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Dr. Richard Grossman

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Happiness research: societal implications?
« on: May 10, 2009, 12:06:00 PM »
Hi everybody,

A Boston Globe article on happiness research raises some interesting questions:

Perfectly Happy
The new science of measuring happiness has transformed self-help. Now scholars suggest it could transform society.
by  Drake Bennett

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/05/10/perfectly_happy/

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Richard

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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 12:24:06 PM »
Hmmmm....I've read Seligman's and other's research at length about positive psychology.  In an ideal world, their theories may have some element of validity but this article and its precepts are troubling and even a little frightening.  Happiness is still so subjective.  For instance, as the daughter of an Nmom, nothing would make me happier than to have had a healthy, loving relationship with my mother.  But that happiness is based on the fact that I never had that relationship in my life.  Having a healthy, loving relationship may not rate as high on the priority list for others who have not had the same experiences as I.

Also, it is concerning if all decisions---political, legal, etc. have happiness as their sole criteria.  First of all, on whose opinions would those decisions be based?  And what would happen if every decision was made with only happiness in mind.  For example, eating ice cream and chocolate all day would make a 6 year old happy.  But does that mean we should allow that to occur?  There are so many other factors that contribute to happiness and it is so subjective, a fact that is dependent on one's individual experiences, upbringing, genetics, etc.

Ultimately, I doubt that our current societal structures would allow for personal happiness research to drive their decision making....But I do think it is useful for individuals to pay more attention to what makes them happy and what doesn't....and to learn how to obtain happiness by dealing with the guilt, shame and other factors that prevent them from achieving it.  That would be a significant contribution that social psychologists could make to society.

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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 10:17:52 AM »
Interesting, Dr. G.

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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2009, 03:38:41 PM »
How upsetting.... or maybe it's just plain SILLY...

Social engineering finds a new low, I think. Last thing we need is another yardstick to tell individuals how "not normal" they are... a one size fits all new "normal" that tries to squeeze unique individuals into some android "mold" ... another way to define US & THEM...

... and some patriarchal gov'mint agency telling us what "happy" is, officially. Would China's "happy" be different from the US definition? What about Nebraska and Connecticut?

If I'm ONLY happy when I have a cat - but you're horribly allergic to them - who decides which of us is allowed to own, must own or must forego a cat to meet the "happy" requirements? Does everyone get half a cat? A hairless cat? Maybe I'm happy to live in a tent... but the government has said I can only be happy with "standard" housing... there goes the Yurt & Teepee manufacturers!

Really. It's ABSURD, in my opinion.
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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 03:33:11 PM »
Amber:

I agree that having arbitrary happiness standards, set for any group, is unhelfpul.

However, I find statistics, on what people believe would make them happy and what actually made them happy, helpful in a general sense.

I'm more mindful about my about my own thoughts on the subject.

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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2009, 04:13:11 PM »
I'm certainly not one who knows much about happiness, as opposed to a more 'contented' life, and stats mean nothing to me.

I wrote a song that contains these lines:
Disappointments are just a part of living
Often, very hard to leave behind.
I *can't expect nothing* back than what I'm giving.
Happy's just a moment at a time
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*double negative is my country way of writing*

I can agree that a blind person will adapt, as I have, to the disability, but when there is chronic or lengthy painful periods it can certainly douse one's 'contentment' with life.

Right now I am living a "discontented contented' life, with a day of anger thrown in now and again, for this intrusion on my person. Yet I can feel a moment of 'happiness' when I have made a new accomplishment-- leaning sideways on my bad side to pick up from the floor, see that I can lift my left leg ¼" off the floor, both without pain. It's means I am healing.

Getting my own way does not make me happy. It scares me to attempt to have my way and use the right words to get there. That is a moment of satisfaction/accomplishment that is short-lived. I have just changed something for the better for myself without 'breaking any laws/rules'.

Then again, my contentment might be my definition of 'happiness'.

Far too often I have to say, "This too shall pass"

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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2009, 04:59:21 PM »
Mo2: and your thoughts are?

Sorry for my strong response. But, there is just something rediculous to me about quantifying happiness - even defining it - and maybe that's my problem.

Iz: amazing how little it takes for some of us to be happy. I hope you're on the mend now.
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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 11:50:53 AM »
Mo2: and your thoughts are?




As diverse as anyone else's in the matter, I'm sure.

Some facts, about what people thought would make them happy and what they actually found did make them happy...... reminded me of some surprising statistics I read in a book...... forget it's title now but.....

one example was:

Homes with pools are more likely to end in distasters, with children, than Homes with guns.  Maybe by 20%, if I recall correctly.

It's just an interesting fact that made me go Hmmm, just like the article did.

I agree that quantifying and defining happiness is pretty pointless.


Interesting, in my early twenties, my sister used to sneer at me:

"It takes so little to make you happy."  Like that was a bad thing.



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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 01:00:26 PM »
Was the book "Stumbling on Happiness" - Daniel Gilbert ?

I read that and thought a lot of the ideas in it were interesting. One of his premises is that we really can't predict in the future what will create feelings of happiness, and in fact - we often can't use the past as a good guide, either. I guess I've seen the truth in this idea, in myself. I hated cabbage as a kid - even the smell of it would turn my stomach. But now I really like it, and all the other brassica family - like brussels sprouts. The book was pretty funny - the kinds of examples and illustrations he used. I even passed the book on to my daughter, I was so impressed with it.

Like you, it doesn't take much to make me happy. In fact, it's often the littlest things that I depend on the most. And no, it's not a bad thing! Sort of liberating, I think.
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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 08:58:47 PM »
Brussels sprouts out front,
in your honor, PR...

I talk to them.

Funny stalky things.

Yum.

Hops
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Re: Happiness research: societal implications?
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 12:06:41 PM »
Brussell sprouts sauteed with butter and garlic and white whine...

yum.