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Sealynx

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Our Emergency response
« on: September 21, 2009, 11:11:23 AM »
I can't remember ever being involved in anything that one of my N parents didn't think it was okay to interrupt. The idea was constantly reinforced that nothing I did was more important then their immediate needs and I had better be "on call", scanning the environment for the next request.

I've had to work very hard not to be constantly "on call" to people in my environment. It can affect anything from feeling the need to immediately give my ketchup to the table next to me in restaurant, just because I heard them mention they needed some, all the way up to more major things like feeling I should chip in and buy a few staples for an unemployed neighbor when I'm out shopping.

While these things may sound nice and are the kinds of things we sometimes do for others...I have to constantly stop myself from letting these thoughts replace my own wishes and desires. It is far easier to anticipate others needs than my own. I have to remind myself that I am not really being "nice" I am failing to concern myself with my own life and not questioning what my current needs are. It is very easy to lose myself in others or in work.

I have been working under a huge load for several years now. At the same time I have been given some marvelous opportunities to lead the way in creating a virtual college for us. I've always loved working with 3D graphics and scripting and have spent many hours doing this for fun. Now that I can do whatever I want in my job, I am failing to schedule enough time for it. It is almost as if when my skills become important to others, they are no longer important to me.

Right now my chief concern should be getting my promotion package ready by filling out the forms and compiling the information on all that I have done. Strangely I can't get excited about doing it...but I know that if a colleague asked for my help with the same process I would not only jump to help them....but enjoy it....something I can't seem to do with my own package.

It is almost as if doing for myself is a drain. It should be the other way around. Any thoughts????

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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 11:38:05 AM »
It is true.  For years the needs of others trumped my own.

In the last couple of years I have bought myself some clothes.  A couple of really nice purses.  Make up.  Perfume.  I am pampering me.

Although I think it is awesome that you would pick up things for the needy, take into consideration YOUR needsw.

Our parents robbed us of feeling good about ourselves.  It was a real rob job.  I am overweight and really not that pretty........I don't deserve it, you know???

Well, that is going to change.  I am going to be healthy.  Screw the diets.  It is all about taking care of ourselves!
Kelly

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Sealynx

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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 11:51:20 AM »
Hi Overcomer,
I know that I eat when I feel empty and I always feel empty after spending too much time involved in someone else's life! Over the summer I did help that neighbor quite a bit. I had also taught her daughter and would drop of snacks for her and her brother who were living at home with unemployed mom. It was nice of me and I did it for the right reasons. However, as soon as the kids went off and mom was back on her feet, I felt empty. That feeling told me that I had again replaced self care with my old pattern of meeting the needs of others.

Like you I have become more aware of self neglect. My mother's parenting was so uneven that I could never form a positive self image. I have too many things that I need to do for myself to spend inordinate amounts on others!

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 12:57:41 PM »
Don't underestimate the power of old taboos - and even our own legitimate fear - about doing things for oneself. About feeling worthy and important enough to be "happy", productive, and able to put oneself first!

This, I think, is the underlying root cause of self-sabotage in all it's forms. It's gotten into our emotional/psychological DNA...

for a long, long time I thought it was real part of "me". It's NOT. It was conditioning that helped me survive in a threatening, non-nurturing environment. It's reprogrammable, but it will take time, self-awareness, decisions, "risk" and repetition... oh - and did I mention time? Like PTSD symptoms, this reflex is insidiously buried like a computer worm in the most benign of all circumstances and can pop up unexpectedly... even after dormancy...

but rather than a cause of despair, it can be seen as an opportunity to "do something different" than just repeat the old pattern.
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Sealynx

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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 02:58:53 PM »
Very true Phoenix,
I keep trying to replace these behaviors with something that has real meaning to me but one problem I run into is that my training required me to adopt an energy level that is the exact opposite of who I am. Helping someone else feels energizing and I get really buzzed and talkative. When I get home and the "event" is over, I feel like a fraud.

I know this response is based on fear and the need to enact some sort of control on a situation that in childhood could quickly go in directions that were frightening. I call the response my "trick pony". As long as I made myself out to be a cute child, my mother appeared to love me. When any response was normal...it was not okay. So normal isn't my first response. If I'm lucky its my second response, but often I don't even realize what I really feel until hours later when I get home. I then have to deal with others expectations being based on the person they thought they met last time. I've know what is going on but that lag response is maddening.

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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 07:01:01 AM »
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normal isn't my first response. If I'm lucky its my second response, but often I don't even realize what I really feel until hours later when I get home.


I hate the word normal. I think it belongs in statistics, or in fields where people say the mean, the baseline, the normal. Even lucky people from non-N families aren't born "normal" if normal means "absence of challenge". Things always happen. Life throws curves. I was thinking that realizing what one feels IS complex when you're taught to stuff your feelings. But I was also thinking that life, and the world, are mysterious and grave and full of innuendo and subtlety as well as lightness. One hour the cheetah is napping, so relaxed she looks like a kitten. Then next, she's running. So if you have to ponder, in order to suss out what your feelings are, that makes you perhaps someone who is engaging life, and its meanings, on a pretty deep level.

That's tiring. But it's also a rich and respectful way to deal with this world. I'd say, add more of what can be simple pleasures to your life, including structured things where interactions are simple too (how deep can one get while rollerskating or reading aloud or volunteering?). Then your level of complexity will settle and accomodate your more balanced life. Maybe rhythmic things in the company of others (heh, that sounded odd) would be helpful.

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I then have to deal with others expectations being based on the person they thought they met last time.

In a sense, aren't you taking care of people by worrying about this, in a way? What I mean is, so does everybody. Every single one of us deals with others based on who we project/think/assume they were last time we encountered them. And people go through changes, have belated realizations (some never have many at all). Some people adapt with ease to others' changes, others don't. It's okay that you are a person to whom others sometimes need to adapt. Because you adapt right back with your fine Nsurvivor radar.

Perhaps your worry is based on a false assumption: that we owe others consistency, rather than truthfulness:

Hello, last time we met I was XX. Today I'm kind of YY, so I won't be able to ZZ.

For me, it's a sticky thing to be assuming or mind-reading what others are expecting. Perhaps more people than you know are willing to be present with you too.

I often assume the wrong thing entirely. I notice that a lot of "you think this or that" comes out of my daughter. She's usually leaping off in a direction that has SOME logic, but rarely is it what I happen to be thinking.

Does any of that make sense?

Instead of "normal", Nsurvivors start out anxious, maybe. But in my life, extreme anxiety has mellowed with age. The draining, exhausting hypervigilance has eased. I don't have panic attacks any more. I'm not as afraid of being judged as I was before. (Likewise, I don't judge so much.)

I'm more able to notice another person and like TT said, assume we're together, there's nothing dire going on. They're more likely to be muddling along like I am, missing some stuff, catching some stuff.

Unless they're Ns...I'm happy with just about everybody. It's good to breathe.

I love Quaker meeting. I want to go back. Bet you'd like it too, Sea.

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Sealynx

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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 10:51:37 AM »
Hi Hopalong,
I didn't make myself clear about what I meant by "normal". What I meant is what is normal for me, my authentic self, the self that should be able to attract other people I enjoy being around. Since I am an artist my basic persona is creative and offbeat, but that is not the personality that comes out. My first response still has elements of the one I was raised to show. It is a persona that is bad for me, it entertains when it should confront and makes as if nothing anyone says can hurt it.

 While I don't base my actions on other peoples expectations, I do feel that when I act in ways that make me someone "I" wouldn't want to know or allow people to say unkind things that those actions distance me from those I could be most intimate with and I do look back sadly on them.
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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 05:55:28 PM »
I hear you:
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it entertains when it should confront and makes as if nothing anyone says can hurt it.

I was raised to have that "mask" on too. And as a poet, I can relate to being an outsider.

I just had a kind of despair that would never leave over my outsiderness.

Eventually I decided, artist/writer or not, I am ordinary. I belong.

(I am probably deluding myself, but it has helped anyway!)

I know what you mean about lost chances for closeness. And the sadness.

I hope you don't give up. For me, believing I didn't belong helped make it so, that's what I meant...

(and didn't convey very clearly)...

hugs to you,

Hops
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Sealynx

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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2009, 07:32:10 PM »
Hi Hopalong,
I think being a creative person is different. I used to see myself as an outsider, now I see myself more of an "interior" person. Living totally on the outside is not good for me.  Art, music and writing are my therapy and my first loves, I will always have an inner dialog that other people either don't have or don't need. I'll never know which.

I have a friend who is a musician and comes from a long line of music people. When she stopped playing with bands, she started having emotional problems and issues with bi-polar. She was really starting to go off the deep end until she got back into her music. The hours she now spends composing at night seem to do for her what medication never could. I hope she will begin performing again soon. She has a beautiful voice and plays guitar and keyboard.




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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 10:26:26 AM »
Sealynx,

I like that image of being an "interior" person; I can relate. Being a visual artist, I think for me, was one way of "coping" with my demanding, intrusive FOO. That inner dialogue allowed me to play god and create reality the way I wanted it. That in turn, made me more self-sufficient (or self-satisfied, it has two sides) than a lot of people, where social interaction was concerned. I still revel in solitude and feel safer & free-r here, than in groups of people. On one of my art discussion boards, that topic came up awhile back and most of the artists said they could take or leave "people" situations and still be "happy" and content.

I've since learned that I need more socializing; I need people and that interaction between people, more than I thought. For one thing, it fuels the creative juices... for another, I have a need that I'm only beginning to learn about... to be connected to people, to care about them, to come out from behind the easel and participate in life - not just observe and comment on it.

Of course, then one has to deal with issues like you described - doing for yourself, too - not just for others. One way I think about this, is that I'm allowed to have a turn. It doesn't always have to be someone else's turn. And even though I feel like a rusted shut tinman, as I struggle my way through having my turn... it's usually a good feeling later on. I guess it'll get easier with practice.
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Re: Our Emergency response
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 12:00:54 PM »
I can relate to being a more "inner" person. I think solitude and solitary activities are a (maybe the) way to escape always having to discern and serve other people's feelings/needs/demands. But you're right, PR, since we also need people we have to figure out ways to be social and to be healthy all at the same time.