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Certain Hope

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The Fawn Response
« on: July 09, 2008, 09:24:44 AM »
Psychotherapist Pete Walker. M.A., writes:

In my work with victims of childhood trauma (I include here those who on a regular basis were verbally and emotionally abused at the dinner table), I use psychoeducation to help them understand the ramifications of their childhood-derived Complex PTSD (see Judith Herman’s enlightening Trauma and Recovery).

That line I put in bold is what made me want to read the rest. What went on around our dinner table has always felt traumatic, but I never said that aloud, because I felt silly for making much ado about nothing. In fact, I was ready to chalk it all up to being an "HSP"... until I continued reading this article and discovered that what I'd attributed to being HSP may actually have been at least partially created, learned, and not inborn... and that a better name for it may be "post-traumatic-stress". What's in a name? Well, in this case, a better understanding of who I have been and what I can do to mend the effects of being a child of my parents.
Others here may recognize themselves in this picture, as well. I'll just post some excerpts...

Sometimes a current event can have only the vaguest resemblance to a past traumatic situation and this can be enough to trigger the psyche’s hard-wiring for a fight, flight, or freeze response. (This is followed in the article by some examples, and then...)

Many trauma victims over time develop an ability to use varying combinations of these responses depending on the nature of the triggering circumstances.

A fourth type of triggered response can be seen in many codependents.(Codependency is defined here as the inability to express rights, needs and boundaries in relationship; it is a disorder of assertiveness that causes the individual to attract and accept exploitation, abuse and/or neglect.) I have named it the fawn response...the fourth ‘f’ in the fight/flight/ freeze/fawn repertoire of instinctive responses to trauma. Fawn, according to Webster’s, means: “to act servilely; cringe and flatter”, and I believe it is this response that is at the core of many codependents’ behavior. The trauma-based codependent learns to fawn very early in life in a process that might look something like this:
as a toddler, she learns quickly that protesting abuse leads to even more frightening parental retaliation, and so she relinquishes the fight response, deleting “no” from her vocabulary and never developing the language skills of healthy assertiveness.

At this point, there are some examples of the flight and freeze scenarios, followed by:

A final scenario describes the incipient codependent toddler who largely bypasses the fight, flight and freeze responses and instead learns to fawn her way into the relative safety of becoming helpful. She may be one of the gifted children of Alice Miller’s Drama Of The Gifted Child, who discovers that a modicum of safety (safety the ultimate aim of all four of the 4F responses) can be purchased by becoming useful to the parent. Servitude, ingratiation, and forfeiture of any needs that might inconvenience and ire the parent become the most important survival strategies available. Boundaries of every kind are surrendered to mollify the parent, as the parent repudiates the Winnecottian duty of being of use to the child; the child is parentified and instead becomes as multidimensionally useful to the parent as she can: housekeeper, confidante, lover, sounding board, surrogate parent of other siblings, etc. I wonder how many of us therapists were prepared for our careers in this way.

All this loss of self begins before the child has many words, and certainly no insight. For the nascent codependent, all hints of danger soon immediately trigger servile behaviors and abdication of rights and needs. These response patterns are so deeply set in the psyche, that as adults, many codependents automatically and symbolically respond to threat like dogs, rolling over on their backs, wagging their tails, hoping for a little mercy and an occasional scrap; (Webster’s second entry for fawn: “(esp. of a dog) to behave affectionately.”) I find it particularly disturbing the way some codependents can be as unceasingly loyal as a dog to even the worst “master”.

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 09:25:59 AM »
I have had considerable success using psychoeducation about this type of cerebral “wiring” with clients of mine whose codependency began as a childhood response to parents who continuously attacked and shamed any self-interested expression on their part. I work with such clients to help them understand how their habits of automatically forfeiting boundaries, limits, rights and needs were and are triggered by a fear of being attacked for lapses in ingratiation.

Elucidation of this dynamic to clients is a necessary but not sufficient step in recovery. There are many codependents who understand their penchant for forfeiting themselves, but who seem to precipitously forget everything they know when differentiation is appropriate in their relationships. To break free of their subservience, they must turn their cognitive insights into a willingness to stay present to the fear that triggers the self-abdication of the fawn response, and in the face of that fear try on and practice an expanding repertoire of more functional responses to fear.

Real motivation for surmounting this challenge usually comes from the psychodynamic work of uncovering and recreating a detailed picture of the trauma that first frightened the client out of his instincts of self-protection and healthy self-interest. When the client remembers and feels how overpowered he was as a child, he can begin to realize that although he was truly too small and powerless to assert himself in the past, he is now in a much different, more potentially powerful situation. And while he might still momentarily feel small and helpless when he is in a flashback, he can learn to remind himself that he is in an adult body and that he now has an adult status that offers him many more resources to champion himself and to effectively protest unfair and exploitative behavior.

I usually find that this work involves a considerable amount of grieving. Typically this entails many tears about the loss and pain of being so long without healthy self-interest and self-protective skills. Grieving also tends to unlock healthy anger about a life lived with such a diminished sense of self. This anger can then be worked into recovering a healthy fight-response that is the basis of the instinct of self-protection, of balanced assertiveness, and of the courage that will be needed in the journey of creating relationships based on equality and fairness.

.... extreme emotional abandonment also can create this kind of codependency. I believe that the continuously neglected toddler experiences extreme lack of connection as traumatic, and sometimes responds to this fearful condition by overdeveloping the fawn response.

http://www.pete-walker.com/codependencyFawnResponse.htm

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 09:52:07 AM »
Wow!

This is pretty powerful stuff. Maybe that's what N's recognize in their favored partner - a sense of the Fawn. The perfect prey.

Scary.

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I had never heard of this before.

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 10:02:48 AM »
Thanks, Dandy.  Yes, I believe that this is exactly what NPD senses in his or her intended target.

This was me:

All this loss of self begins before the child has many words, and certainly no insight.
For the nascent codependent, all hints of danger soon immediately trigger servile behaviors and abdication of rights and needs.
These response patterns are so deeply set in the psyche, that as adults, many codependents automatically and symbolically respond to threat like dogs,
rolling over on their backs, wagging their tails, hoping for a little mercy and an occasional scrap; (Webster’s second entry for fawn: “(esp. of a dog) to behave affectionately.”) I find it particularly disturbing the way some codependents can be as unceasingly loyal as a dog to even the worst “master”.


And to this day, when affection is withdrawn or I'm aware that some valid limit or boundary which I've set has incurred the anger and resentment of another party, I can still sense within me that deep, abiding urge to just roll over and make it all okay again... anything, to ease the deep pain of abandonment.

Carolyn


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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 10:10:59 AM »
Yes, I am resonating with that feeling, and it's not a comfortable one! (a-ha moment?)

I was very "servile" for 17 years as a wife, then bam! something in me rebelled - found my voice with my husband.

As a kid, I was intimidated into silence/obeying by my dad who was....an intimidator. (I basically married someone who had that same trait - intimidating me into compliance). I am so glad i finally rebelled.

There would be moments as a kid - I'd have these "breakthroughs" - where I'd scream back at my dad or refuse to call him "Dad" in response to his meanness. That felt so good.

This is all very interesting - making me think hard.....

Thanks so much, Carolyn. I'm with you totally (((((Carolyn)))))

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 10:50:55 AM »
((((((((((Dandylife)))))))))  Thank you.

Wow. I had 15 years of servanthood to my kids' dad and then 2 years to NPD-ex before I finally spoke up and said - this does not make sense.
Of course, that's all it took to bring down the full rage of N.
Still startles me that it took such a glaring example of abuse incarnate to snap me out of my it.
I guess he was the train that finally hit me.

I raised me voice to my mother once, when I was about 16. She slapped me. That didn't hurt so much, but I also saw the look in her eyes and knew that I'd never confront her again.
Saw that same look in NPD-ex's eyes. The look that could kill.

Looking forward to hearing more, Dandy, as other thoughts come to you.
I'd forgotten all about Pete Walker's stuff till Lily's post on trust reminded me.
It was definitely time for a review!

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 12:34:41 PM »
Carolyn, this is excellent stuff. Very interesting and yes, familiar.

Interesting, too, because one of the things I said at group Monday night was that as a very small child, I was a nothing and was just supposed to sit there and not move and take the abuse. I am trying to do that inner child thing, and that is what I could get in touch with -- being/feeling an absolute nothing.

My group mates very kindly advised me that those feelings were what my parents taught me, not what I was/am in and of myself.

Anyway, Carolyn, this is very helpful information. I'm going to have to read it and reread it a few times.

BTW -- because I am remembering this right now, right here -- a few weeks ago you mentioned something about never having worked much outside the home and "just" raising your kids.

Huh??? That is the hardest job in the world. Please!!!!!! And what most people forget or don't know, is that the entire women's liberation movement was founded on the belief that being at home and being a mom was a tremendous job and had tremendous worth, both to society and financial worth. That is the very, very core of women's lib. So -- carry on, girl!!!

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 01:05:50 PM »
Carolyn,
I have ordered Pete Walker's book The Tao of Fully Feeling. Looks great! AND, in the process found a slew of David Richo books, including one that's titled, "How to be an Adult IN RELATIONSHIPS" Love it. I can't wait until they arrive.

Again, much appreciation for this thread, I feel...MOVED.

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 01:22:24 PM »
 :D  Oh, Dandy.... that is wonderful!  You're welcome!!

Just yesterday I was looking at the David Richio book on being an adult within relationships... and drooling...
but I have to resist the urge to get ahead of myself. Have enough irons in the fire at the moment... and have spent enough on books for awhile.
I just began journaling again... and there've been so many other changes and adjustments that my mind is kinda spinning right now.
These two books are definitely on the wish list, though.

Thanks for letting me share your excitement! Big smiles here!

Lily,

This is so familiar to me: 
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as a very small child, I was a nothing and was just supposed to sit there and not move and take the abuse. I am trying to do that inner child thing, and that is what I could get in touch with -- being/feeling an absolute nothing.


From my own work of self-examination , I know that this was a consequence of emotional neglect - being starved for emotional sustenance - and not outright abuse. There simply was no expressed feeling which was generally considered acceptable. Sadness brought disapproval and shunning, spontaneous joy brought harsh reprimands and more disapproval. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Your group-mates are absolutely right... this nothingness is something which was placed on you by those who were charged with the joy of helping you find the beauty which is you. Trying to live with the self-absorbed requires a squashing of the essence of life, I know. The blessing is - you are finding it again, in all of its wholeness.

And thank you for your comments about being a stay at home mom...  (((((Lily)))))  it's a sore spot with me that's left over as much from my mother as from any other source. My head knows that what you've said is true, just sometimes it's hard to convince my heart that I'm not "less than" because of it.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 02:44:14 PM »




Hi Carolyn,

I lived this:  A final scenario describes the incipient codependent toddler who largely bypasses the fight, flight and freeze responses and instead learns to fawn her way into the relative safety of becoming helpful. She may be one of the gifted children of Alice Miller’s Drama Of The Gifted Child, who discovers that a modicum of safety (safety the ultimate aim of all four of the 4F responses) can be purchased by becoming useful to the parent. Servitude, ingratiation, and forfeiture of any needs that might inconvenience and ire the parent become the most important survival strategies available. Boundaries of every kind are surrendered to mollify the parent, as the parent repudiates the Winnecottian duty of being of use to the child; the child is parentified and instead becomes as multidimensionally useful to the parent as she can: housekeeper, confidante, lover, sounding board, surrogate parent of other siblings, etc. I wonder how many of us therapists were prepared for our careers in this way.

All this loss of self begins before the child has many words, and certainly no insight. For the nascent codependent, all hints of danger soon immediately trigger servile behaviors and abdication of rights and needs. These response patterns are so deeply set in the psyche, that as adults, many codependents automatically and symbolically respond to threat like dogs, rolling over on their backs, wagging their tails, hoping for a little mercy and an occasional scrap; (Webster’s second entry for fawn: “(esp. of a dog) to behave affectionately.”) I find it particularly disturbing the way some codependents can be as unceasingly loyal as a dog to even the worst “master”.


In recovery, I shed most of that mindset.  But remembering the raw fear that the slightest change in my environment caused is still painful.    This author is dead on.

tt


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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 04:05:41 PM »
Hi Dandy,

I'm so glad you said something about a stay at home mother... I worked and was a single parent with my two older children  until they were 8 and 9.. I had to do what I had to do.....

When I met my H now and was pregnant with my 3 child I told him I was staying at home with my children.. have since then....my little one is now 13 and has sports....so I'm still home....

I don't know how many times.. I had to defend my actions/decisions because I was looked upon as...you don't work...don't you want your own life... I could never just sit at home... SIT AT HOME and do nothing...... nothing... I was a doctor, lawyer, coach, teacher,nurse, financial manger, cleaning lady, dishwasher, decorator, mother, chief, construction worker, Gardner, director, writer, entertainer...... and forget what else......and excellent at multi tasking.....hold my kids head up while puking, cleaning at the same time. giving medicines as stripping the beds.. into laundry..check the food..with a phone to my ear speaking to the Dr's..and letting the dogs out....spinning in circles with hands out and legs pushing something..... out of the way...


how's that resume for ya!!! How much am I worth?? 

Love
Deb

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 05:20:55 PM »
Cheers, cheers, you stay-at-home moms!! Once again, I say look into the roots of feminism. You are the very heart and soul of it. Oh, what we have forgotten in "the movement."

Debkor, I don't know how you or any single mom does it, I really don't. I don't know how any parent does it, working or not. (We know how Ns do it, ha, ha. Nothing!!!) It is such a hard job. I know so many working women who say they work because it saves their sanity.

Some resume!! And you are worth a CEOs salary, my friend. (The big bonus and all!!) You too, Carolyn. You have unlimited value. And in the final run, I bet you'll find your much "more than" because you stayed home. Really. Those days are priceless. Work -- work is highly overrated in my book! I have a SAH cousin my age, very bright, who keeps talking about finding a job and tell her "Why? Work is very overrated." Unless, of course, you are one of the fortunate ones who finds his/her passion and can work at it.


Carolyn, thank you -- for that "little" post about neglect and for this overall thread. Very excellent. You are so right -- the emotional neglect was so hard. I didn't understand (of course). We were not allowed to have feelings. To express one was suicide in my family. Sometimes I forget that when I first went to my current therapist, I was one very locked-up person. My sister and I uncovered untold millions of boxes of photos at my dad's house this weekend (we knew they were there), and I was able to find a good handful of me when i was young. I was pleased to find some where I actually looked care for -- neat, presentable, and maybe even cute!! I must have had one good year -- they all look like they're from the same time period. Also, I saw my baby picture(s) for the very first time! I'd never seen one before. I don't know much about babies, I'll have to have someone look at them -- but I swear, even at that age I look like an emotional vacuum.

Anyway, my point is that I think I have a pretty good collection to use in working on the inner child thing. The sweet thing is, there is my brother right beside me in so many of them. We really must have been close even when young. I don't see him in pix with my sister so much.

Oh, a tangent.

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 10:12:23 PM »
Lily,

I want to tell you that I always enjoy your reads...you are such.. a breath of fresh air..... it's a pleasure to know and read you...

Hang those baby pics up..cause look what came into this world...You.. and I am glad to have met you...Sooo much heart....

Love
Deb

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 08:14:38 AM »
Lily,

I'm glad you were able to find your photos.

If you place a few in conspicuous places around your home... well, it's amazing how that little girl may begin to speak to you.

This part of it can be very startling... and difficult.
The vulnerability is intense.
Please tend gently to your heart.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: The Fawn Response
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 09:22:40 AM »
Well, thank you both, so much!

Deb, your words were especially comforting, as I've felt I've been posting a lot lately. I just hit such a bad spot that I really needed it. (But now I'm doing much better.)  Your words were like that gift of a book someone left at Leah's door the other morning -- a great way to start the day! Thank you.

Carolyn, thanks for the tips. I'll try that! So far I just come up with blankness (that is, all I can see is a blank little girl) -- but that could be me projecting.(Can you project onto yourself?) I will take care of myself.

Thanks, both of you dears.