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For Erin
« on: October 22, 2009, 04:49:01 PM »
Dear Erin
 Could you explain how you came out of dissociation. I know it could not have been a simple process. Was it really painful? I am in a lot of emotional pain mixed with numbness and half numbness.
 Sometime, half numbness feels worse that all numbness..I feel like a novacaine is wearing off my psyche.
 It hurts so badly ,often. I get really tired, too. Did you have this? Did it get better? Do you still have it? Thanks so much for any input, Erin.                                 xxoo  Ami
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 03:37:42 AM by Ami »
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Re: For Erin
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 03:47:10 AM »
The numbness seems proportional to how  REAL I can see my M. I went in to denial about her at 14 .I even started to role model myself after her.  My F told me she was fine and so I made a decision to reject my own eyes, ears and perceptions. I made that decision in a split second cuz I simply could not see that my F was colluding with this person who was  horrible to me in front of his  eyes.I was like a torture victim and my rescuer was  handing me over to the abuser. It was too much for my psyche to take. I have been numb ever since.
I have lived my life numb.
I did not trust my senses to give me information about life.When I felt something, my M's voice told me I was neurotic and I believed it. I listened to my M's voice in my head instead of believing my own senses. I still do.
Now, I think I am coming out of it. The pain can be so bad at times that I could collapse. I call on Jesus and  tell Him that I can't take it. I repeat it over and over.
That gives me peace and gets me through. I get really tired ,too.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 04:00:36 AM by Ami »
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Re: For Erin
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 03:53:44 AM »
When I write this, I realize how much I have been fighting to be sane against really hard odds.`I don't think I have to hate myself any more.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 04:00:53 AM by Ami »
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Re: For Erin
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 05:50:29 AM »
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Ami)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

There were a lot of stages for me (us).  Each one hurt like hell. At first, we all started figuring out who we were and why we were alters in a multiple personality system.  We recovered a lot of buried memories, and we started showing each other our scars.

Think of several sisters, cousins, nieces, etc. that had all grown up in the same house but never knew of each others existence.  Shortly after these women and girls all discover each other, still living in the same house, they start recovering memories of horrific abuse.  They talk and cry and hang together, and they start to put together the pieces of the puzzle that is their lives up to this point. Each time one recovers a memory, it hurts that one.  Then when she shares her memory with the others, it hurts them, too.

We spent about 9 months going through that stage.  It was painful but also exciting to find out who we were and what we were capable of.  We discovered that we had a lot of strengths and talents during that time.   It was a necessary step in the healing.  After that we spent about 18 months just being us.  Then we were in a motorcycle accident in which we broke our arm,  and one of the youngest personalities merged.

Now this next part is hard to explain, but I'll do my best. I think it is the closest point where my experience matches yours.

Of the twelve of us, the alter named Erin was the last to be created.  All the other 11 alters merged into this one.  I legally changed my name from Julie to Erin during the process.  As all the others merged into me, their memories, emotions, fears, and talents became mine.  When I look back on my life now, the memories feel like mine, even though  most of them happened long before I, Erin, existed as a separate personality. Before integration, I experienced the memories as if they had happened to someone else, and I had been told about them, but integrating each personality meant her past became mine.

It seems to me as if you are at a similar point right now, where things in your past that you were once able to keep at a distance, are now starting to seem more real.  In other words, where I integrated whole personalities, it seems like you are starting to integrate past memories. 

I think your analogy about the Novocaine wearing off your psyche is very apt.  It is exactly like that, I believe.  Time and distance have given you a little start on you healing.  Now you will let the dissociation (numbness) wear off and then you ocan really get down to healing.
 
When it happened for me, there were varying degrees of pain, depending on the alter, the memory, how much prior knowledge I already had of the incident in question, etc.  Sometimes it was just a matter of claiming a memory as my own.  Sometimes I got treated to a little horror movie about some aspect of abuse that I had not previously known about. The hardest things to handle was the emotions of the other alters.  I was saturated by turn with fear, sorrow, rage, frustration, humiliation, guilt, and shame.

For an example, there was one alter who was my same age, which is to say, we both experienced ourselves as being the same chronological age as our body.  (When our drivers license said we were 25, I felt 25 and she also felt 25, I hope that clears it up.)  Her name was Storm, and she was the protector of all of us.  She was the last to merge. The moment it happened, I was hit with this huge tidal wave of guilt. Just out of the blue, I felt completely helpless and inadequate and started thinking, "How on earth could I have let that happen to the child alters?"  Where before I had never felt personally responsible for what had happened to any of the kids, suddenly this guilt just overwhelmed me.  Then I knew it was really Storm's emotions, guilt and frustration and impotence and inadequacy that she and never admitted before to anyone, and now it was mine to bear because the wall between us was gone.

That was about 10 years ago.  Today I experience the world as a single, integrated person.  I still have moments where I look at events as if they are happening to someone else (I hear this is normal).  I still have times when I experience an event in a numbed state, and the emotion comes after (Also normal, apparently).  I still have different faces of myself for work, husband, kiddo, etc.  (Everybody does this.) My work self does not resemble my real self at all.  I know a lot of people do this, especailly sales people, who have a gregarious "work persona"  when really they are shy or reserved. Lots of women on my industry forums do this. Totally normal.

We all have disconnects from reality form time to time.  We need to do it in order to keep from losing our minds.  Dissociation is a severe form of a very normal phenomenon, and it helped us to survive. 

I have heard of other non-multiples going through similar, though not so dramatic changes.  It sounds to me like this is what is happening to you. Of course you get tired.  This is emotionally exhausting.  I had physical pain in my body (still do--bizarre stabbing pains that have no medical reason), fatigue, insomnia, and I even got mono toward the beginning of the process (although I was also overworking myself at the time, which I'm sure had something to do with it.)


Ami, I know this is going to be a hard time for you.  It will pretty much suck, except for those moments when you can look back at what you survived and say, "Damn, I'm tough!" Unfortunately, you have to do this, so you can heal.  In Incest Survivors Anonymous, we used to say, "The only way out is through."  As far as I can tell, that is the absolute truth.

Hang in there, Ami.  It will be OK in the end.  I promise. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Ami))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: For Erin
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 09:33:56 AM »
Dear Erin
 What a blessing to find you. I think you are right about the stage I am in. I feel hopeful, today. Did you make your recovery with a therapist?
 I have my small circle of loved people"my friend, Ray and Bean. I am soured to therapy cuz my NM is a therapist.
 Thank you from the bottom of my heart, ((((Erin))). I will always be grateful to you that you have come in to my life at this point. If you can do it, I can, too!             xxoo  Ami
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Re: For Erin
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 10:02:56 AM »
Ami,

I had a good therapist at the beginning.  Her name was Pat, and she worked for the county mental health office.  I stated going to her because I needed divorce counseling.  Before too long, everything hit the fan.  She admitted to me that she did not know the first thing about multiple personality, but we learned together.  She intuitively did what we all needed from her: she treated each of us as an individual and treated our whole system as a family.  That way, each alter felt valued and heard. That was what we needed mroe than anything.

Also, I went to a lot of 12-step programs then. There was Overeaters Anonymous, AA, Al-anon, and Incest Survivors Anonymous.  There I met lots of kind, supportive people who helped me a great deal.

Somebody from ISA gave me this book http://www.lauradavis.net/Books/the-courage-to-heal.html The courage to Heal. It was a huge help to me.  Even if you were not the victim of sexual abuse, it is a terrific resource. It address a lot of the aspects of healing form any kind of childhood abuse. 

Mostly, what helped was having a few good friends with whom I could really talk.  My friends have never been so important as the were at that stage in my life.  Being heard and having people with whom I was safe made all the difference.

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Re: For Erin
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 12:52:15 PM »
Ami,

I had a good therapist at the beginning.  Her name was Pat, and she worked for the county mental health office.  I stated going to her because I needed divorce counseling.  Before too long, everything hit the fan.  She admitted to me that she did not know the first thing about multiple personality, but we learned together.  She intuitively did what we all needed from her: she treated each of us as an individual and treated our whole system as a family.  That way, each alter felt valued and heard. That was what we needed mroe than anything.

Also, I went to a lot of 12-step programs then. There was Overeaters Anonymous, AA, Al-anon, and Incest Survivors Anonymous.  There I met lots of kind, supportive people who helped me a great deal.

Somebody from ISA gave me this book http://www.lauradavis.net/Books/the-courage-to-heal.html The courage to Heal. It was a huge help to me.  Even if you were not the victim of sexual abuse, it is a terrific resource. It address a lot of the aspects of healing form any kind of childhood abuse.  

Mostly, what helped was having a few good friends with whom I could really talk.  My friends have never been so important as the were at that stage in my life.  Being heard and having people with whom I was safe made all the difference.


I am so glad you said that Erin cuz that is how I see my healing, with friends who love me.They are gifts as are you and the Board!              xxoo Ami
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 01:07:49 PM by Ami »
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Re: For Erin
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 04:46:49 PM »
Dear Erin
 I have that book. I have been thinking about what you said about the past becoming more real and that is it, exactly. Mainly, it is my M's face that gets more and more real.
 When I was young, I had various problems like panic attacks and phobias but I was not numb. I went numb at 14. Prior to 14, I saw my M the way she was to some degree. I saw her as an idiot, a  boob.
 She is like Bone's N -Doofus, if you read that thread. If not, she is the stupid, N type who brags constantly and puts their foot in their mouth. She is not the sophisticated N Saint type who is much harder to see.
 I adored my F and thought he was on my side and that he saw my M as she was, too. When he told me I was imagining the whole thing, I went numb.
 After that I started trying to be like my M;making her my role model, God Forbid.
 I have been numb from 14 on and have not been able to see my M as she was
 As I heal, I see her  face get clearer and clearer. That is the main way I am coming out of denial.
 Can you relate to this at all?      Ami


PS Each little notch clearer my M's face gets to her true boob, idiot face comes with tremendous pain, grief and hopelessness but then I feel more real.
 My M molested me when I was really young. I only remember one time but there was ambient sexual abuse and always always her trying to shock me and scare me with sexual things which were to sophisticated for me to grasp. She would laugh at my shock and discomfort.
 There may have been more instances than this one molestation. If so, they are buried but she may have been too afraid to do anything once I could talk well enough to tell someone cuz I probably would have.
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Re: For Erin
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 03:00:02 PM »
Hey, Ami.  I was thinking about you today. . . were your ears ringing??  I hope you are doing OK.  I have not been on line since the weekend, so I just wanted you to know you were on my mind.

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Re: For Erin
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 08:11:29 PM »
Hey, Ami.  I was thinking about you today. . . were your ears ringing??  I hope you are doing OK.  I have not been on line since the weekend, so I just wanted you to know you were on my mind.


Thank you Erin. I am doing better. Your story helped me a great deal to accept where I am, my limitations.When you have abuse, you are slower in the emotional ball game than people who didn't. It is just how it is. I am trying to accept my own path with more grace.
 Thanks for all you share, (((Erin))))   xxxoo  Ami
« Last Edit: October 28, 2009, 11:37:35 PM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung