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Lupita

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 09:58:55 AM »
You might want to take a look at this book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcW_xhlCQE

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 02:18:53 PM »
I find that most Ns are masters of deception. Pious self seeking worms. They can be anyone and found everywhere. They visit the sick, preach from the pulpit, scout leaders or a CEO. Their exterior is that of warmth and compassion, but inwardly they are the very personification of evil.

This made me laugh, and I really needed that today.

I'm going to look into that movie, I love bette davis and classics.

It seems that what you are talking about in terms of scripture quotes etc, bible, is a form of spiritual abuse. Know one really likes to be preached to...that much.

Scripture should comfort us when we are disturbed and disturb us when we are too comfortable, or awaken us.

I read scripture to comfort me, to help me see, for guidance as well as it is just interesting to me...there is much there. I try to be very careful when giving scripture to others, especially the wounded. Alice Miller talks a lot about honoring our parents and the damage that can do to us abused. It is a balance that I have to learn, that my mom did do damage and it hurt me and I need to talk about it....forgiveness is hard and takes time.

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 05:24:39 PM »
She never wanted me to have a college degree, clearly out of envy because she didn't have one herself.

JustKathy,

My mom did the same to me and my sister, tried to sabotage our college. My sister had just moved away from home at 18 to attend college 500 mile away, her first time being on her own with my mom's promise to her to pay her rent and tuition. After her first month of school my mom called her up to tell her that she could no longer pay for anything or help her in anyway, she left my sister stranded, afraid and unable to complete her schooling that year. My sister did complete her schooling, it took her 8 years to get her 4 year degree, she worked her way as a waitress, taking time off as needed. I respect my sister for that.

Then, when I was 19 I began taking classes at the local college, my mom said that she would help me, then, suddenly, my mom informs the family that she has decided to stop working and start attending college full time; right when I am tyring to attend college. It was clearly a competitive thing between my mom and me. What made it worse was when after I dropped out due to a breakdown of FOO pain, my mom would beat me up for it and throw it over my head, making me feel bad as she constantly reminded me of her schooling and how much fun she was having being a full time student again.



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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 06:17:59 PM »
I find that most Ns are masters of deception. Pious self seeking worms. They can be anyone and found everywhere. They visit the sick, preach from the pulpit, scout leaders or a CEO. Their exterior is that of warmth and compassion, but inwardly they are the very personification of evil.

This made me laugh, and I really needed that today.

I'm going to look into that movie, I love bette davis and classics.

It seems that what you are talking about in terms of scripture quotes etc, bible, is a form of spiritual abuse. Know one really likes to be preached to...that much.

Scripture should comfort us when we are disturbed and disturb us when we are too comfortable, or awaken us.

I read scripture to comfort me, to help me see, for guidance as well as it is just interesting to me...there is much there. I try to be very careful when giving scripture to others, especially the wounded. Alice Miller talks a lot about honoring our parents and the damage that can do to us abused. It is a balance that I have to learn, that my mom did do damage and it hurt me and I need to talk about it....forgiveness is hard and takes time.
I find that most Ns are masters of deception. Pious self seeking worms. They can be anyone and found everywhere. They visit the sick, preach from the pulpit, scout leaders or a CEO. Their exterior is that of warmth and compassion, but inwardly they are the very personification of evil.

This made me laugh, and I really needed that today.

I'm going to look into that movie, I love bette davis and classics.

It seems that what you are talking about in terms of scripture quotes etc, bible, is a form of spiritual abuse. Know one really likes to be preached to...that much.

Scripture should comfort us when we are disturbed and disturb us when we are too comfortable, or awaken us.

I read scripture to comfort me, to help me see, for guidance as well as it is just interesting to me...there is much there. I try to be very careful when giving scripture to others, especially the wounded. Alice Miller talks a lot about honoring our parents and the damage that can do to us abused. It is a balance that I have to learn, that my mom did do damage and it hurt me and I need to talk about it....forgiveness is hard and takes time.

Dear Gabben,

Yes I agree, the scriptures are a wonderful source of comfort to many as they were meant to be. A source of hope and a beacon to those who are hurting. Unfortunately G-Ds word has been used and abused. As a child, we don't have the knowledge to interpret the Word as it was intended.

As a young person, I joined a very legalistc and controlling church (I wonder why? lol). I learned alot and felt very comforted there. I stayed for over 12 years.This group maintained that only those of us in this movement were "saved". I felt uncomfortable with the judgemental attitude towards anyone not belonging to this denomination.  Eventually I left, and felt under so much condemnation for leaving. After years of rules that only seemed to apply to women, it was a struggle to wear a pair of pants, use makeup, etc..

My comments were directed towards those Ns that use the word to manipulate and control others unjustly.
I have seen this in my own family. Ex NH has become a decon in his new wifes church. As a decon, part of his duties are, to visit the sick and shut ins. I find it very interesting that he doesn't visit his own children or show regular concern for them. 

Religion is the opiate of the people, it's a relaionship with the Creator that matters. Allowing ourselves to be comforted intimes of trouble, a friend that sticks closer than a brother. The giver of all wisdom and light.

These lyrics helped to carry me through many a storm:

If it had not been for the Lord
who was on my side!
Where would I be?
Somebody tell me!
Where would I be?

I truly believe that it was my creator that heard me and led me to this board.   I am grateful in my heart for all of you, that share such intimate details of your lives. You continue to help thousands and shall receive due reward.  I give thanks for my true Enlightened Witness!  Indiered

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 06:57:19 PM »
"I truly believe that it was my creator that heard me and led me to this board.   I am grateful in my heart for all of you, that share such intimate details of your lives. You continue to help thousands and shall receive due reward.  I give thanks for my true Enlightened Witness!" 


Indiered,

Welcome, it is good to have you here.

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2009, 11:07:10 AM »
Thank you Gabben,

 I feel a sense of overwhelming peace in my heart. I will be spending time with NFOO this weekend, and yet... there is a peace that surpasses all understanding within me. It is but for a short time, I can withstand anything because I know my redeemer lives within me.

I send love to all of you.  Indired

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2009, 11:40:02 PM »
Hi indiered, the best thing you can have is peace. Congratulations for that. This board has plainty of people eager to help.

God bless!!!

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 01:03:56 AM »
Thank you Lupita,

I wish the same for all on the board. Have a wonderful weekend!

Indired

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2009, 01:26:53 PM »

 I feel a sense of overwhelming peace in my heart. I will be spending time with NFOO this weekend, and yet... there is a peace that surpasses all understanding within me. It is but for a short time, I can withstand anything because I know my redeemer lives within me.



Hi Indie.  That's how I am trying to handle my NFOO.  A guru I once read said everything in life is either a blessing or a trial, and all has it's place.  For some people the FOO is a pleasurable blessing, necessarily short term,  and for others it a means to steer us back to something higher and longer lasting. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2009, 05:36:59 PM »
Thank you Silverlining,

I am still evolving and learning. The fog is clearing from my life. I have come to a place of accepting
the fact that I never had and never will have a healthy FOO.

The turning point for me... is time.. and the lack thereof. I am getting older Silver, and I realized that if I am to enjoy the rest of my life, I need to accept what cannot be changed.  I have spent decades (wasted) enmeshed in unhealthy expectations of Ns. Once I allowed myself to accept.. I mean Really accept the fact I was (am) not loved , and cared for by these Ns, I had to make many life changing decisions.

1: Accept that they are incapable of giving me what I need

2: I must take responsibility for my own life and happiness

3: I have the right to protect myself

4: Make healthier relationships

5: To give of myself to others

6: Deepen my spiritual walk

7: To laugh often and well

8: To nurture the child within

9: Learn something new each day

10: To be thankful for what I have

Many decades have passed, and I find myself truly weary of this tangled web.  It has affected my children in many, many ways.  They (my children), are all adults now and have through their own observations, cut off all contact with NG.  Of course I was to blame, but what else is new with Ns.

The key point is, after much agonizing, I want to live, not perfectly, but to live non the less. How extraordinarily painful to fully realize that, I have been systematically driven to madness by my own M.

I choose how much interaction I can tolerate, when and where. No longer am I surprised with well planned ambushes.  I do only what I feel comfortable doing. 

I literally see them as souless zombies, the living dead.  Incapable of genuine feelings, empathy, or care. The entourage are puppets on strings.  How can I react to inanimate objects? I hear sounds coming from them, nod appropriately.... It has become so tedious and boring. The same tactics over five decades.

They say that at the end, your life flashes before you. That was profound for me!  I imagined myself drowning, what would flash before me? My children, grands, a million and one hurtful experiences with NM???? No!! I resolve to fill up my life with loving, and kind experiences.  I have given way too much away. We have power and choices, and I like those odds!

A little story to share:

Several decades ago, I worked for a highend dept store as a sales clerk. Needless to say the pay was minimum in those days. Young, married with one child.

I fell in love with a silver tea service, and waited for it to go on sale, praying that no one would buy it first! After many months it was put on sale and with my employee discount, it was finally mine!
This tea service was my first adult accomplishment and I was so proud of myself. To me it was also a symbol of hope that our lives would improve.

Several years passed, and life did improve for us, but that tea service still held a place in my heart.
Well NM paid a visit and just carried on and on about it.... so...I decided to make a gift of it to her.
She knew the story and the significance of it (to me). To make a long story short, she promptly relegated the tea service to her back yard! When I next saw it, it was covered with dents and rust!!

The moral of this story:

I will let you come to your own conclusions!

 :lol:  Indiered  Live Well and Prosper (Quote from DR Spock Star Trek)




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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2009, 05:46:56 PM »
Thank you Lupita for starting this thread!

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2009, 01:36:05 AM »
Hello Indiered,

Nice to have you here. :)

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Thank you Silverlining,

I am still evolving and learning. The fog is clearing from my life. I have come to a place of accepting
the fact that I never had and never will have a healthy FOO.

The turning point for me... is time.. and the lack thereof. I am getting older Silver, and I realized that if I am to enjoy the rest of my life, I need to accept what cannot be changed.  I have spent decades (wasted) enmeshed in unhealthy expectations of Ns. Once I allowed myself to accept.. I mean Really accept the fact I was (am) not loved , and cared for by these Ns, I had to make many life changing decisions.

1: Accept that they are incapable of giving me what I need

2: I must take responsibility for my own life and happiness

3: I have the right to protect myself

4: Make healthier relationships

5: To give of myself to others

6: Deepen my spiritual walk

7: To laugh often and well

8: To nurture the child within

9: Learn something new each day

10: To be thankful for what I have

Many decades have passed, and I find myself truly weary of this tangled web.  It has affected my children in many, many ways.  They (my children), are all adults now and have through their own observations, cut off all contact with NG.  Of course I was to blame, but what else is new with Ns.

The key point is, after much agonizing, I want to live, not perfectly, but to live non the less. How extraordinarily painful to fully realize that, I have been systematically driven to madness by my own M.

I choose how much interaction I can tolerate, when and where. No longer am I surprised with well planned ambushes.  I do only what I feel comfortable doing. 

I literally see them as souless zombies, the living dead.  Incapable of genuine feelings, empathy, or care. The entourage are puppets on strings.  How can I react to inanimate objects? I hear sounds coming from them, nod appropriately.... It has become so tedious and boring. The same tactics over five decades.

They say that at the end, your life flashes before you. That was profound for me!  I imagined myself drowning, what would flash before me? My children, grands, a million and one hurtful experiences with NM???? No!! I resolve to fill up my life with loving, and kind experiences.  I have given way too much away. We have power and choices, and I like those odds!

A little story to share:

Several decades ago, I worked for a highend dept store as a sales clerk. Needless to say the pay was minimum in those days. Young, married with one child.

I fell in love with a silver tea service, and waited for it to go on sale, praying that no one would buy it first! After many months it was put on sale and with my employee discount, it was finally mine!
This tea service was my first adult accomplishment and I was so proud of myself. To me it was also a symbol of hope that our lives would improve.

Several years passed, and life did improve for us, but that tea service still held a place in my heart.
Well NM paid a visit and just carried on and on about it.... so...I decided to make a gift of it to her.
She knew the story and the significance of it (to me). To make a long story short, she promptly relegated the tea service to her back yard! When I next saw it, it was covered with dents and rust!!

The moral of this story:

I will let you come to your own conclusions!

   Indiered  Live Well and Prosper (Quote from DR Spock Star Trek)

Your post has touched me in a special place, my heart and conscience. Thank you again for your peaceful post.  seasons
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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2009, 03:06:00 AM »
Thank you Seasons for our warm welcome. Indiered

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2009, 08:12:03 AM »
idiered,

The best part of your story is that you are not ruminating, you are not stuck in the past, you are moving on and goging forwad towards a better future. That is the way to go. Bravo for you.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: How Ns minimize our accomplishments.
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2009, 12:46:24 PM »
Hi Indiered,

What Lupita said, plus...

Just occured to me reading your thread that in fact, maybe it's our inner N that sabotages us and minimizes our own accomplishments. She/They taught us that reflex.

And we can UN-learn it, by loving and befriending ourselves.

I think sometimes when I think "love myself" there's a strain to it...as in, feel this certain emotion toward myself by forcing it out past obstacles, boulders of sabotage. Whereas when I think "befriend myself" I imagine not someone who's enmeshed with me, but someone who cares and is present and curious.

My friends' well-being doesn't depend on me being at peace or constructive. They are okay as they are. So if I adopt the same role and befriend myself, then I have a compassionate, curious, gentle companion who is sincerely interested in how I'm doing, where my thoughts are going, and whether I'm demoralized or allowing myself to to the next square foot.

But who isn't adding to the pressure.

love,
Hops
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