Author Topic: Voiceless AGAIN?!  (Read 11303 times)

Ami

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7820
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2009, 07:57:20 PM »
Dear Rose
 I know what you are saying about earlier postures toward life.  I am re-discovering  them,now.
  It sounds like that happened to you, too.   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

sKePTiKal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5440
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2009, 08:28:10 AM »
Hey Rose - no apology needed - you aren't causing me or the board "distress". I know the need to completely empty yourself of words... especially when you've been triggered into feeling old "stuff" again. I've done more than my share of "hysterical babbling" (my definition of what I do) just to take the internal pressure I felt, down a notch or two...I was just concerned that in the process, you're not able to find moments of calm and relaxation. You need that, too.

I wonder, about what you said... about a feeling coming up that you hadn't fully dealt with - at today's level. I wonder, if perhaps you are being reminded of the loss that occurs - loss of and grief for, a primal relationship and aspects of our self - when we have a mother who can't - for whatever reason - perform the essential functions of mothering, except dysfunctionally. For myself, I've found that I do repeat the process of dealing with that level of core, primary loss, over and over... because I haven't yet completed the necessary relationship between my "self" and myself to replace that loss. It's still a work in progress.

It might not hold true for you... but I thought I'd make the suggestion of the idea, since you seem to also be searching for "clues" along with needing to just "get it all out".
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

rosencrantz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 523
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2009, 11:19:08 AM »
I have relaxed into my exhaustion - so I'm not rushing around like a headless chicken any more.  But here lies misery and...anxiety.  I feel as tho I'll jump out of my skin at the least 'disturbance' to my equilibrium ie way out of what's reasonable. It reminds me of being like a baby - the 'startle' reflex. 

Ooh - how interesting : I just looked that up on Wiki - An exaggerated startle response is often seen in patients with Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

Just goes to show that too much stress over too long a period causes real significant physiological problems : http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/morgan.html?opm=1&rr=rr107&srt=d&echorr=true

I thought I was so much better but clearly I needed to be a whole lot stronger before getting clobbered again.  So perhaps there is a tiny bit of hope that i could have a normal life again one day.  Am just completely burnt out - AGAIN!  Grrrr!
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

Ami

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7820
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2009, 11:39:01 AM »
Dear Rose
 I know what you mean about EXTREME irritability. After Scott died, I had his loss plus a whole life time of other losses.
 For me, Kundalini Yoga is restoring me body and mind.
 I used to have dark circles under my eyes(adrenal tiredness). Lately, they are gone.
  Keep sharing, Rose.
 Having our M's is a lifetime of sorry, grief, stress and remorse. You are among friends!   Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

rosencrantz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 523
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2009, 01:31:55 PM »
Adrenal tiredness - dark circles : interesting!  I did a test some time ago and discovered my adrenals were completely burnt out (which validated my thoughts that an operation to cure the cancer would actually have killed me! I'm glad I believed my intuition at the time - even tho I had to 'run away' in order to stand my ground!!) (Now there's the story of my life!!)  Impossible to be different to how we are. People think I'm strong.  I'm not weak but...

I did pay attention to your suggestion about Kundilini Yoga (tho I'm not a great one for Yoga)  The DVD you suggested isn't (yet?) available in this country but I've got a similar one on its way!!
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

Ami

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7820
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2009, 03:41:35 PM »
Kundalini Yoga has simple postures and  focuses on breathing . I got Yoga for Dummies---Beginner and Intermediate. I learned simple postures enough  to do most things.
 Even without the Yoga for Dummies,if you can  breathe and do  simple  movements ,such as raising your hands above your head,you will thrive.
 I hope I have not been too pushy about it. I am so excited to finally heal.
 It is a beauty and anti-aging treatment, too.
 You get so much oxygen that your skin glows.
 Let me know if you go forward with it.
    Love  Ami
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

sKePTiKal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5440
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2009, 08:18:52 AM »
Well, Rose if you could bring yourself to try my suggestion for a very short time - a few minutes total, 3 times a day - you might be able to lower that anxiety level. Doesn't hurt to try, does it? And it's better than a pill that has worse side-effects than the benefit you're trying to achieve! My feelings won't be hurt, if it doesn't at least "take the edge off" for you.

Any mind-body activity will probably have very positive effects for you. It did for me - I went with tai chi, instead of yoga. Partly, because classes/class times offer me a structure and social interaction.
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

Ami

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7820
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2009, 08:37:37 AM »
Dear ((Rose))
 Part of having a voice(our goal ) is to chose and/or reject what does not fit.
 I feel  pushy with my suggestions but  it is from a place of love. If they do not seem applicable to you, reject them..
   Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

rosencrantz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 523
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2009, 03:57:56 PM »
Hi PhoenixRising - Oh I do so hate to stop and smell the roses ;-)  I was taught how to meditate as part of my recovery from cancer and I was doing not too badly - but these 'threats from the outside world' have put me in a place where I don't feel safe enough to stop and feel/think/sense.  However, I have started to put on some of my tapes - can't say I'm 'listening' but I believe in the power of the subconscious to hear what we think we haven't heard! 

I was re-reading your post - I hadn't fully taken all of it in before so I must have calmed down significantly to be able to 'hear' you today!! 

I used to think that everyone was out to make me look mentally unstable, that everyone would react to me like my mom & brother did and I tried to overcompensate by being as unemotional and rational as I possibly could... but I was wrong. The only reason I ever had to tell someone about "what's really going on" was to reassure myself.

I feel embarrassed but 'recognised'.  Mortified but 'saved'.  Thing is: I'm driving myself over the cliff into mental instability, struggling and fighting with this demon!!!

Everyone else already SAW and KNEW.  Kinda mortifying isn't it!! 

And while I was so busy overcompensating - I wasn't taking care of my own physical, emotional, intellectual needs. In fact, I'd gotten to the point, I didn't really know what those needs WERE.

Oh yes - totally.

You got me!  It's rather like being pinned down (not in a bad way) so I can't move, can't keep struggling and running around like a headless chicken.  I'm saved from making an even greater idiot of myself because 'there's the truth' but alert, alert, ready for the next threat in case it comes. LOL  Not relaxed exactly but listening. ;-)

Thank you.
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

rosencrantz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 523
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2009, 04:02:18 PM »
Hi Ami - That's one of our 'things', too, I think.  Feeling pushy for having made a perfectly reasonable suggestion which had no strings attached.  I didn't feel imposed on by your suggestion or the fact that you offered me something from your own experience.  That strikes me as 'normal'.  It's the people who defensively can't accept something entirely appropriate who have the problem.  (And maybe that's also sometimes us!! ;-) But not on this occasion. ;-))
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

rosencrantz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 523
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2009, 05:49:57 PM »
A big step forward today. 

I went to a business meeting.  This is another area of my life where I am 'unheard'.  I have been taking slow painful steps to make a difference, to work on the people concerned, to make myself known for who I really am (not colluding with negative impressions and assumptions) - but nothing seems to change.  People don't change, however willing.  I've been through 'explanation'. 'confrontation', sharing, suggesting, patience, opting out and then self-defeating anger.   This has been going on for years.  I get knocked back, knocked down, ignored.  My misery and depression had reached the lowest point and I intended to leave it all behind because I just couldn't take any more pain.  (It's more complicated than just a 'job' but I'll protect my privacy if you don't mind by not going into detail)

However, I discovered that two people feel the same way I do.  One also had expressed a desire to walk away. The other was shaking with passionate rage, frustration, anger...disappointment - and enumerating the many things that *I* have felt.  Wow!  It's not just about me and my inadequacy and neediness and expectations which are too high or inappropriate!!! 

There aren't any 'N's here - or at least I don't think so.  It's not about internal politics. There are good hearts, good intentions - fear, sensitivities, investments at stake - maybe even gender makes the difference.  People work hard - but perhaps at the wrong things.  And also give the impression that the best people aren't listened to and are undermined in all sorts of subtle ways.  (No, there *really* isn't 'N'-ism at work even tho it may sound like it.)

Anyway...I made really good intelligent contributions to the meeting - I'm well capable of doing so but I'm amazed that I did.  I didn't 'sweat' or have 'buzzy hearing' before speaking and it was only quite late in the day (and I'd had to wait for a while before I could share my thoughts on this occasion) that I started to shake before I spoke.  I have a brain so it's natural that I should have opinion but I was contributing, making a difference.  I even managed to remember what I intended to say - I managed to keep my thoughts in my brain long enough to finish multiple sentences!!! 

I'm not sure I remember a time when i could do that in a group - a roomful of people - if I wasn't actually chairing the meeting!!!! And, between stress, menopause and medication, I didn't think I had (would ever have) a functioning brain any more.

What made the difference?  Working hard at making one person understand me perhaps made a space in which I was allowed to speak without getting blown back (too often anyway!).  And for once I only had to drive fairly locally so I didn't arrive totally stressed out.

But...d'you know what...when I told my ('estranged') husband two days ago that I wanted out (I wasn't seeking permission, it was a statement of fact and nothing to do with him or his life) he said 'don't worry, I'm sure we can all live on my pension'.  That is probably the kindest, kindest thing anybody has ever said to me.  With all the difficulties we have faced, in our opposite corners, with fear and misery and misunderstandings and all the rest - and knowing his 'issues' about money and debt...it was the very last thing I would have ever expected.  'His' money never even crossed my mind!!!!!

i do realise, realistically, that it probably meant a kind of status quo for him that wouldn't actually be very healthy for me - but that's the nature of AS and not evil intention.

But what matters is how it impacted on me : what a kind, kind, kind, kind thing to say, to offer.

It reminds me of a time when a therapist said 'I wouldn't do that because I know it would send you into a spin'.

[Well, I think she would and she did say something in particular - can't remember what it was all about now! - but what matters is that she was able to have the WISH not to. And I didn't realise until this moment that it means I am sent into a spin by things because I know someone wishes to create the 'spin'. It relates to my mother's manipulative behaviour towards me.  I am stunned and slightly confused - will have to think some more about that!!]

Anyway - that was probably all very boring and irrelevant, but...I just wanted to share that something very positive happened today.  I functioned!!!!!  And seeds have been sown that will really will make a difference.

Unbelievable.  (Oh, and I also practiced having 'happy' thoughts all the way to the meeting - can't say I really succeeded but I did keep stopping myself from catastrophizing and being too miserable and depressed - just maybe it made a difference!?!)

"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

Ami

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7820
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2009, 10:23:31 PM »
Dear Rose,
 You are celebrating things such as being able to think in the meeting.I celebrate with you (( Rose)).  I know what you mean about s/one saying s/thing very loving and it is so overwhelming . It is  a big Wow b/c we have been so rejected.
 I have had moments like that where my heart actually swells  b/c s/one loves me .
     Ami

 
« Last Edit: June 10, 2009, 03:57:27 PM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

sKePTiKal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5440
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2009, 10:57:14 AM »
eh.... Rose... really, nothing to be mortified about! We really can't "do" anything about "them" - nor should we (for the sake of our own sanity, I believe). Once in a while, it becomes necessary to try to explain... and sure thing, all those other feelings come up right along with it. Don't you just hate reflexive programming in our brains??!

I didn't mean to pin you down - only to get you take a good long, refreshing deep breath! I certainly recognized EXACTLY the space you were in... having spent most of my life there. This too, shall pass.

Glad you had a success! The hardest thing for me to learn, was that other people wouldn't react to me the way my mother/brother do. That's coz I just assumed - and you know what they say about assuming - that I was the one with the "problem". At least, according to "them", I was! Those kinds of successes are pretty important and they deserve - as do you - your moment of glory.
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

rosencrantz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 523
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2009, 12:53:15 PM »
It's OK - I am happy to take responsibility for my own feelings - no blame or responsibility allocated elsewhere.

I wish I could remember that when other people dump on me because it's MY fault that they feel whatever they feel!!  Bleah!

And I've just realised : I'm not voiceless any more!!!!
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

sKePTiKal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5440
Re: Voiceless AGAIN?!
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2009, 04:17:46 PM »
Quote
And I've just realised : I'm not voiceless any more!!!!

... and it's all good.
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.