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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2004, 07:43:36 PM »
Thanks, Les -
I'll look at your past postings, and appreciate your help, more than you know.  It is hard to talk about some things, and yet, I want to be so strong that Her arrows cannot dent my armour any more.
I am thinking of starting a new thread tonight.  Unfortunately, I am having a major delayed reaction to my visit with her - and wanted to pick a few brains about it.
More later, okay?
Thanks again for your support.
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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2004, 09:12:19 PM »
Hi Les,
I read some of your past posts, and you have had a tough time with your mother.  Poor you.  I cannot imagine the physical/sexual abuse that you endured with her.  What a violation of your personal boundaries.  What the h*ll is the matter with these women?
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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2004, 11:28:21 PM »
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My abuse was in the form of a mother who was hypervigilant of every single thing that went into my mouth, practically counted my peas, and then was equally hypervigilant of everything that came out the other end.


I'd call this pathological narcissism. There may also be paranoia, obsessive-compulsiveness, and pockets of psychosis in her psyche. Hypervigilance shows persecutory feelings. And treating your body like an extension of hers is narcissistic. I'm sorry this happened to you; it sounds like a nightmare.

bunny

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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2004, 09:17:30 AM »
This post may appear twice, since I just blew away the first version. Rats! Can I remember any of it? Hmmm

How awful those experiences must have been for you OnlyMe and particularly humiliating as a teenager I would think.  Such a complete invasion.  Such self destroying work for you to have to keep the boundaries down, non-existant really, during your growing up years.  

I am so pleased that you are letting your husband get the phone more often. You sooooo need to carve out more emotional and psychological space from her.  You mentioned that you had cancer. I imagine you have done a lot of reading about the connection  between stress (read mother) and the health of our bodies. I just want to encourage you to keep your awareness of your body, your emotions as felt through your body,  right up front, in first place, since they have been in last place for so long. Every day, every day, we should honour ourselves.  It's your turn OnlyMe.

It feels like land reclamation - reclaiming ourselves from the swamp of the unknowing self. - little by little uncovering ourselves, pushing the heavy water soaked clay away, allowing air to circulate, catching glimpses of the rock- bed, our core.  I think this excavating, this recovering of oneself will provide the strength needed to fight off self-destructiive feelings.

I mentioned as well that I am no longer a nodding mute with my mother. I take the opportunity to say: " I don't feel that way; I've never felt that way" (and maybe) there hasn't been any room to tell you that." " I like THAT person and don't want to participate in denegrating them." Short bursts of me.  It may bounce right off. But expressing who you are, I am realizing is vital to healthy survival.  No different than telling someone that you are allergic to peanut butter and it could kill you. We aren't so polite that we eat the peanut butter  but with our Nmother's we eat the same toxic waste.

I imagine you know the book "Bringing Spirituality into Your Healing Journey -Dr. Alastair Cunningham from Princess Margaret hospital in Toronto. To anyone else reading this post this is a book to help cancer patients but really the exercises in it help people get past despair through relaxation, meditation and are so valuable for everyone.

Must hop on a street car and head out into the working world.  A hint of fall in the air -so bittersweet...eh?

Les

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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2004, 08:47:59 PM »
Thanks, Bunny for your comments -
I think you are right.  She definitely is a sick puppy.  If I screamed and cried when she dragged me into the bathroom, she'd give me some of her tranqulizers, tablespoons of brandy, anything to make me docile.   She would break open her librium capsule, sprinkle some of the powder into my little hand and make me lick it off.  You see, if I protested too much, it was clear in her sick eyes that I was misbehaving and needed to be controlled by her.  Control. Control. Control.  Dad just ignored it all.  As I write this, I can't believe I still care what happens to her.  Wish I didn't have that damn moral obligation to a mother, just because it is the right thing to do.

And Thank you, Les.  
I love your image of rising out of the swamp, pushing away the clay to reveal our strong core.  I love rocks, so think I'll look for a special one to remind me of your image.
I have Dr Cunningham's "the Healing Journey" so I'll treat myself to a trip to Chapters and look for the one you suggest.  He has been an inspiration for me.  And I'm going to look for the latest book by Alice Miller.  I read somewhere that it addresses the N issue, as well, so will let you know what I learn.



And a Huge "Thank you" Dr. G.
for providing this safe place for us to talk about our experiences, and to learn from one another.  I have not yet met or heard of anyone who has experienced the sort of abuse that I unfortunately did.
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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2004, 01:02:46 AM »
onlyme,

Your mother sounds severely mentally ill. Your father also has some serious problems. I am just sad that no other adult noticed what was happening to you. It is heartbreaking.

We are hardwired to be attached to our parents even if we hate them. Attachment isn't the same as love. It's a bond that may be quite irrational and painful. That's how humans are wired -- ironically -- for survival purposes. Hopefully your mother will kick the bucket sooner rather than later.

bunny

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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2004, 02:12:58 PM »
Oh OnlyMe -the abuse you suffered is so horrific. I feel for you so much.  Did you mention that you are seeing a counsellor? I hope you are.

Recently my 2 grown daughters were at their grandma's to cook her dinner. She cut her leg and so they took her into the bathroom to help bandage her up.  She started talking to them about her former lovers and other very personal body matters.  It seems like the bathroom triggered all these sexual associations...even with her grandaughters - What did I miss I wonder in their relationships with her.

I mention this because the more I name what happened to me and feel firmer in my resolve to take back my life, the better I get. Part of that has included some reading on the subject of "covert incest."  Jarring words but for me a fit.  Perhaps you have already considered your experience from this angle or perhaps it doesn't fit for you. I wish I could be more delicate with my words here.  

Taking care of these "mothers" puts us in such a difficult situation.  We feel that we are IT and charged with the heavy duty of "loving" and "adoring" the very people that abused us.  This is the horns of the dilema for me.  I feel in a way that somehow I MISLEAD my mother all these years. She has come to expect devotion. So how do you pull away?  I know she feels like a jilted lover. Despite all this I want to say that the only POSSIBLE direction to travel is towards health.  It must be. We cannot sacrifice our lives, our health - mental and physical.  

Can you get away for awhile Only Me. Maybe a retreat where you can experience yourself in relaxed, undemanding surroundings?

Les

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« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2004, 07:46:56 PM »
Thank you, Bunny - I appreciate your comments - you're right about both my parents, and sometimes I need to hear it summed up like that!

And Thank you, Les.  I had a therapist a few years ago when all this NMabuse surfaced and needed to be acknowledged.   It was rough for a year or so.  I have never stopped reading about the subject, and I have been reading self-help books all my life (thinking that there must be something terribly wrong with me, and always looking for answers - not realizing that it was my nM's messages that were the lies, and she was the sick one, in fact).  
And I wouldn't have had this huge back-slide if dad hadn't been so sick the past few months.  I had a few good boundaries built up, but most of them came crashing down because of circumstances.  I reverted to 'caring' about them, and became vulnerable, inadvertantly.  Then Dad died, and she acted helpless, etc etc etc.... I fell back into her Web.  Dad was the strong silent type, never acknowledged a problem.  He'd just lose his temper from time to time.

Since discovering this group, I have made huge strides back to strength again.  And I have been away from our home so much in the past few months, that I have taken this week as a 'break' at home - puttering around, getting grounded, and it feels good to put my roots down, again.  This is my mini-retreat, safe here at home - one week :  Tues to Tues is my plan!  So far, so good!  And you helped so much by reminding me how important it is to take care of my health.  I kept repeating that sentence to myself whenever I felt guilty.  I can't let my immune system get too run down, bc I'll be damned if that Old Bat is going to make me sick, ever again!   Yes, our health is of utmost importance.  We have put the needs of our nM first for much too long.  I never learned how to do otherwise, really, but am trying to learn that now.  I learned to never be prettier, smarter, thinner, etc etc than her....  so it is foreign to me to put myself first.  My H is a huge support, thank goodness - and patient! Whew!!!

About your daughters - just keep an eye on them.  You know what to look for, so keep your radar tuned for anything that might be a clue that your nm has been inappropriate with them.  Hopefully, and what a terrible thing to say, but hopefully you were her only victim.  
And yes, I'll look into covert incest.  My therapist said my experience was like being raped over and over and over again.  
It breaks my heart to learn of other people who have suffered at the hands of their nmothers.  Somehow I could accept that I must have deserved it, but when I learn of the abuse that has gone on behind closed doors, it breaks my heart.

Didn't mean to go on like this.  Yes, our dilemma is that we must see the evil one through to the end of her days, knowing the truth of our relationships, but tending to their needs, nonetheless.  I now think of the show  'Survivor'.  I intend to be the last one standing, no matter what I have to do!  There will be good days and bad days, but we'll make it!!!
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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2004, 01:20:38 PM »
I'm glad that home feels like a safe place OnlyMe. - just those pesky phone calls to deal with I guess!  Hopefully your time away from home means time away from constant contact with the black widow.

It sounds like you are really trying to take care of yourself.  You are always ALWAYS worth it.  If you ever doubt this, please, speak up here and many people will remind you of your worth.  

I sometimes think of  part of Nelson Mandela's ( I think)  inaugural speech:

"We ask ourselves, "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?
Actually who are you NOT to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us. It's in everyone, and, as we let our light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."


Last week I told my mother that I went sailing and I had a very good time! I am allowed a little fun and pleasure in my life and it is normal and healthy to express it. ( well, not normal for me but...) Of course her jealousy was evident - but I can't take care of all that now.  No more pandering to sick black widow spiders! btw I'm not suggesting that you are in anyway "shrinking" in your life, but I know that sticky web has an effect. Well, time is short! I'm break'n out!!!

Les

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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2004, 03:30:44 PM »
I want to thank all of you brave, wonderful people for opening up and sharing your experiences.  I just found out about N. Last night I  couldn't sleep, so I went on line to find out what it was all about.  After amny dead ends I wound up here.  I couldn't write last night because I was just too emotional.  I'm finding it hard to see the keys yet today.

I recently had another fight with my Nmom.  I was able to stay calm and say what I needed to say.  I don't need to tell you, she didn't hear a word.  After a week and no word from me, the boxes started.  First she called and left messages that they would be to drop off some things.  I e-mailed and said we wouldn't be home.  And then made sure we wouldn't be.  Oh yeah, and changed my locks.  The box sat on my step for two days. When we got home they were wet.  Two days later, there was one on the porch, with her pearls under all kinds of junk.  

I started seeing a counselor for back up and she told me about N.  My Dad start sending me e-mails asking me to forgive him.  True to course, if I don't take responsibility Dad will.  I thanked him, but stated that he wasn't on the phone that night  and the problem was about Mom's and Mine relationship.  Two days later he shows up at my door.  Again he knows this is his fault.  I tried to explain, but his mission was to smooth this over.  So, Mom and I are on new ground.  I usually cave by now and apologize for everything.

This started because of my daughter, She spent an extended vacation with them and came back very upset and not wanting to go back.  It is amazing what we will do for our kids but would never do for ourselves.

I'm not alone, I'm not crazy.  And there are people who understand me.

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« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2004, 08:02:02 PM »
Welcome!
You are not alone,
and you are not crazy - it just feels like that, sometimes!
I found this group a couple of weeks ago, and am so thankful to be here.  It is very healing to be able to tell The Truth, here, and to be believed.  And there is a very special  understanding that comes from others who have experienced the pain of having no voice, and the pain of being invisible - it is a bond that makes this a special group of souls with voices, after all.
We're all in this together, and we will all be stronger because of it.
Now you know you are not alone.
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2004, 08:04:03 PM »
Dear Les,
... you always seem to know exactly the right things to say, oh wise one!
And I love that black widow spider image!
That's perfect!
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2004, 09:14:32 PM »
What is it about Nmothers and their childrens bathroom habits?  My incredibly sociopathic/pathologically narcissistic mother wiped my little brothers bottom until he was 8 yrs old (or older).  I developed a gastrointestinal disturbances before the age of 1 yrs old - and later devloped Crohn's disease in elementary school.  

My mother used to forcefeed my brother - smashing him in the face when he wouldn't eat - leaving him to sit there for hours - falling alseep with his face in his food.  I would be surprised if my Nmother didn't do this to me as well.

Why do these women feel the desire to get THAT involved with their children's of fecal elimination?

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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2004, 12:22:53 AM »
Hi Jenocidal,

I don't know about the back end, but your story about food reminded me of when psycho NSIL crammed birthday cake into my one-year-old's mouth because she was "supposed" to eat the cake.   :roll:  You know, the old photo album is more important than reality.  shheeeeesh.
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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2004, 09:58:12 PM »
Les,
I want to let you know that your quote from N Mandela was soooo very helpful to me this weekend.  It said " as we let our light shine ..." and for some reason, all weekend I have been humming that tune "this little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine!"  :-)
I hope you had a chance to be good to yourself this weekend!  You brought light into my weekend, and I thank you for it!
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