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Nonameanymore

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Jumping to conclusions
« on: October 27, 2009, 02:47:42 PM »
Do you find that because of your not so pleasant experiences, you jump to conclusions about people and situations?

I have had a rougher than usual time the last two years and now that people have started to open up again I am not that easy to accept that someone can be genuinely nice.

Does anyone find that they get overly suspicious and expect people to treat them badly?
This is really a new for me because I am a recovering codependent which meant (for me) that I trusted everybody and realise that I have stayed too long at the opposite end.
I may have destroyed a couple of relationships because of very strong boundaries as well.

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 03:03:39 PM »
Hi P,

I feel like I'm reading posts that could have been written by me tonight!  I go through phases  - I have a bad experience and take a long time to get over and get back in to the game - with men or friendships for example. Then I tell myself I'm too suspicious, I must trust people, not trusting anyone only makes me lonely etc.  So I take a risk - and the same thing happens again.

I've got two guys wanting to date me at the moment - I should be happy and be getting ready for some fun and nice nights out - but instead I just find mysef wondering how long it will be before one of them lies, cheats on me, dumps me or does something equally hurtful and I will be trying to nurse my ridiculously run down ego back to some form of functioning health.

I also have strong boundaries - someone can do one thing - like not phone the day they say they will - and I take it as a massive slight and feel I'm not really 'friends' with that person any more.  It's ridiculous - none of my friends are like that.  I also used to be in co-dependent relationships, now I just don't seem to have them at all.

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 03:05:24 PM »
I love you guys, P and Twoapenny
 It feels like I am having a sleep over with two friends just discussing life and our craziness!    :lol:         xxxoo  Ami                   
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

Nonameanymore

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 03:09:48 PM »
Ami luv you too! (a la Jerry Maguire style, with arm gesture and everything! - just kidding)

TaP, may I also say that your post could have been written by me as well!

Sometimes, guarding oneself does help, but how is one to know when???!!!!

Ironically whenever I do take a risk, it pays off (eventually).
We say in Greece that whoever burned themselves drinking hot milk, they end up blowing the steam of a yoghurt as well (hope this makes sense in English!)

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TaP enjoy the guy attention! You deserve it!

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 03:08:53 PM »
I do jump to conclusions, but really try to control it, as this is one of my NMs habits.

I try to think of as many possibilities as I can in as logical way as possible. This usually helps.

My mother actually prides herself on being illogical.

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 04:58:48 PM »
I have dealt with an inner pressure to make decisions quickly that I know stems from my N mom's need for everything to happen at warp speed. Those resulted in attracting some people who treated me badly. I think it happened mostly because I was too ready to meet their IMMEDIATE needs. I am suspicious, not only of someones motives and intentions, but what they don't know about themselves or have never given a thought to.

Emotions take time, especially the new ones many of us are slowing down to really feel for the first time. When I think back over the time I spent waiting and hope for an N trait person to call or the months second guessing emotionally unavailable people, I have to think that anyone worthy of knowing me intimately can at least accept my need to slow down so I can get to know them. I think good people are flattered when you show a prolonged interest in knowing who they are.

The longer they hang around, the more they know me and hopefully the more good things they see that are worth staying for. Even if I am not ready to throw the bedroom door open to them, they should be at least dreaming of how good things could be when I am emotionally read for a stronger commitment. It wouldn't hurt for them to dream up a few ways to make me feel loved and secure either. I'm ready to be the one worth waiting for.

If has been my experience that most people who want things done immediately just want sex, a rebound relationship, or they want something from me that isn't really about me at all. If someone is really hooked on you, getting rid of them is usually the problem. If they aren't, the sun sets every every 24 hours , allowing anyone who doesn't want to know the real me to make a dramatic exit!
« Last Edit: October 28, 2009, 05:03:26 PM by Sealynx »

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 09:43:49 PM »
Thanks for a new mantra  :lol: if I start dating again, Sealynx:

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...the sun sets every every 24 hours, allowing anyone who doesn't want to know the real me to make a dramatic exit!

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 08:29:22 AM »
I have dealt with an inner pressure to make decisions quickly that I know stems from my N mom's need for everything to happen at warp speed. Those resulted in attracting some people who treated me badly. I think it happened mostly because I was too ready to meet their IMMEDIATE needs. I am suspicious, not only of someones motives and intentions, but what they don't know about themselves or have never given a thought to.

Emotions take time, especially the new ones many of us are slowing down to really feel for the first time. When I think back over the time I spent waiting and hope for an N trait person to call or the months second guessing emotionally unavailable people, I have to think that anyone worthy of knowing me intimately can at least accept my need to slow down so I can get to know them. I think good people are flattered when you show a prolonged interest in knowing who they are.

The longer they hang around, the more they know me and hopefully the more good things they see that are worth staying for. Even if I am not ready to throw the bedroom door open to them, they should be at least dreaming of how good things could be when I am emotionally read for a stronger commitment. It wouldn't hurt for them to dream up a few ways to make me feel loved and secure either. I'm ready to be the one worth waiting for.

If has been my experience that most people who want things done immediately just want sex, a rebound relationship, or they want something from me that isn't really about me at all. If someone is really hooked on you, getting rid of them is usually the problem. If they aren't, the sun sets every every 24 hours , allowing anyone who doesn't want to know the real me to make a dramatic exit!

Wow, Sealynx.  You have just shined a light on exactly what my problem with relationships is.  The men I go out with are very bad for me.  At the start they are lovely - sweet, affectionate, complimentary, can't wait to see me, miss me when they're not with me, they phone a lot, they want to see me all the time, they tell me how they've told all their friends they've met the most amazing woman etc etc etc.  At some point - it can be weeks or months down the line - they simply disappear.  If I'm lucky I'll get a 'I just want to be friends' text, but most of the time I just don't hear from them again and if I ring them they won't answer the phone.

I stopped dating for a long time and have got involved with three different men in the last two years and what you have described is exactly what I've experienced - they all want to rush it along at break neck speed, I put aside what I want (partly because I have no idea what it is) and I end up with no confidence, no self esteem and wondering what I did wrong this time.  Your post feels like someone's shined a huge light onto what's going on and I can see it for what it is now.

I mentioned before that there are two guys chasing me for dates at the minute.  One is very persistent, phoning often, chatting on-line in the evening, wanting to know when will we meet, when will we meet, when will we meet?  He is a guy I've been out with before and he disappeared from my life for no apparent reason.  I bumped into him again recently and this has started up now - now he's decided he wants to be back in my life I'm supposed to welcome him back with open arms.  You know what?  I did - I've taken his calls, I've talked to him on-line, I've let him just bluster past me doing exactly what he wants and I haven't given any thought to how much he hurt me before and the fact that he's never apologised or tried to explain why he did that.  You know what else?  After I read your post I emailed him and told him not to call me again.

Thank you so much Sealynx for what you wrote.  You have openend my eyes to where I go wrong in relationships - it's all about them, not me.  I can see it so clearly now and suddenly everything seems so much easier.  Could we get a miniature version of you that I could carry in my handbag at all times?  :)

Hugs to you (((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))  I may go on a date with the other guy.  I've felt he's not too keen because he doesn't pester me endlessly, but perhaps that is more normal?  Maybe it's time to meet for a coffee and find out.

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 09:33:48 AM »
LOL Thanks Hops and Twoapenny,
Two I'll have to lose a bit of weight before I have that purse sized me cast to carry around. Everyone would think you are worshiping the Venus of Willendrof! That guy sounds like the "Devil you Know". Some men have a very short attention span that is directly related to an erection. He sounds like he comes on like viagra and then peters out!

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 07:54:27 AM »
S, I think you've summed him up to a t!  I really want to get to know someone properly and understand them, and for that to be reciprocated.  These guys are a bit like roller coaster rides - all bells and flashing lights but it's over pretty quick and you're just left feeling sick and dizzy.   I'm determined to squeeze you into my handbag somehow, though!  Hugs to you (((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 03:01:36 PM »
Yes but guys, what do you do when a guy is genuinely nice but although your self-worth is/feels (sometimes and sort of ) solid (in other areas) and because of your upbringing you were told that nobody would want to be with you and they will cheat on you etc (long live NM) then with the first nothing, all your insecurities come to the fore and you keep destroying relationship, after relationship, after relationship?

I am going through this scenario right now, I am really scared because I have worked so much, SO MUCH on myself and yet, I act like a little girl, I pout and complain and do not have the patience like a normal human being to see things through the normal way and let things unfold at a normal pace?

Just a thought, I am really angry at myself right now.

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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 03:04:10 PM »
P--

1) Great compassion for yourself.
2) And a really really healthy slowness in the relationship pace (a la A Fine Romance, by Dr. Judith Sills).

No other pace will do for you.

(Repeat #1.)

love to you, and faith,

Hops
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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 04:45:52 PM »
Thanks Hops. It's irrelevant to the post but I have so much to be grateful right now and it took coming out of hell to get here and I get these opportunities and I don't know how to deal with them. Maybe I am tired because I am working 12 hours (just for a few days for a congress we have at work) and do my freelance stuff on top, and moving houses back finally since I am living out of a suitcase for almost 6 months and I met this great guy and it's romantic, and fun and then the scared little girl appears and I don't know what she wants, she is like a detached part of me that maybe I need to nurture but in a more 'mature' way, yes, compassion for myself, but I just returned home after 12 hours of work with 4 hours sleep last night, and I can't stop crying. And I can't blame NM for ever for what she did to me, but I can't help thinking that I am doing the best I can with the set of faulty tools I was given. I am doing really hard work, I am being hard on me, hard on others and the real reason is because I don't think I deserve these wonderful things that are happening for almost the first time.

Only you guys on this board can understand. I think this is the time to apply 'I ask God to restore me to sanity because I am powerless over what happened to me in the past' but I am fully responsible for what mess I create in my life from now on.

Thanks for letting me ramble


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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 05:16:57 PM »
Persephone,
To me one of the major issues invovled in healing is reclaiming the power of discrimination. It could be that you tossed aside some good people, but it could also be that your intuition was right on target and they never admitted you were right.  Sharing your lack of trust and need for reassurance is the only way I can think of to work toward a trusting relationship. When someone tells me they aren't trusting because of previous hurts, I take that to mean that a relationship with them will take time and that I may need to explain myself more often than I might like. What I do nextt boils down to how important the person is to me.

Sometimes I might back away but not usually all the way back. I will give an untrusting person space. I will decide it may take them a year or more to feel comfortable around me. I can sense their need to cut themselves off and let them come and go. If I can do that, other people must have this talent as well.

Our N mother's made us feel all powerful and fully in charge of every encounter. Everything we did had monumental consequences to which our N's responded in the extreme.  We aren't and they don't. The other person doesn't have to run just because we fired a proverbial "shot". They have intuition and compassion as well. If they don't....there is always that sunset just waiting for them!!
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Re: Jumping to conclusions
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 01:38:16 AM »
Sealynx, you are this wise owl and I stand before you in awe...

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