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Nonameanymore

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I sound like an N to me
« on: December 03, 2009, 03:35:41 PM »
This is going to be a random rant. It's one of these days that I am looking for reasons to feel sorry for myself. I am going through a lot at the moment and am really, really, really tired, on top of which I got the flu yesterday (or a simple cold, haven't been to the doctor's yet). I think I am really run down.
After a major fight with a new relationship that triggered a lot of issues for me a couple of weeks ago, I spoke to Ami (thank you!) and a friend whose logic although a bit too square, made absolute sense.
I am NC since 95. NM attempts contact but the truth is I have distanced myself from her 14 years ago. So my friend told me 'until when will you find the excuse of your NM not to progress in your life?'. He was damn right.
I have realised that I have placed my upbringing as a barrier to my happiness many times, as if it wasn't enough what I've been through, but I had to perpetuate situations when I clearly divorced NM an age ago. I remind me of couple's who get divorced but who are stuck on their exes, the irony being that I dumped NM. The joke's on me.
I was reading somewhere that there are 'love eras' as we grow: first love for the parent, then love for a mate, then love for a child. The latter more or less my age.
I have been a commitment phobic for ever: I either fall for people who are unavailable or get ‘bored’ with someone nice. My only attempt to believe I can have a family resulted in a personal tragedy (ironically speaking) about a year and a half ago.
Am I going against nature not to want to commit myself? Have I tried to prove to myself that I don’t need anyone to take care of me (because I wasn’t taken care of when I most needed it).
NM was/is really twisted. But my life is mine now. When will I get this? When will I understand that she doesn’t have to still dictate my every move in her absence?

My new relationship is in the process of divorcing and has a little daughter of 2.5. His daughter is of course a priority and I am fully ok with that, but I discovered that I am secretly jealous of the fact that he has someone to love so much. It happens that she is ill too today, and of course he is with her. So I have been thinking today: how did I end up at 39 not only not to have someone to take care of me, but to have no one to take care? To love?

I am sorry if this doesn’t make sense. I am trying to write as I think and feel.
The toughest realisation with the recent fight is that I discovered that I act exactly as NM did in relationships – something that I condone, I hadn’t realised that I am doing it.

Guys, honestly, I am doing a lot of the things she did, the things that make her an N. It’s not that I am scared to find out that I am an N too, but I am pissed off at myself for doing these things.

This relationship has been a real eye-opener for me. Maybe there is hope. Maybe I can trust someone again even if I get hurt.

I just don’t want to live like a lone wolf anymore. I want to care.

P.

HeartofPilgrimage

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Re: I sound like an N to me
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 03:40:06 PM »
Persephone, I think THE defining trait of a narcissist is their inability to reflect upon their own actions. You obviously DO have the ability to reflect. So, you don't like the way you behave sometimes. Being able to reflect upon your behavior is what gives you the chance to change. It is not surprising that all of us behave like our mothers or fathers. I think you are on the brink of some big changes, changes you will be very happy with.

Nonameanymore

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Re: I sound like an N to me
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 03:45:50 PM »
Thanks so much for reading and replying HoP.

I am really grateful to this guy for showing me my nasty traits. Honestly.
I am really grateful to Ami for taking the time to send some emails and offer valuable insight.
I am really grateful to my other friend who reflected back to me for the very first time the poor me attitude I perpetuate.

I am really grateful to everyone on this board for allowing me to come here and write exactly what I feel and be understood.

P.

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Re: I sound like an N to me
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 09:39:28 PM »
Forgive yourself, P...

you need such oceans of compassion, loving arms mentally around your own inner self.

You deserve nothing less.

And that will make room for all possibilities.

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 11:20:50 PM »
It sounds like you have had a major "Ah-ha" moment. Sometimes those are hard won but the things you've won by facing them are yours forever.  People come into our lives for many reasons. No matter what happens to this relationships he has given you the keys to know your own heart. Who could ask for more???
Good Luck!
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Nonameanymore

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Re: I sound like an N to me
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 12:59:00 AM »
Thanks Hops and Sealynx.

Sealynx, I think I have called you a wise owl before  :D but let me tell you that you had written somewhere about taking slow in a relationship etc and this share I had it copied and pasted it and have saved it on a doc because it was a piece of great wisdom to me.

What you wrote is also beautiful, exactly who could ask for more than someone giving them the keys to their own heart???

Good luck to you too guys

Thank you
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2009, 04:09:57 AM »
Hi P,

I personally feel that a difficult/abusive/emotionally void relationship with your mum leads to a whole host of problems with commitment, attachment, security and so on, throughout life.

I find it very difficult to trust people.  I have been accepting (slowly!) that being raised in a home where I couldn't trust anyone has left me with a belief about the world that no-one can be trusted.  I don't consciously think this, but have realised over the years that my deep seated belief is that people will hurt me.  Anyone I open up to will ridicule me, use what I tell them against me, spread rumours and lies about difficulties I experience and judge me badly.  If someone else hurts me, they will stand aside and let that happen.  Deeper than that, I have a belief that I don't deserve to be loved or valued, wanted or cherished, that I'm dirty, ugly, selfish, pathetic, a liar, mentally deranged - the list goes on.  These are all things that I was taught, silently, implicitly, probably from the day I was born.  It takes a very, very long time to (1) realise there are aspects of your life that you aren't happy with or that you dislike (2) understand and figure out why those things happen and (3) to start re-programming years of negative messages that you received at the time in your life you were most vulnerable and had no other experience to (or perspective) that would show you what was going on was inappropriate and unhealthy.

You've realised that there are aspects about relationships that you struggle with.  This is good news!  Once you realise there's a problem you can start figuring out the solution.  You cut your mum out a long time ago and that is such a huge and difficult step, and for a lot of people a really key part to healing.

I feel enormous pangs of envy when I look at my adult friends who have loving, healthy friends, and when I see young children in shops with mums who coo over them and praise them.  I think this is good; it shows that you are seeing a relationship that you recognise as being healthy and you want it.  We're only envious of things we want for ourselves and wanting healthy, loving relationships is a really, really good sign.  You've also bagged yourself a man who is a good father.  This is also really important, P, it's so easy to get into situations with people like our parents.  But this guy makes his daughter his priority and is there for her when she's sick.  That is what a good, kind, loving, healthy parent does - and you've picked one.  Your antennae is up and you're picking out healthy partners.  More importantly, you have picked a guy who could potentially be a good parent to your children if you did have them in the future.

Please try not to give yourself a hard time over this.  When I read your post I saw only positives.  You seem to me to have the nuts and bolts in place, it's just tweaking and fine tuning that's going on now.  It is hard, and it's even harder when you're feeling ill!  Let yourself feel what you're feeling, let it work it's way out of your system, give yourself lots of love and attention at the moment and congratulate yourself on how much work you've done and how far you've come.  What you're desciribing at the minute sounds to me completely normal and healthy.  As hops says, recognising your feelings and knowing you want to do something about them is something that an N can't do.

I have times when I do and say things that are just like my mum.  I look like her as well and there are times when I cringe!  But recognising those things, noting them and doing something about them is the difference between you and your mum.  Now wrap up warm, get yourself some vitamins and a feel-good movie and get to bed!!

Hugs to you, P, you're doing great ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: I sound like an N to me
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 04:22:49 AM »
Hi Tap,

Thanks so much for sharing and for your insight.
You're absolutely right in every point and the truth is that I do feel a bit more calm now that I have realised all these things that I was doing. Maybe what happened is that I experienced them emotionally for the first time and this is why I felt them so intensely.

Strangely enough from your other shares, I feel we have quite a lot in common. Every time you write, something reminds me of something I experienced or feel.
I do too look like NM, I mean a lot, and it's quite creepy. I haven't seen her in 14 years but I do see her often in the mirror...cringy as you said!

It is true that I can now appreciate finding a man with principles - strangely enough I would have felt threatened a few years ago...
I was so used to codependent relationships but somehow I am ok with boundaries now - at least I think I am better at them!

P.

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 04:36:17 PM »
Pers:  This may sound strange but I think you are in a beautiful situation.  These kinds of experiences make your life richer and worth living every moment.  Because we were taught not to "feel" our own feelings and to only feel NM's feelings, we couldn't fathom that there was a world of emotions waiting for us to dive into and wrap our minds around them.  I think you are beginning to "feel" and experience the beautiful complication of love for others and love of yourself.  This is still new for me as well.  You may feel challenged by these emotions (which are totally normal by the way)  but it's really your heart finally breathing, and breathing on its own for a change, instead of under the control of your NM.  NM's told us how to think and breath which in turn kept our hearts frozen from the real world and "real" feelings.  Don't be afraid of these feelings as they will guide you.

I think your lovely.  Your emotions are beautiful and I'm excited for you.

You are doing all the right things....keep "feeling" every moment and learn as you go.  I have to do it everyday!

(((((hugs))))))

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Re: I sound like an N to me
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2009, 01:35:19 PM »
Thanks Bear. I think I feel the 'right' emotions - right as in positive not of course by being in denial of the negative ones, but by choice.
I don't want to feel anger, jealousy, guilt or resentment anymore - which were the ones I was usually made to feel as an extension of NM.

P.