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axa

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2008, 08:52:58 PM »
Hiya Lighter,

HOW, HOW, HOW do you eat egg whites................. I dare not tell you the image eating egg whites and fruit  does to me UGH

Good to see you out and about.........have been very busy lately so not on here much but hopefully will be around more often

Hope you are gardening and enjoying loving the little ones

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2008, 08:55:50 AM »
Dear Axa
 I think you are talking about issues of inherent value which are coming out in food and smoking issues.As I face that it is my M's shame that I took on, rather than MY shame ,it helps.
 I am trying to give back the distortions and illusions to her by being gut level honest with her. I am not protecting my parents from the truth of  my childhood. As I give the truth to them, I am set free.
 The shame, pain and worthlessness were never ours.               Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2008, 07:21:31 PM »
Hiya Lighter,

HOW, HOW, HOW do you eat egg whites................. I dare not tell you the image eating egg whites and fruit  does to me UGH

axa


Heh.... you have a point.

I think we were so enthralled with eating Easter Eggs one year, they simply remained a "happy" food. 

We keep fresh boiled eggs in the house, peel and scoop out the yolk, rinse and onto a plate it goes with fresh fruit.

Not so bad.....

if you fell in love with Easter Eggs once; )

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 09:30:59 AM »
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I think I associated routines with being controlled rather than a system of organisation which benefits me.  Its like I want to be this free child who can do what ever they want without consequences, Ah moment!  as a child there were always consequences (punishment) even without doing the bad thing, all I needed to do was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time!

Boy, Axa... we're sort of dealing with some of the same things... but I think there are differences. For me, routines helped me deal with the total chaos and unpredictability of my mother's moods (will she be the Dragon Lady today or just cry all day??) and the insecurity - hell, lack of physical SAFETY I felt in that situation without competent parents.

ONE of my routines, was sneaking off behind the garage to smoke a cigarette. And this trigger came up to bite me this morning as I move into
day 4 - cold turkey - no smoking. I stole one from hubby's pack. And debated long and hard with myself about whether I was going to smoke it - and used this debate to finally figure out what was going on with this temptation (I smoked because I COULD; humiliating lack of parents)...

that need to have something to "help" me... to give me mental clarity... strength... energy...

Help me do what?

Help me deal with unpredictability, for one thing. Help me multi-task and do what I needed to do as a 12 yr old - AND cover my mother's responsibilities... Help me try to understand gaslighting - and WHY I couldn't be trusted with the truth...

Basically: help me try to survive in a situation that I simply shouldn't have BEEN in, in the first place... and wouldn't have been in, if my parents had been decent people and had cared about me.

Food was a substitute for me - an alternative way to feel comfort, when I needed my emotional needs met - and hit the brick wall of "what you want isn't important" again.
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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2008, 04:41:46 AM »
Guys,

Have not time to reply as this calls for attention to the wonderful posts and very busy right now.  I did not want you thinking I wasn't interested.  I AM.  Will get to writing a post at weekend, if not before............by the way smoke free and being aware and of course practicing.

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 04:39:43 PM »



Hi,

They have a spa in Chattanooga where you can go and spend a 11 or 18 days, or more to refresh. 

It's called Wildwood.  http://www.wildwoodhealth.org/

BTW, I'm not Seventh Day Adventist.  You don't have to be to  be accepted into their program.

I'm not assuming anyone here is interested in this, but if you were, you'd need the name.

tt


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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2008, 03:18:29 PM »

Hi Phoenix,

Firstly, still not smoking so that feels good, the practice is working and the patches.  When walking this week I realised that when I get stuck writing, I get up from my desk and find myself downstairs staring into the fridge.  When I thought about this I realised a big trigger for me is when I don't know what to do I eat/smoke.  I don't have a "rule" for those times.  There is no answer and I feel anxious.  The anxiety is too difficult to feel so I push it down with food/smoke.  I, too, grew up with an unpredictable mother and somehow I was always looking for "the rules" in an effort to make sense of the non-sense.  I always want to know what to do, I have no doubt this is connected with my sense of order/control coming from the external, you understand!  The other side of this is that I spent so long trying to learn the rules, which didn't work that I feel a freedom, now, to break the ones I do know, like a routine is good for me - it feels like flying in the face of control, as I spoke about.  I am practicising routine which frees me rather than binds me.

I smoked because I could - now that rings a bell.  I break the rules because I CAN.  This feels a bit like being a teenager, which is progress compared to a helpless child!

ONE of my routines, was sneaking off behind the garage to smoke a cigarette. And this trigger came up to bite me this morning as I move into
day 4 - cold turkey - no smoking. I stole one from hubby's pack. And debated long and hard with myself about whether I was going to smoke it - and used this debate to finally figure out what was going on with this temptation (I smoked because I COULD; humiliating

that need to have something to "help" me... to give me mental clarity... strength... energy...

Help me do what?

Help me deal with unpredictability, for one thing. Help me multi-task and do what I needed to do as a 12 yr old - AND cover my mother's responsibilities... Help me try to understand gaslighting - and WHY I couldn't be trusted with the truth...

Oh Pheonix, these sentences just touch me so much.  I felt angry reading them and almost immediately so, so sad for all the children who need to be adults when they don't have the skills.  It really is so sad.

I have taken Lighter's advice and drink much more water and also have a box of delicious Italian baby tomatoes in the fridge which I nibble on.  They feel like a real treat because they are expensive - mmmm what taste.  It feels good to have you accompany me through this next phase.  Also, not smoking I am aware of how sad I feel, deep heartfelt sadness.

TT, good to see you too.  Not so sure about the shake but I get the message xxx axa

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2008, 04:12:58 PM »
Axa - that's another problem - having be an adult AND a child at the same time. Massive overwhelm...

Here's the latest in my quit saga: http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3//index.php?topic=8335.msg134211#msg134211

Fear of success, protecting someone ELSE'S feelings... protecting myself from ego-injury for DARING to be good at something; succeeding... all contributed to a temporary lapse in the middle of this week, this quit for me. I explained - finally - the feeling I had... the feeling that pushes me inexorably toward a smoke:

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The reason I relapsed into smoking was the fear of success - and the fear of the usual consequences. But I was also trying to identify the actual feeling I had in that moment, when I decided to sneak that one cigarette in, that practically compelled me to smoke after 3-4 days of easy success. It seems like a bunch of feelings; none distinguishable except anguish... a tidal wave... that threatens to engulf me... wash "me" away...

and I finally nailed it down: that feeling was the almost total boundary violation of a magnitude that was enough for Twiggy to willingly go hide in my unconscious self. Where my SELF was totally violated by my mother's intent to control me, what I thought, what I felt, for her own convenience. That is the tidal wave that washed "me" away... that is the feeling that can only be calmed with smoking...

I wouldn't call what I feel anxiety, necessarily; terror is more like it! No one wants to be wiped out; erased as if they didn't exist. But the intensity of your feeling in front of the fridge... mine, with feeling "too good"... are probably pretty similiar.

One way I'm getting through the first days of quitting is to "not eat"... to "not need" anything for x amount of time... as practice. Feeling comfortable just the way I am - and at the first sign of discomfort, to take a minute or two to ground myself back in my body which relieves panic, stress, fear, anxiety.... it reminds me that I'm SAFE in my own skin. I can't - and apparently don't need NRT. The 3-4 days I managed from last Friday were painless and easy. Yes, I thought about cigarettes - hubby was still smoking then - but it absolutely didn't bother me to not smoke; no meltdowns, I functioned just fine after the 1st day's brain buzzing. Yes, I smoked while working on this trigger... and today I'm "not smoking" again - and this time, it's even easier - no brain buzz.

If I didn't practice not eating - I wouldn't stop eating all day long.... at least the first few days of no nicotiine!
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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2008, 07:54:12 PM »
Amber,

How true that is being an adult and a child and it still continues.

I often wondered if I had not used self sabotage to keep myself in the twisted familiar place how different my life would have been.  I would have worked at school, made such different choices.......... so many of my choices have been made out of fear.  Marrying the man I did, staying with a crazy N all because I was so scared nobody would want me.  Abuse had to be better than nothing!  I became an expert in making others feel good.  I can/used to be very funny and this was my strategy, I could make others laugh so that they felt good, usually at my own expense, or soothed them so they felt ok in the crazy hope they would recipricate.  Sounds like we, both, were very good at abandoning ourselves, just as our mothers had abandoned us, to care for the other. 

But you know something Amber, I am a fighter.  I give up, abandon myself but before I get to the edge I fight back.  I don't know where this comes from.  We are alive and that to me seems like quite an accomplishment.  So often I came so close to giving up on life and I don't know what kept me from doing so.  I know after my children were born it was because I felt I could not burden them with such an act but that has changed for me.  I am now alive for me.  I too am making progress but it is hard, hard work and all because of childhood abuse.  I hate that I take my mother's place in my life and misuse me, abuse me but I am getting better.  I see great changes but am shocked when this all comes up and hits me again.  I so wish to be through all of this and sometimes wonder is it possible ever to really recover from the "training" of childhood.

Fear of success, protecting someone ELSE'S feelings... protecting myself from ego-injury for DARING to be good at something; succeeding... all contributed to a temporary lapse in the middle of this week, this quit for me. I explained - finally - the feeling I had... the feeling that pushes me inexorably toward a smoke:



and I finally nailed it down: that feeling was the almost total boundary violation of a magnitude that was enough for Twiggy to willingly go hide in my unconscious self. Where my SELF was totally violated by my mother's intent to control me, what I thought, what I felt, for her own convenience. That is the tidal wave that washed "me" away... that is the feeling that can only be calmed with smoking...

And it does calm and soothe and takes away the demons for that short period.  No wonder it is so addictive, it is so much more than nicotine, I believe.  I understand the terror.  My goodness what would happen if we were happy, successful........ I can stay with these feelings for short periods but the discomfort and fear that arises if they go on.  Well, I learned not to trust those feelings, there was always payment, usually in the form of extreme physical abuse.  So better not feel good because it followed that something really bad was going to happen, as sure as night followed day.  DO NOT TRUST ANYTHING GOOD it is only a ploy to lull one into a place which will be shattered, best to not feel those feelings then the bad parts don't feel so bad.  Stay low and careful, stay away from the pain, disguise it, feed it, smother it in smoke and then there is the quiet of feeling nothing - the relief of being frozen, the ease of non-feeling, the half life place.



One way I'm getting through the first days of quitting is to "not eat"... to "not need" anything for x amount of time... as practice. Feeling comfortable just the way I am - and at the first sign of discomfort, to take a minute or two to ground myself back in my body which relieves panic, stress, fear, anxiety.... it reminds me that I'm SAFE in my own skin. I can't - and apparently don't need NRT. The 3-4 days I managed from last Friday were painless and easy. Yes, I thought about cigarettes - hubby was still smoking then - but it absolutely didn't bother me to not smoke; no meltdowns, I functioned just fine after the 1st day's brain buzzing. Yes, I smoked while working on this trigger... and today I'm "not smoking" again - and this time, it's even easier - no brain buzz.

If I didn't practice not eating - I wouldn't stop eating all day long.... at least the first few days of no nicotiine!

[/quote]  Well done, let us practice.

Axa xxx

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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2008, 04:15:37 PM »
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Stay low and careful, stay away from the pain, disguise it, feed it, smother it in smoke and then there is the quiet of feeling nothing - the relief of being frozen, the ease of non-feeling, the half life place.

This is a great description! Lately, I'm starting to see that this place was an illusion, though. I know I told myself, I believed, that I could really stifle - hide from - the pain, the anger & outrage - in non-feeling. And would explicitly give myself permission to do anything that assisted with maintaining that illusion... no boundaries.

But the pain showed up anyway. As anxiety... as physical ailments... as poor life choices.

Maybe we need to write ourselves a visualization exercise: imagine ourselves being successful in our chosen life-changes. Include the feelings... that we want (not the old crap)... imagine getting PAST this... and what that will enable us to do in addition to transforming ourselves. Sort of like Izzy's Ideal Life collage...
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Re: Here we go again - weight and smoke
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 01:06:00 PM »
What a good idea...........I need to think about the visualisation but will be back.

thanks

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