpoint the problem, there is no obvious solution.  At least with overt abuse, the victim can eventually identify the problem and work toward getting out of the situation.  With covert and ambient abuse, it is not obvious what the victim needs to get away from, or work toward.  And there is no social support.  So the abuse creates a diffuse feeling of helplessness and passivity.  Also, the victim can come to feel guilty for accusing the abuser.  I've noticed covert abusers will play on this.  If the victim starts zeroing in on the problem, the abuser starts playing up all the "positive" things they do.  The victims feeling of abuse are just a "misinterpretation" or excessive sensitivity.

In my situation, I knew there was something wrong with my FOO at a fairly early age.  But it took me into my 40's to start really understanding what was going on.  A subtle environment of "ambient" abuse is a pretty good description.

I just finished reading that Vaknin book and haven't quite decided what to think of it, but it does have a lot of enlightening sections on N-ish behavior. 

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2008, 05:16:48 PM »
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Maybe if she's just of the mud like everyone, she'll lose some of her power in your mind?

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It is good to have someone validate her mud.

Ummm....excuse me?

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 05:22:06 PM »
LOL.....not talking about you, mud. Perhaps, we should have used the word "dirt"?

Does that bring clarity?

Lise

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2008, 07:07:04 PM »

It is the outcome of fear – fear of violence, fear of the unknown, fear of the unpredictable, the capricious, and the arbitrary. It is perpetrated by dropping subtle hints, by disorienting, by constant – and unnecessary – lying, by persistent doubting and demeaning, and by inspiring an air of unmitigated gloom and doom ("gaslighting").



Dear Lise,

S.V. has said a mouthful here.  It (ambient abuse) is the outcome of fear... one of the primary motivators of any controller, right?

I think that the flip side of that coin is that fear in me or you is the magnet which attracts these folks who seem to exude ambient abuse from their very pores (like one of the women with whom I work).

Eradicating that fear demagnetizes us, I believe. And the best tool I know for wiping out fear is to meditate on the "Fear Nots".

Just a thought.

Love to you,
Carolyn

Gabben

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 07:21:54 PM »
Thanks Carolyn,

Wise counsel and a good point. I think that I will take your words home with me. I agree, fear has an odor and predators can smell it.

Time for me to work on my fears...self can't overcome self and all fear is rooted in self so.......... back to the cross for me!

(((((Carolyn)))))

Lise

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 09:12:10 PM »
I hate to be grateful to Vaknin (ugh) but that was a good thing to read tonight, since I face my brother at the lawyer's tomorrow.

I need to not fall for whatever act or display he's putting on.

One thing I can be certain of, is that there will be one.

Hops

PS--Mud, you are an entirely different class of mud. Extraplanetary mud. Cosmic mud. Very very good mud.  :D
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 06:15:02 AM »
Hops....

One word for ya.....







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scroll....







::whispering::







boundaries.



Why is it that we're willing to let those we love......



trample our boundaries?




If your brother is kind, you can still keep your boundaries in place.



Then, if he turns on you.....



you're prepared,





but without the blindsided scramble of re erecting boundaries that never should have been dropped in the first place?


Heh.... you knew I couldn't keep it to one word; )

Lighter






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Re: Ambient abuse
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 11:03:32 AM »
Gab - I haven't heard the term "ambient abuse", but it makes sense. It's so subtle that if we bring notice to it, others label us "crazy", then we do that to ourselves, too. Is that it? That has been my experience, anyway. I learned the hard way to trust my gut on these things. I'm still vulnerable to being called crazy, but now I know what I know. Don't have to prove it to anyone - which is what I always thought I had to do, growing up with an NF as a lawyer.
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