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Meh

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What the heck...
« Reply #315 on: September 01, 2009, 06:52:56 PM »
There is another quote that jives with me..ok, hope I don't butcher it.

Martha Beck: "I don't know what the hell is going on, and I'm ok with that".

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Re: What the heck...
« Reply #316 on: September 01, 2009, 07:23:17 PM »
There is another quote that jives with me..ok, hope I don't butcher it.

Martha Beck: "I don't know what the hell is going on, and I'm ok with that".


I love this quote, Helen. It is the opposite of perfectionism and trying to control , two of my hardest  things  :?                                            Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: AMI .............Subject: Controlling
« Reply #317 on: September 02, 2009, 02:12:07 PM »
There is another quote that jives with me..ok, hope I don't butcher it.

Martha Beck: "I don't know what the hell is going on, and I'm ok with that".


I love this quote, Helen. It is the opposite of perfectionism and trying to control , two of my hardest  things  :?                                            Ami


Martha B. uses this quote as a Mantra.

I think that when people grow up in very controlling/manipulative environments that its only natural to turn out controlling oneself.
If we didn't keep a tight handle on ourselves then we would be punished, our environments were chaos and scary and dangerous.
I think control is an attempt to manage fear and pain etc.

At least you already know that they are a couple of challenging things for you.

Ami, you sound pretty "together" if you ask me. You didn't ask me, but maybe you are not as messed up as you seem to think you are.
No offense. I mean I know that the emotions, memories and habits are there and still very real. I totally respect that part..

I don't know..... One of my therapists told me that, I was not as bad as I thought I was, that I had a lot of self awareness and was not quite as disfunctional as I thought I was. I mean I've got problems yes, but maybe I don't own every single issue ever named under the sun. She told me that the main area I really needed to work on was my sense of self. Finding myself so to speak, developing my own identity, figuring out who I am. Because I didn't get to do that as a kid.

I don't know, maybe you are controlling? Or maybe it's just another way that you are manifesting the introjection judgement of badness.

I mean exactly how are you controlling? Are you a little controlling, or so controlling that you feel that it's interfering with your life?

You don't have to answer my questions Ami, I'm just thinking out loud. I guess I'm sort of writing my impression about you here, but I don't want to interfere with your own process. Tell me if I'm interfering ok? I will stop and take my questions away.
I can't pretend to be a therapist...



I think controlling is an interesting subject....I might write about this. Controlling is like a signal into our fears. I too have my controlling habits.
I tend to over-prepare for certain things.  

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #318 on: September 02, 2009, 02:16:29 PM »
I love you :lol:                         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: My Truth
« Reply #319 on: September 02, 2009, 02:40:04 PM »
I love you :lol:                         Ami


Why?

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #320 on: September 02, 2009, 02:49:31 PM »
Well,I was so touched by what you said about my  being "normal". My NM is a therapist  and she always made me feel abnormal. If I had a feeling such as fear. She would yell, "WHY are you so fearful?". She would do this  on  feelings and needs such as "WHY are you so dependent ,need so much love etc
So, I had to think I was abnormal b/c I could not question HER.
Your comments were  loving ! I appreciated that.
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PS I am glad you asked. My friend taught me that it is important to check things out.
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #321 on: September 02, 2009, 03:20:03 PM »
Dear Helen
 I will think about your question  and get back..My controlling is NOT the "in your face"type. It is more MY being perfect or I am afraid the sky will fall in. I will write more later .                            Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #322 on: September 02, 2009, 03:32:56 PM »
Well,I was so touched by what you said about my  being "normal". My NM is a therapist  and she always made me feel abnormal. If I had a feeling such as fear. She would yell, "WHY are you so fearful?". She would do this  on  feelings and needs such as "WHY are you so dependent ,need so much love etc
So, I had to think I was abnormal b/c I could not question HER.
Your comments were  loving ! I appreciated that.
                                                     Ami


PS I am glad you asked. My friend taught me that it is important to check things out.


All living organisms, All kids, all people are needy. We need, that is life, that IS normal, that is OK. We need food, shelter, love, acceptance, respect, dignity etc..


The more our needs are denied, the stronger they become, it's only natural for a kid to get more needy if she was denied, that sounds "NORMAL" to me.

Sounds like your mother was ensuring/ fueling your neediness by refusing your needs. In some bizarre way, the Nar-people want us to be needy, and then they punish us for it, IMO.

Yep, Ami, you may have to come to the scary conclusion that you are essentially NORMAL, with a few issues, just like every person has got some issues.

Oh, no... what if you are normal.. then what?

Well, the words normal, abnormal, good and bad..are valuation words, and judgements.

I mean what happens if you were to start looking at yourself without the valuation and judgement words and replaced with a different type of internal dialog. Would that help? Would it change anything?

Doesn't the word bad or good, put up some sort of road block, it's a meaningless arbitrary judgement. I guess the word "bad", would that be like a stimulus? That precedes punishment. It's a controlling word. Sort of like the dog and the bell psychology experiments, the dog hears the bell and automatically starts salivating because the dog associates the bell tone with food. Well hearing the word "BAD" has got an awful lot of power over you doesn't it?  

Maybe if you write out examples of how your mother said you were "BAD" and then next to it, identify what she was trying to control in you.
And really look at it. I bet you will find that your needs were "normal" or natural and typical. Sounds to me like all of it was her stuff put onto you..

Maybe you got to tell yourself that you won't be punished anymore like you were as a child??

Heck I don't know...

BAD,BAD,BAD,BAD,BAD....What on earth does this really mean? Isn't it a form of a lie? Get to the bottom of that lie and then kick it in the ass.

Only if you want to.. 8)

Allright, I really am going to stop myself here, I am analyzing you I think. I could be totally wrong...


« Last Edit: September 02, 2009, 03:36:54 PM by Helen »

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Being BAD
« Reply #323 on: September 02, 2009, 03:42:29 PM »
One last thought about being "BAD".

I have a friend who is a school teacher, she was telling me a story of how one of the young kids was behaving in a way SHE DID NOT WANT HIM TO. So she made him write out many times the phrase "I will not be bad".

What does that accomplish? It sends the kid the message that he is BAD. BAD, BAD, BAD...

It makes a whole lot more sense to me that the teacher talk to the kid specifically about the action that he took and ask him why he did it, find out if there was some motivating need behind it, and then help the kid to learn a better way to get his needs met or to manage the behavior.

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #324 on: September 02, 2009, 04:15:30 PM »
Dear Helen
 Thank you for your insights. i really value them!I am gonna think about what you said and get back later.                                                                          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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My "STUFF"
« Reply #325 on: September 02, 2009, 04:16:25 PM »
Self babble:

After posting on this board for a while, I'm noticing the emotional ups and downs I have been through. Quite a bit in a short span of time.

Sad, Fear, Grief, Angry, Silly, Absurd, feeling strong, feeling weak...

There is a social thought that occurs to me, moodiness being a problem. I'm wondering to myself if this is true for me.
I mean maybe my moodiness is a pain in the *ss to people around me. Or maybe the disapproval of moodiness is another attempt to control. My moodiness had never extremely impacted anyone in a detrimental way.. Maybe when someone says to me that I'm moody, they are trying to express something else. That they are more comfortable with me being one way all the time. Humm. Maybe it just means that I'm not communicating to them well enough and they don't know what I'm thinking.
Well the School Teacher friend is one of the people who told me I was "MOODY"

I'm leaning toward thinking that the disapproval of moodiness may be an attempt to control. Social regulation.

Ok. "NOBODY EMOTE TOO MUCH"!!!! .....eh where am I going with this.

I think I wish to get more comfortable with my own moodiness and expressiveness.
I could choose inner peace and lack of mood ups and downs. But do I really want that?
IS there any benefit to me for letting myself be moody. Is the mood like silly, a life current? A stream of chi?
I rather enjoy being silly. If I went for inner peace, would I not be allowed to be silly.
I see "inner peace"/sedate being opposed to feeling and emoting.
Uh.. I'm not sure where this post is going yet..
Moodiness is expressive, emotive.

Am I over analysing, probably yes, but there is something here. I made a very important life changing decision years ago.
And it is related to the above rambling. I think I'm called to look back at the decision again.



« Last Edit: September 02, 2009, 04:22:19 PM by Helen »

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #326 on: September 02, 2009, 04:19:39 PM »
Dear Helen
 Thank you for your insights. i really value them!I am gonna think about what you said and get back later.                                                                          Ami


I don't mind either way if you take my thoughts or leave them. Take what is meaningful and just leave the rest behind...

All right, AMI, talk to you later...

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #327 on: September 02, 2009, 04:33:30 PM »
Dear Helen
 Thank you for your insights. i really value them!I am gonna think about what you said and get back later.                                                                          Ami


I don't mind either way if you take my thoughts or leave them. Take what is meaningful and just leave the rest behind...

All right, AMI, talk to you later...


Does it hurt to get a compliment? That was more of a "think about question" than an actual one :P.                     Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: My Truth
« Reply #328 on: September 02, 2009, 04:52:15 PM »
Ya... I've been labelled "moody" too. And you know what, I AM.
I'm affected by the people I'm around - negativity - a lot. I start to get grumpy, too. Whiny, complaining. Aggressive, even. I've been learning that I can create a force field for that stuff to just bounce off... or slide by me. It's almost like I want to "belong" so much, I'm willing to join in the "ain't it awful" games... even though I didn't start out being negative.

I've been meaning to tell you about one of my therapy homework assignments. She asked to do stream of consciousness pictures of emotions. I picked watercolor, just for the challenge - it's not one of my practiced mediums. One sheet for negative emotions and one for positive. The negative emotion page was full of titled pictures; it was my normal pallette of deep blues, purple & crimson... a goodly dose of grey & black. Like logos, they were pretty fully developed symbols.

There weren't that many on the positive sheet; and when I critiqued it... I found that it hadn't even occurred to me... to try to find an image for "happy"... there wasn't any happy there. Stuff like serenity, balance, my concept of love... no happy. And they were lots more vague, tentative, very loose... soft & fuzzy... and more like kid's work than someone who's spent years mastering a representational style.

Conspicous in it's absence, I'd say.

I've been called "moody" mostly because I'm so easily moved into a negative emotion. I know them well and can throw a tantrum or tirade that has made mature men step back a half step. Haven't done that in a long while. I've worked for some time now, on the other emotions. People who are silly and playful aren't generally labelled "moody" - why is that? I really don't know... do you? Not that long ago, I wouldn't have been able to carry on the pirate conversation as long as we did. It wouldn't have felt natural or fun... more "forced" and "artificial".

And quiet people also get called moody, because they're not giving out emotional "cues" socially... others don't know how to read quiet. It's assumed that you're not feeling happy... simply because you aren't acting it all out... putting the emotion on a body language billboard for everyone to read. That's a bit hard to do, if you didn't learn it at 2 or 3... by imitating and "belonging" with other people being happy. But yeah, you can still learn how to do that...

we just did it, matey. I could see you smiling in your words. Bubbly & bouncy & careening around with play... just for the fun of it.

So, it's not the transience of the emotion...changeability from one emotion to the next... it's the lack of expression of any emotion that folks generally label "moody", if one stend to be quiet.

Repeat after me: there's nothing wrong with me... just the way I am. Anything I don't do well, I can learn to be better at.
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

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Another quote
« Reply #329 on: September 02, 2009, 06:28:03 PM »
"We take risks not to escape life, but to prevent life from escaping us". - unknown author