Author Topic: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life  (Read 6977 times)

Ami

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Re: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2009, 12:41:10 PM »
Thanks Lise, that is so sweet .          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2009, 01:47:43 PM »
I went to my therapist today, and she actually said some pretty insightful things. She didn't side with my F at all this time. I think, in light of recent events, she's now realized that her telling me that I need to be there for my dad was not the best advice. She's now "getting" that he's not this poor brainwashed simple-minded little man, but a rotten parent who did badly by his children.

Interesting . . . she said exactly what Ami said in an earlier thread, that children need to go into denial to save themselves. She said that it's often better for a young child to go into denial, because a child cannot live with the knowledge that neither parent loves them. However, in adulthood, it has to be faced.

When talking about the recent news about the will and other junk, we both agreed that while it was a real shock, it wasn't unexpected. She said that I need to look at all future letters, emails etc. with the attitude of "it's nothing new." Don't let it get to me, don't let it hurt me. Dismiss it as "it's nothing new." She's right. I've been hearing the same crap for decades. It's nothing new. It will never be new. It will always be the same lies, the same hurt, but I can make the choice to allow it hurt me or not. By acknowledging that it's nothing new, just the same-old same-old, I can read it (or not), and shrug it off, and move on with my daily activities.

She also agreed that no spouse is so completely brainwashed by an N that they are incapacitated in controlling their own will. That my father did show strength in his decisions, and his decisions were to protect NM and the golden child. I told her that I felt NC was the best thing for now, and she sure didn't try to talk me out of it. She did tell me to fill my mind with other things . . . work on my novel, get involved with online groups, paint, whatever . . . just keep my mind occupied at all times because an empty mind can easily start wandering off to that dark place again.

For once I feel better after a T visit. A good morning for me.  :D

Kathy

Ami

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Re: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2009, 02:27:34 PM »
Dear Kathy
 It is good that your therapist understood. Alice Miller talks about the child not being able to bear the fact that they were not loved. That is why we hate ourselves so badly. We have to turn the rejection somewhere.The abused child turns it inward.
 The degree to which we hate ourselves is the degree to which we HAD to go in to denial and probably how bad it was.
 You and I are facing the same thing---the "good " F.
 I have been having feelings of hopelessness these last few days. I think it is from this. My F was the last hope I had for a family tie that meant anything.
 I always thought my life would revolve around family and extended family as it often does in the Jewish culture. I am finally seeing that it won't be that way for me.
 My Aunt(M's sister) has that type of life. I would love to have it but I don't and never did. I had to destroy myself to stay in enough denial to think I had a caring family---URRGH!
 I have to trust God. I do have beautiful things in my life. It was just not my family.
 My first step is my relationship with myself. That is the hardest but most foundational. I have looked to the outside to make me "something" when *I* need to KNOW I am something and then interact on the outside.
 It is a big difference but I hope I am getting there.
You are facing the truth ,Kathy. Down deep, we always knew it.          XXXOOOO     Ami
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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JustKathy

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Re: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2009, 02:50:10 PM »
We have to turn the rejection somewhere.The abused child turns it inward.

One thing I found interesting when I was listening to the Michael Jackson phone conversations that were leaked, is when he talked about his father abusing him, he said most people take it out on other people, but "I took it out on myself." And you can see how well that turned out.

I'm starting to think that MJ did the opposite of what we did. He seems to have been in denial about his mother being the perfect loving parent. Katherine Jackson was clearly not totally codependent and effed up like our F's were, but doesn't it seem that he wanted to believe she was perfect? And now she is challenging his will, and trying to take control of his assets. Going against her son's final wishes for CONTROL.

I touched on this a little with my T today, and she agreed, and actually said if anything good comes of his death, is that maybe there will be more awareness of narcissism. She said that many famous people have suffered at the hands of Ns, but they don't get help, because they don't seek it. They internalize it, turn to drugs, whatever, and it ends badly.

I'm sort of going off on a tangent here, but it just  dawned on me this morning, that MJ seemed to be in denial too. Hey, his M stayed with her N spouse for 60 years, and she KNEW that the children were being abused. Kinda says something.

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Re: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2009, 10:25:53 PM »

((Kathy))

You are going so much c***.  You are thought of and I was so happy to read that your therapist has supported you and given you a slice of peace.

Continue taking care of you, slow and easy.    with a warm hug, seasons
"Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak Kindly. Leave the Rest to God."
Maya Angelou

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Re: Feel Guilty About Enjoying Life
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2009, 07:46:31 AM »
((((((Kathy)))))           Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung