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Ellie

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« on: September 13, 2004, 10:56:22 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2004, 11:56:55 AM »
Hi Ellie,

My journey began when I started experiencing panic attacks.  My character was being attacked by my NSIL with people who knew us both.  She is the blackbelt of emotional blackmail.  Thing is, she shared many personality traits with my Ndad.  My Ndad is extremely controlling but does not engage in the crazymaking that she does.  In Ndad's case, he will treat you well if you serve his purpose.  In NSIL's case, she will treat you well until she thinks she "has" you (ie you are a family member and are "supposed" to do the things she wants) then she treats you like crap.  

The final fallout came when she railroaded a second adoption on my brother, when all of us knew how she treated the first one.  It was shocking to me that someone could treat small helpless children as lifeless pawns in her Power Game.  In addition to her shocking behavior and actions (and expectations that I would be the 24/7 nanny--what a privilege :roll: ), was the fact that my Ndad jumped into the middle of all of this trying to railroad his agenda into the middle of hers.  WTF?  I literally had a breakdown due to the dilemma of trying to be the Good Helpful Girl and knowing I had to protect myself ("being selfish").  

I discovered borderline PD first when I saw the title "Stop Walking on Eggshells" at the bookstore, then N.  Voicelessness described my condition exactly.  My mouth fell open when I read it and I told my T about it too.  I didn't know what boundaries were, just that I was supposed to help everyone who asked and not expect anything in return.  In fact, it felt uncomfortable to ask for help or receive assistance of any kind.  It draws too much attention to me.

My journey continues.  Thanks for a thought provoking question, Ellie.  Hugs, Seeker

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2004, 12:00:21 PM »
Hi Ellie,

Another thought:

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reading the part that says they will probably never change was the most depressing moment of my life.


I agree this is a pretty hopeless moment.  But like you say, it does help in a way, because then it makes it easier to re-focus on oneself and one's own growth v. continuing making it all about the N, which is just more of the same if you think about it.  The expectation of changing one's own behavior is more realistic and empowering.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2004, 12:33:10 PM »
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Hi Ellie,

Another thought:

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reading the part that says they will probably never change was the most depressing moment of my life.


I agree this is a pretty hopeless moment.  But like you say, it does help in a way, because then it makes it easier to re-focus on oneself and one's own growth v. continuing making it all about the N, which is just more of the same if you think about it.  The expectation of changing one's own behavior is more realistic and empowering.

 :wink: Seeker


For what it's worth, in my experience, the more I have learned about psychology in general and the way human beings interact with each other, the more peace I have found.

What Seeker said above is very true. The reality is that no one can change anyone else (except by force such as cults, terrorists, dictators). But once I really thought about how much power I actually did have, that is, I could choose how I responded to people who have tried to manipulate or control me or throw me off balance, it really started to put things into perspective for me. I always grew up believing that my parents knew everything and were always correct, and if my perception of something difered from theirs, then I was the one who was wrong...because that was what I'd been taught all those years. Old habits do die hard, but once one steps away from that kind of limiting belief, it opens up doors that previously one might never have imagined.

My entire journey into examining my life and issues was triggered many years ago when a friend refered me to a psychotherapist (as I mentioned in a diferent post). It didn't all hit me at once. Another friend was seeing the same therapist, and this guy hung on her every word and pretty much "assigned" her the responsibility of making him better, which to me doesn't seem very healthy. That friend also discussed his situation with me, and said he was dealing with "narcissistic rage." And as I looked back over our relationship, a lot of things started to add up. I continued to do a lot of reading. I examined a lot of my history and relationships with friends and family, etc. and I found I have tended to be an "N-magnet." Then I realized that tendency of mine started right there in the home with my parents, and I have over the years tried to get them to do some reading or look a little more closely at their lives...but it doesn't do any good, since they claim they believe there is nothing wrong with them. Getting to a point where I can accept that really feels good. Not that I'm happy about it, and when I think about how messed up I have been through a lot of my history, and where a lot of those issues originated, it can be pretty depressing. But the good news is that I am able to make efforts to improve my life and my own attitude and how I relate to other people. The thing that has helped me the most is reading and learning. My family always was pretty isolated, socially, which does not bode well for recovery, since it removes or at least seriously hampers the ability to make comparisons with the way other people function. The best advice I could give anyone sufering with some of these issues would be to make a serious effort to maintain perspective, talk things out with people and read as much as you can. I found Dr. Phil's books to be an enormous help in particular. That may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I was really impressed with this guy's ability to cut to the chase and tell it like it is.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2004, 01:13:43 PM »
I was seriously messed up in my 20s and was deeply depressed. An older coworker dragged me to her 12-step meeting. I heard some very eye-opening things there. Someone at the meeting suggested that I read "The Family" by John Bradshaw. That started the ball rolling where I learned what was really going on, and I learned more and more. I've also been in therapy forever.

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2004, 01:32:02 PM »
It is so refreshing to know that I am not alone.  Don't you feel better knowing that you are not the crazy one?  But the frustration of knowing that your parent will NEVER admit that they have done anything wrong can attack you in the middle of the night with sleeplessness, or in the pit of your stomach.  We really want them to pay - to say they are sorry!  But I guess we just need to go on and do the best we can do and take what they say like water off a duck's back.....
Kelly

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