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TruthSeeker

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Introduction: Sorting it all out
« on: September 11, 2004, 10:11:52 PM »
Greetings to all. Like just about everyone else I have ever known, I grew up in a "dysfunctional family" (as if anyone can really define "functional"). Over the last several years, I have been trying to figure out just how in the world I got from "Point A" to where I am today, and how to get from "here" to where I ultimately want to be (wherever that is). I've become very interested in the subject of psychology and I have become quite adept at being able to recognize and identify "personality disorders" and other quirks which I have felt I had observed in people around me (friends, family, co-workers, etc.) but ultimately, my question came back to: where do I fit in to all of this? What is/are my problem(s)? What is it going to take for me to quit falling back on old habits and patterns of self-sabotage? I apologize if this seems rambling and confusing, but I suppose in many ways, it is.

At this point, I would describe myself thusly: I strongly believe in truth, in treating people around me the way I would like to be treated, and doing my best to contribute something positive to the environment around me, in the naive hope that it might get passed along to others and maybe even come back to me eventually (you know, good karma).

Unfortunately, for much of my history, particularly my childhood and my dealings with my immediate family right up to the present time, I feel like I was surrounded by "un-reality." And at this point, what I seek to do is figure it all out and try to make something positive out of it. I know people who blame their parents, boss, significant other, friends, etc., for every problem or obstacle they've ever encountered in their lives. In fact, I know I frequently have tended to do the same thing myself, but I believe this is counter-productive and only serves to perpetuate those problems. I believe in personal accountability and claiming ownership of one's own life and responsibilities, because that's the only way anyone is going to improve their situation. Point all the fingers you want, but it isn't going to make anything better.

I first sought counseling almost a decade ago, and the immediate catalyst (though this was only one of many issues I needed to address at the time) was a particularly painful breakup with a significant other. At the time, I literally lived in the proverbial "parents' basement," from which I eventually "got a life and moved out" (as William Shatner once suggested so eloquently). I talked with some friends, one of whom gave me a phone number for a therapist (and it turned out a lot of my friends and acquaintances had been or were seeing the same therapist). I called this individual and left a message to be called back. She called and talked to  my father, who presumed to speak for me (as he tended to do) and told her that I wasn't interested. So I called back and made an appointment, and continued to have weekly or bi-weekly sessions for the next year and a half or so. Even though my parents were very vocally critical of my seeing a therapist, I continued to go. My mother, who has classic narcissistic traits, would say things like "Why are you paying someone, when I could straighten you out for free?" She also frequently claimed that I shouldn't go to a "shrink," since she thought I would have to reveal this information on job applications, etc., as if it were some kind of negative stigma. Though both my parents can be extremely negative and discouraging (in fact, tenaciously so), I managed to stay on course until my therapist more or less "retired" and moved away, but in that time, I believe I didn't really have a handle on what my real issues were and I was at the time still very much in the "victim" mode, failing to see the role I myself had played in a lot of my issues (and I like to believe that I have made a lot of progress in that area in the ensuing years). Our discussions never really progressed beyond a "surface" level and I don't believe I ever really got down to the nitty-gritty of how I'd gotten to the point where I was, how the process actually worked, and more importantly (rather than pointing fingers or calling names), how to break the cycle and move forward into a more positive and fulfilling existence.

After my therapist moved, I really didn't pursue any serious counseling, though in the last couple of years, I did make contact with a psychaitrist who prescribed some medication for me (for symptoms of ADD); my "internal jury" is still out regarding whether or not ADD is a "phantom disorder;" I was told I had this when I was a toddler, and of other people I've known who have been labeled that way, I note a lot of similarities in their family backgrounds and childhoods, but I also can say that since I have been on the medication, I feel more focused and more "together," so it seems it's been doing whatever it's supposed to do, so I won't argue with that. However, I am much more interested in dealing with the reality of my issues rather than trying to escape from everything with drugs, and I'm really not interested in being an "Elvis impersonator," thank you very much. :) I have become quite frustrated in sessions with this psychaitrist because any time I have tried to initiate a serious discussion about any real issues, his response is something along the lines of "we have a pill for that," and that's not what I'm looking for. After having spent a year in sessions with a counselor (not a psychaitrist) I feel (as I mentioned earlier) like I never got down to the bare bones of what my actual issues were, but in the years since, I have developed a strong interest in psychology and social issues and I frequently can be found spending long hours at bookstores in the self-help and psychology sections, since that stuff fascinates me. I've gotten to a point where I believe I have a basic understanding of where I'm at, and where I've been, and how I got here. Where I've been having difficulty is in staying focused and moving forward in as positive a way as possible. I have lived on my own for the last six years (having been far too dependent on the family for far too long, which is still an uphill battle), and that has helped me enormously (especially in maintaining perspective, since I can describe my parents as living in an "alternate reality," and I now recognize I once lived there myself; if a twisted misconception is the only reality you've ever known, breaking yourself of it can be quite a challenge). I realize I've been rambling and I haven't gone into a lot of specifics, but I feel I've blabbered on long enough with this, and this post really is just an introduction...but I'll be bringing up some stories later, if anyone's interested...even if it only serves for us to remind each other that we're not crazy and we're not "the only one" who's experienced things like this...

Have a great day!

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2004, 10:55:42 PM »
Location: Suburban Chicago Website:  http://www.shadowlane.com
Occupation:  Writer
Interests: OTK, Music, Writing, Acting, Film, Comedy, TV, Animation, Psychology, Truth

Tony Elka                         E-mail: tony@shadowlane.com
Shadow Lane, Inc.                        Voice:  818-985-9151
P.O. Box 1910                              Fax:  818-508-5187
Studio City CA 91614-0910        Web-Site: www.shadowlane.com

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Shadow Lane, Inc.                           Voice:  818-985-9151  
P.O. Box 1910                                  Fax:  818-508-5187
Studio City CA 91614-0910             www.shadowlane.com

So which one are you? And where does spanking fit in with healing? It just seems provacative on your part to give your web site. Like you  have ulterior motives here. People here are trying to work things out for themselves. Sometimes that includes going over  and over and over the hurts experieced in ther families. Are you really up to that? Or do you want to make others feel bad? Or maybe you want to talk about this spanking issue you have...?

TruthSeeker

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2004, 11:37:06 PM »
Quote from: Offended
Location: Suburban Chicago Website:  http://www.shadowlane.com
Occupation:  Writer
Interests: OTK, Music, Writing, Acting, Film, Comedy, TV, Animation, Psychology, Truth

Tony Elka                         E-mail: tony@shadowlane.com
Shadow Lane, Inc.                        Voice:  818-985-9151
P.O. Box 1910                              Fax:  818-508-5187
Studio City CA 91614-0910        Web-Site: www.shadowlane.com

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Eve Howard                              evehoward@shadowlane.com
Shadow Lane, Inc.                           Voice:  818-985-9151  
P.O. Box 1910                                  Fax:  818-508-5187
Studio City CA 91614-0910             www.shadowlane.com

So which one are you? And where does spanking fit in with healing? It just seems provacative on your part to give your web site. Like you  have ulterior motives here. People here are trying to work things out for themselves. Sometimes that includes going over  and over and over the hurts experieced in ther families. Are you really up to that? Or do you want to make others feel bad? Or maybe you want to talk about this spanking issue you have...?


It's not my web site.

As part of the registration for this site, it asks for some interests, links, etc. It probably was less than prudent for me to have mentioned that, however discreetly, since it clearly is something which isn't for everybody. I was just "answering the question." Sorry if you took offense.

I'll take the link off. That way, it will be more subtle.

To answer your last question, I don't consider it an "issue." I'm at peace with it and have been so for many years. It's a *part* of the many facets of who I am. If it's not for you, then it's not for you. Just like not everyone is into bungee jumping, mountain climbing, canoeing, etc. Or, more to the point, anything you may or may not do in the privacy of your own bedroom in which I (or anyone else) may or may not share your interest.

Make others feel bad? I don't follow you on that. Please elaborate if you don't mind. I was just sharing a small part of myself, and I also note that nothing in your response refers to anything in my original post, beyond a reference in my profile which you evidently found quite troublesome.

But thanks anyway.

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2004, 11:54:55 PM »
If it's not an "issue" to you why mention it, even discreetly? Why do we need to know what you do in your bedroom?
I was offended by your closing quote.

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2004, 11:59:37 PM »
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If it's not an "issue" to you why mention it, even discreetly? Why do we need to know what you do in your bedroom?
I was offended by your closing quote.


You have a right to feel offended, if that is what you choose.

Now how about the *actual content* of my original post? Or did you even read it? Not that it matters. I'm not here to debate people.

Have a nice day and thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2004, 12:04:40 AM »
Although I find it distasteful, the website itself, that is not what I am  offended by. What is offensive is bringing it here, displaying it here, your website, along with your signature. At the least, I find it an indelicate way to introduce yourself.
You lack credibility to me. I find it hard to believe you didn't think it wouldn't bring comment.

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2004, 12:09:09 AM »
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Now how about the *actual content* of my original post? Or did you even read it? Not that it matters. I'm not here to debate people.




The fact we haven't moved past yout signature and website ought to clue you in to something. It negates any credibility elsewhere...

And I did address it in the first post, dig deeper. Have a more discerning eye.

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2004, 01:27:48 AM »
I thought displaying the sig. file and site link was distasteful and tacky. Like the other person, it wasn't the content (live & let live I believe), but just the fact that it was displayed.

I also wondered if it was an attempt at free advertising, because the site has a paid membership area.

Anyway, you've removed them now, and so maybe it is just time to move on from things.  

If you don't care then fine, but in future you might want to be more careful about it if you want to avoid these kinds of problems.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2004, 11:09:25 AM »
Quote from: TruthSeeker
At this point, I would describe myself thusly: I strongly believe in truth, in treating people around me the way I would like to be treated, and doing my best to contribute something positive to the environment around me, in the naive hope that it might get passed along to others and maybe even come back to me eventually (you know, good karma).


Then it's good that you removed that link because it wasn't going to help anyone. Maybe you can explain your motives in putting up such a link since common sense says would only be upsetting and provocative.

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I called this individual and left a message to be called back. She called and talked to  my father, who presumed to speak for me (as he tended to do) and told her that I wasn't interested.


A therapist is not supposed to talk to anyone except the person who left her a message. Talking to your father already broke confidentiality. She has boundary problems. I hope you found a better therapist.

bunny

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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2004, 01:44:00 PM »
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I called this individual and left a message to be called back. She called and talked to  my father, who presumed to speak for me (as he tended to do) and told her that I wasn't interested.


A therapist is not supposed to talk to anyone except the person who left her a message. Talking to your father already broke confidentiality. She has boundary problems. I hope you found a better therapist.

bunny


Interesting. I had never thought about it in those terms (of course, that incident occurred nine years ago). She was leaving a message for me (actually, she was returning my call). Generally speaking, when I try to reach someone by telephone who isn't available and end up leaving a message, I tell the person on the other end who I am, who I'm trying to reach, what I'm calling about, how I can be contacted and when I'll be home or available. It never even occurred to me that even that much information (i.e. what I had called her about) could be considered a breach of the therapist/client relationship (of course, I was not yet a client of hers at the time, I only had inquired about making my first appointment). But given the world we live in today, for example, how easily realtors can get in trouble just because of the way they phrase something to a customer, that doesn't surprise me at all. Unfortunately, I never did find another therapist, unless you count the psychaitrist I've seen more recently whose answer to everything seems to be "take a pill." (Am I correct that in general terms, *psychotherapists* mostly deal in "talk therapy" and *psychaitrists* or MDs primarily deal with the medical side of things?)

I've felt very uneasy with this psychaitrist, who I mostly deal with for my prescription (only one; I've resisted his suggestions to get me to take more drugs). The first time I went to see him, I told him I had been reading about ADD (attention-deficit disorder), which I'd been told I had when I was around five years old (at that time, it was commonly known as "minimal brain dysfunction"). I had read a few books on the subject and felt like a lot of the symptoms and characteristics they described (for instance, in the book "You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Stupid Or Crazy") were things I'd been experiencing for years. I was quite intrigued to read that medicine could help with a lot of these issues. Just like the night my friend referred me to my therapist nine years ago, I thought this was a rather "unconventional" idea, I'd never tried it before and I had no reason to think that it would or would not help me, but I was willing to give it a try. I looked this guy up on the recommendation of the mother of a woman I was dating at the time (which raises some credibility issues, given some things I experienced with her and her family later, but that's a whole other story; for the record, the woman I was then dating was sufering from manic depression). It turned out his office was less than a mile from me in the hometown where I had grown up. He'd gotten a glolwing recommendation, and I'd been told he had been very helpful in discussing things and talking things out, and getting to the root of her issues...but when I went to see him, there were a couple of "red flags," and he basically asked me a few questions and then prescribed the stuff for me. I thought that just seemed too easy, and I was uncomfortable with his tendency to suggest I should take more drugs. I mentioned this to the woman I was dating at the time and to her mother (who was an RN) and the mother seemed to become very indignant, telling me I should not question what my doctor says because he is an expert in his field and that's what I'm paying him to do, and I should trust him...just remembering that, I'm thinking of how the woman I was then dating was taking about a dozen prescription drugs a day...it was a seriously messed up situation, but that's a whole other subject altogether. The guy seemed like a "quack" to me, but as I said before in my original post, since I have been on the stuff, it seems to be helping, so I'll count my blessings. In terms of really sitting down and seriously talking about what's going on in my life, though, the guy's useless.

Have a great day.

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2004, 04:50:40 PM »
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She was leaving a message for me (actually, she was returning my call).


I understood that. She broke confidentiality before even talking to you. Another therapist would not have talked to some other person in the house. Another therapist would not have left a message unless they thought you would get it directly. And they wouldn't ID themselves as a therapist.



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(Am I correct that in general terms, *psychotherapists* mostly deal in "talk therapy" and *psychaitrists* or MDs primarily deal with the medical side of things?)


There are psychiatrists who are also psychotherapists and even psychoanalysts. I see one. You can do a bit of research about the person ahead of time, to see if they fit your needs.  If you're seeing someone you don't like, look for someone else. It's a free country and it's your money.

bunny

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2004, 02:15:24 PM »
("Insert benign, non-provocative quote here")

Yes this really helps. :roll:  Why not just take the step to maturity and leave off a signature altogether?

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2004, 03:50:03 PM »
Well, I come back after a couple days and see I've missed all the excitement.
 
It would seem ironic that a person would resort to pain to relieve themselves from pain.  Masochism is much more than deriving pleasure from pain—it is empowering to some individuals. In many cases, people resort to self-harm to rebel against societal confines and in the process, redeem their sense of control and freedom.  Having an abusive Nar parent can cause a lot of psychological problems in children, which can last a life time.  Heck, I was on Paxil for years.  None of us here have escaped unscathed.  

I think everyone tries to somehow cope with the abuse they have/are suffering from,  looking for a way out of their pain.  For some it may take a negative turn, in the form of alcohol/drug abuse,  over-eating/bulimia,  or even the desire to experience pain through cutting oneself or a spanking.  

Truthseeker has already apologized and removed the naughty site.   No sense  anyone still having their panties in a bunch over it.  Everyone is entitled to mess up once, so let us move on from this.  Don't be distracted from who the real enemy is.  

Everybody have a good day.

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2004, 04:55:24 PM »
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No sense anyone still having their panties in a bunch over it.


This smacks of "shaming" - intending to  silence.

If  a person responds with an allegorical "F-You"- as the signature suggests to me - then you can bet I will reply.

Have a nice day.