Black president or female VP - what a new world

[Gaining Strength]

Wow - I'm on fire about this years election. 

I actually made a living working in politics for a number of years and gave up in frustration and disgust.  I have had NO interest in politics as usual for a very long time.

Between Obama's speech last night and McCain's announcement today - I'm excited!

How about you?

[miss piggy]

Hello SS,

I am extremely hopeful (and that's agood thing) after listening to Obama last night.  Full disclosure: I am a recovering Republican, now dem.  I consider myself an independent and never vote a straight party ticket. 

I could write a full dissertation on our party system as an expression of dysfunctional family psychology, I think.  The last eight years have been a disgusting display of greed and destructive naked aggression against life.  But if I wrote it I'd be exhausted!  Don't get me started!!!   

Don't forget to vote, folks!

[Gaining Strength]

I am a recovering Republican
Me too!

The last eight years have been a disgusting display of greed and destructive naked aggression against life.
Very disappointing -

[James]

The last eight years have been a disgusting display of greed and destructive naked aggression against life.I agree. It's been Narcissism on public display.   James

[Gaining Strength]

I never thought of it that way but that makes sense.

[axa]

Obama would get my vote......if I had one.  Fingers and everything else crossed. 

axa

[miss piggy]

Hi Axa,

Are you too young, or not a US citizen?  Just wondering...MP

We owe it to the world to make a change and be responsible for this outcome.  Too much riding on it.

[axa]

If only I was to young............ from europe so no vote.  He is very popular over here, has lots of support.

axa

[mudpuppy]

I'm pretty excited too.
We're looking at real change here if Obama is elected.
We've never had a guy who has only served three years in the senate (two of which he's spent campaigning) and otherwise has done pretty much nothing; who spent twenty years in a church listening to his pastor preach racist hatred, then deny he heard any of it; whose political mentor is an unrepentant 60's bomb designing terrorist who he spent years working closely with but whom he now acts like he barely knows; and whose political fixer and fund raiser just got sent to the Federal hoosegow for wire and mail fraud, but of course he hardly knew him either even though he helped him buy his house. Hope and change indeed. He does give a pretty speech though.

Suggest we leave politics off this board and restrain the desire to label those with whom we disagree with pathological labels.

mud

[Ami]

I NEVER get in to political discussions but Mud your words were balm to my hurting heart!                         Ami

[Izzy_*now*]

Canadian here, mudpuppy

I just read your message and I find it (if it is truthful) so much against Obama that I so wonder all the time, if there will be, ever, or has been, ever, an honest hardworking President of the USA.

If so, who was it? please!  Reagan?

The more-to-me famous names come to mind but not their values, Washington, Lincoln, Hoover? (or was he just a vacuum?), Roosevelt, Eisenhower--I drew a line with Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Clinton, Bush x 2

Well you get my drift and I don't vote...... I just see the consequences years later.

Thanks Izzy

[Gaining Strength]

I am sorry that this thread was hijacked.  I started it to celebrate the major changes in the American political system - bipartisan not expressing a political point of view. 

It speaks volumes that such was hijacked into mean spirited mudslinging.

[debkor]

I'm excited too...I'm an Obama girl, he gets my vote.

Love
Deb

[Overcomer]

SS-I have always voted Republican but I think the war in Iraq has brought too many bad memories of Vietnam back.  I do not think the Reps are going to win especially since McCain chose a totally unknown person (although my h thinks she's beautiful!!!)

Owning a retail store whose sales are DOWN and watching the skyrocketing price of gas and groceries, I believe the US citizens will overwhelmingly elect the Dem ticket.  Not that Obama is so great but because they want the Reps OUT!!

And I think the perception of a good economy will psychologically make people spend more money and sales will pick up.......I figure no matter who is in the white house, it all becomes a bipartisan quagmire with lots of red tape no matter what.......

I guess Reagan was a good president although I was young and didn't know any better.  However, when I bought my first house in 84 the interest rates were right about 13%.  Now they are at 6%.

SS-as long as people are talking politics I do not think this thread is hijacked.  You know what they say...........never discuss religion or politics if you do not want a fight.  All I have to say about all that is we all have the opportunity to make our own assessments.  It is great to me that we have a black man running for president.  The US has come a long way in my life time.  Even as a young child there was segregation here in the US.  I remember MLK being assassinated and Bobby Kennedy.  A bit young to remember JFK but I had a class on the assassination in college and it still intrigues me....

[mudpuppy]

I started it to celebrate the major changes in the American political system - bipartisan not expressing a political point of view. 

SS,
I agree your first post was bipartisan.

However your next two agreeing with statements about the last 8 years consisting of disgusting displays of greed and destructive naked aggression against life and that it constitutes a public display of Narcissism can not in any way be construed as bipartisan.
So if the thread was hijacked away from bipartisnaship it would seem you participated in it yourself, prior to my posting. In fact those partisan postings prompted mine.
If I had not posted an opposing view, I wonder, would you have complained about highjacking of the thread by the first partisan posts or is it only highjacking if a different partisan view than yours is mentioned but not ones you agree with? If so isn't that kind of the opposite of bipartisan?

We have had these kind of threads before and they usually come down to one side eventually labeling the other political view as Narcissistic (as happened in this case), which leads to pointless, rancorous discussions which have nothing to do with the point of this board and often cause bad blood. That's why I recommend not getting into politics here; it usually leads to harm not healing, which I thought was the point of this place.

mud