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JustKathy

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2009, 03:06:36 PM »
This is a little-known song that Michael Jackson wrote back in 1995. I may be wrong, but I think it was used in the movie "Free Willy." It's hard to read these lyrics without getting weepy, even more so if you are the child of an N.

Childhood
Written and Composed by Michael Jackson.
Produced by Michael Jackson.

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for the world that I come from
'Cause I've been looking around
In the lost and found of my heart...
No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities...
'Cause I keep kidding around
Like a child, but pardon me...

People say I'm not okay
'Cause I love such elementary things...
It's been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood
I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like pirates in adventurous dreams,
Of conquest and kings on the throne...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my Childhood?

People say I'm strange that way
'Cause I love such elementary things,
It's been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood (Childhood) I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
But the dreams I would dare, watch me fly...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I've had

Have you seen my Childhood....

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 04:13:07 AM »
JK,
I bet you're gorgeous. And thanks for the inspiration about fitness. (That would contrast me with my Nmother as well.) I have about 15 pounds (and a few miles) between me and the goal. But the real goal is to consistently take care of myself by eating only super-nutritious foods. When I do that I feel so much better that I want to walk more anyway.

My Dad grew up in old L.A. and used to have curbside lunches with Charlie Chaplin, when they were filming Keystone Kops films on his street. It was magical once...

Thank you for the stories.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2009, 10:09:32 AM »
Hey Hops...

just wanted to say that I don't get "fans" either. The closest I got to that, was Cat Stevens. But maybe that was just a crush - those dark, curly locks of hair and all. And his music was wistfully child-like and playful. But then he converted to Islam... and while I do "get" that there are many peaceful, spiritual aspects to Islam (I still enjoy Sufi stories) he got involved with some radical aspects for a time. It just put me off and seemed to be betraying his own origins of peace, love, and reaching for utopia. I can't quite bring myself to listen to his new album. (gosh, I guess that dates me... it's probably on iTunes).

As for MJ... I was very involved in music about the time the Jackson Five got started. There was always something "wrong" about that group... something that was just under the surface of the glitz. As if they were all trying too hard. Other pop music was blandly inane. And I guess, when Michael and Janet went off on their own... I still felt the same way about their "art". Over-produced or something. (Mask as expression??)

And since I knew early Motown & Blues - I missed the raw, emotional edge of that music in the later re-interpretations. Even folk music and bluegrass seemed more "authentic" than pop.

I wonder how many of us allowed our music to "speak" for us, during our voiceless times? And if that's one of the things behind "fans"?

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2009, 06:26:14 PM »
Aw shucks, Hops. How kind of you. Nahhhh . . . I'm not gorgeous, but I think I've reached the point where I've now comfortable in my own skin, which is a place that MJ never would have arrived at. He turned himself into a monster, but I think I do get at least some of the reasons why he wanted to change his appearance. As freakish as he looked, I have to wonder how he felt about it . . . if it helped his self esteem at all.

I do have to say that I probably would have been a couch potato if not for my desire to be better than my N parent. I'm not a fitness fanatic, but eat a healthy vegetarian diet and work at not "letting myself go." If anything good has come from being the child of an N, maybe my quest to be better than her will ultimately make me healthier and happier, and that I'll live to be very very OLD (which I know will piss her off from the grave). What a wicked thing to say, but ugh, I mean it. Good luck to you on your own fitness quest. Sounds like you don't have have far to go in reaching your goal. Here's something I never ever heard from my N mother, and I LOVE saying it. I'M PROUD OF YOU.  :D

As for the fan worship thing, I really believe that it's a disorder in itself. I can't begin to speculate what might trigger it in someone, but it has to be some kind of illness. Everybody has favorite actors and musicians, but when you start worshiping a celebrity to such extreme levels, that's definitely not normal. Dr. Drew Pinsky just wrote a book about celebrity worship that I was thinking of reading. Not that I'm interested in celebrity worship, but had heard it contained some insight on narcissism. It's called "The mirror effect: how celebrity narcissism is seducing America."
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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2009, 06:35:30 PM »
"I wonder how many of us allowed our music to "speak" for us, during our voiceless times? And if that's one of the things behind "fans"?"

Amber, I just noticed your final sentence there. Yes! I have always been a huge music fan, and have found myself connected to certain songs that relate to my life. Some music I would listen to just because it made me feel good and gave me an escape, but in other cases, a very dark, odd song would come along that I felt spoke for me. There's a song by the band Everclear called "Father of Mine," which is about parental abuse. There's a line in there where he says "I will always be a little weird inside." My husband listens to that song and to him it's just a song, but whenever I hear it, I really feel something. Definitely less voiceless.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2009, 01:34:32 PM »
I just saw an article on the Internet that TMZ is saying that the three children are not Michael Jackson's nor Debbie Rowe's biological children.  (Wouldn't surprise me if the court orders DNA testing.)  Now it makes me think of that song:  "Billie Jean"..."the kid is not my son..."

Those poor kids though!  They're old enough to pick up on what is going on and, most likely, interacting with other kids who watch TV, etc. and hear about the possibility that egg donors, sperm donors and surrogates were involved for pay.  It feels like these kids were bought and sold but never legally adopted.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2009, 03:18:59 PM »
Yeah, there's a dermatologist who has come out the woodwork and is claiming that he was the sperm donor. There was a family law attorney on CNN last night, and she said that by law, a sperm donor gives up all parental rights at the time they provide their "material." So whether or not these claims are true, there won't be any testing. Jackson's name is on the birth certificate, and in the eyes of the law, that's how it will stay.

That said, I agree about how awful it must be for these kids to have to hear this stuff (most of it probably untrue). I have to hope that the grandmother is sheltering them from this as much as possible.

One bit of good news . . . Katherine and Joe Jackson are apparently married on paper only, and have not been living together for at least a decade. CNN says that Katherine Jackson has been living at the Encino home, while Joe Jackson has been living in Las Vegas for the last ten years. So the children will be kept away from that horrible N father, and cared for by Michael's mother, who by all accounts is a really wonderful woman.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2009, 05:27:44 PM »
I was wondering if Michael's father is enjoying the attention he is geting because of his son's death. Michael was so much disaproved of him self that he tried to change his face, his color, etc. Probably that cmae from his relationship with the same sex parent.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2009, 12:54:24 PM »
I was wondering if Michael's father is enjoying the attention he is geting because of his son's death. Michael was so much disaproved of him self that he tried to change his face, his color, etc. Probably that cmae from his relationship with the same sex parent.

What I've observed, that NFather is trying!  He started to brag about his record company and a reporter commented about it being an inappropriate time to be crowing about that!  It's like:  "Come on, man!  Your son has just DIED!!!!"

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2009, 04:46:04 PM »
You are so much right bones!!!!!!

God forgive them  all.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2009, 05:56:04 PM »
What I've observed, that NFather is trying!  He started to brag about his record company and a reporter commented about it being an inappropriate time to be crowing about that!  It's like:  "Come on, man!  Your son has just DIED!!!!"

It's disgusting. I can't believe that Joe Jackson is using the media attention to pimp his new record label. He went to the BET awards, and that's all he had to talk about, while sister Janet could barely keep her composure. He's an N to the bone, using his son's death for his own personal gain. Thank goodness the children are with their grandmother.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2009, 08:48:38 PM »
It confirmed my opinion of Joe Jackson....he is a JackA$$!!!!!

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2009, 10:53:12 AM »
I know this may sound harsh...what about his children and the other children who were victimized by him?  Where are their voices?  Having been victimized by the NWomb-Donor, her pedophile boyfriend, then the court system, I can identify with the children who were molested, then silenced by his money!  I hope those children REGAIN their voices!!!!!

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Hi all:

I am new here, but this post got my attention. 

I am ambivalent about Michael Jackson, at this point.  I love his music and respect his talent.  I also feel he was abused.

Still as more and more stories surface about him, It appears that he himself was often abusive towards people.  It appears that he could not break the cycle of his own abuse.  Some survivors of Narcissistic abusive parents can, others can't.

Also, several videos of his children professing their love for "Daddy" in a very contrived and controlled way before the camera gave me chills.  It just seemed like Jackson was trying too hard to film the image of a perfect family.  It does not seem healthy.

Also, the allegations of molestation toward Jackson were never proved or disproved.  Therefore, I am profoundly concerned about the damage that could be done to any possible victims of molestation by Jackson, if it is true.

If Jackson did molest children, can you imagine their pain and confusion they will experience by seeing Michael held up as a hero and a philanthropist as well as a victim, without recognition of Jackson's own abusive persona that may have been kept hidden but still existed.   

Michael Jackson was a talented but trouble man.   I do not believe however that he deserves the type of media attention he is currently bestowed.  Basically, before his death he was somewhat of a has been and had not created a new Album that matched thriller, in quite some time.  That is why this present seemingly overblown interest in his music, at this point is somewhat confusing.  I am wondering if there is a clever marketing machine manipulating the media coverage with the hope of cashing in on Jackson's death.

I think a lot of stories about Jackson will likely surface now that he is gone, and can not hurt anyone through gossip or withholding of career advancement or money. Perhaps than we will get a clearer picture of the real Michael Jackson and not just the picture that he wanted the world to see.

Already, I have seen interviews with a few people who feel they were abused or dismissed unfairly by Jackson, and the resentment in their voices is palpable.  Are these people credible?  I don't know. Iit's pretty difficult to compete with a touted legend.  Still, likely more and more credible people will come forward.

Jackson's black and white thinking though seems apparent in Deepak Chopra's statements that when he tried to warn Michael of the dangers of certain drugs, Jackson simply cut him off, refusing to take his calls until he fell in line and stopped mentioning the danger of the drugs.  Who does that to a supportive friend other than a personality disordered person?

Also, the way he totally abandoned his beloved chimp.  The chimp he treated like a child and jokingly referred to as his son. The sanctuary owner said unlike other former chimp owners who needed to relinquish their chimps for safety reasons, Jackson never visited his former beloved pet.   The sanctuary owner said that chimps have long memories and the chimp would certainly remember Jackson and would have enjoyed a visit from his former owner. 

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2009, 11:18:18 AM »
Very:

talented
abused
twisted
exploited
exploitative
indulged
self-indulgent
self-absorbed
damaged
damaging

I don't think he's a good hero and I am chilled by the mass worship. His death and life were tragic, in ways inspiring, but anyone who saw the vidoes of the children he molested (I believe my gut regardless of whether his lawyers prevailed) should have had their blood run cold.

The culture is sooooooooo sick. We have lost the capacity to choose heroic heroes.

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Re: Michael Jackson
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2009, 11:51:09 AM »
I think all the hoopla that is occurring this morning in LA and the world around Michael Jackson is very sobering to say the least.  LA is spending $4 million to manage the memorial tribute alone!  Imagine all the good that could be done with that money.....

Yes, he was an extraordinarly talented musician.....yes, he was even more troubled and damaging....but to me, to place this artist on a pedestal of this magniture, or any artist for that matter (let alone one who likely died of a self-induced drug addiction not to mention one who was accused of unspeakable acts against children) is just so tragic.

In death, as in life, he is being turned into just another circus spectacle.  And a narcissistic one at that.  His casket alone was gold-plated and cost $25,000.

Our society has gone way past an age of reason.....How sad that these are the people we place on such a pedestal and reward with such riches and accolades.

Praise his musical achievements...yes....but to pay him  a tribute worthy of royalty?  In my view, it is indeed misplaced.  No wonder an increasing number of our children are growing up to be Ns.