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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #165 on: May 06, 2010, 03:38:55 PM »
Ya know - another word that might be used to describe the filter you're talking about - is boundary. In that, while it's important to consider other people's opinions about us (when offered kindly and as solicited feedback) and those opinions can sometimes enlighten us about who we are; what we are... no one but yourself gets to decide which of those are accurate.

Other people's comments, way they treat certain people, criticisms, etc are all colored by their own values, experiences and "issues". Remember the saying "consider the source"... given that your parents were so obviously unfair to you and even dysfunctional in their relationship with each other and themselves - all the money and power in the world doesn't change who they are as human beings. As a "source" for the end all, be all definition of YOU - you owe it yourself to seriously question their opinions.

You owe it to yourself to start peeling off - and throwing away - i.e., cleaning up your own opinion of yourself. Then, the other stuff will follow, I think, like magic.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #166 on: May 07, 2010, 10:01:22 AM »
part of the trick for me is moving past the wretched "feeling" that is more oppressive than the thoughts.  I am still oblivious to internal dialogues it is the feeling that traps me.

I realize today that part of the key is to begin a talk to myself and to move forward in spite of that wretched feeling.  I am going to give this all a try.  I feel close to making progress.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #167 on: May 07, 2010, 03:52:21 PM »
Making progress.
I have just hurried home to sneek in a few minutes before carpool  to write some important insights down.
As I was working things out in my mind I got a call from my father so having just hung up I want to write about that first.

I have not yet seen a physical manifestation of changes reflecting the internal changes taking place but I am certain that they are soon to follow.  Just that certainty alone makes that prognosis very strong.

As I was talking to my father I found those ingrained horrific responses taking over.  Then I viewed him as a helpless human bound in OCD bizarre behavior and conversation.  I cannot tell you  what that simple frame of mind did to alter my interaction with him.  He was returning a call I made to his wife concerning an activity she had planned with my son tomorrow morning.  Long story short my 9 year old had called him several times this week to ask him to pay for a honorary level at his karate dojo which is called the blackbelt club.  The fee is $249 and it allows the children an extra training per month and to participate in a leadership program.  The participants are invited to join based on their work ethic at karate and home.  I don't have the $249 right now and so decided that we could ask one of my parents.  As my father has never done anything for my son other than give me money to purchase birthday and Christmas gifts I thought we would ask him.  We finally contacted him by phone on Wed. evening.  He returned my son's call and after my child invited him to an alumni activity at his (their) elementary school my father raised his voice at him telling him that my father did not have time to talk.  Now remember, my father made this phone call.  My son never had the opportunity to tell him about karate and even still my father was ... well fill in the blank.

So when we connected today - he told me that he had not finished his conversation with my son but that he did not have time to talk because he had to get to the barber.  Then he asked when he could reach me.  I gave him a specific time slot which he then talked about for another 15 minutes about why that would not work and about what my phone number was and how I never answered when he called and on and on and on.  I found myself getting beyond worked up until suddenly I held in my mind the image of his OCD running rampant, uncontrollable and then suddenly my whole, ingrained reaction released.  With that subtle shift I actually heard something shift in his tone - imperceptibly less frantic.

We hung up.  Within moments he called again (this is a pattern that goes back for 30 or 40 years) and he went through a litany of why he couldn't talk and what phones he does and does not answer and how he does not believe in talking while driving but that he does it any way and how he was going to miss his appointment with the barber and therefore he could no longer talk and on and on and on. 

It was insane - and for the first time in my life - I did not take it on myself, did not mourn my loss or absence of a father, of a source of love or protection or concern.  I saw a human being broken who had nothing obvious to offer but who could use some something, perhaps recognition of humanity with zero expectations attached.  And I knew that I have turned a corner, that if I can do that when in the midst of an insane conversation that I can do that for all that precedes.

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Now the prelude.

I am coming to see that I can, with work, determination and belief, find the technique or ability to shift out of my long ingrained panic reaction, my outright fear of rejection, condemnation and unworthiness (not good enoughness).  That sift feels like the difference between helplessness and determination - Horatio Alger; the shift between victim and overcomer; between passive helplessness and active problem solver.

In order to make this transition - all I have to do is to begin to have experiences of this kind; to be aware of them; to file them away and keep my focus on them until this type of experience, of overcoming becomes the norm rather than the exception.

In order to make this change - I must be willing to know that the fear reaction that has become ingrained and a norm for me is a coping mechanism from my childhood which is no longer valid and no longer protecting but now is the opposite.  I have to acknowledge that this horrific feeling, that I have for years, shut down in order to avoid, given up who I am and so much more including all the "good things" of life, this horrific feeling is only a fear reaction that can be eliminated by digging deep and finding the courage and confidence and strength to push through and each and every time I opt for action rather than shutting down I am healing myself.  I will see myself as doing what courageous humans do who have been through debilitating physical accidents and push themselves through painful therapy because they are willing to suffer the pain to get to the other side. 

I can do this and I am able to find that strength in part due to the understanding and support that I have received from those of you here.

i am gonig to do this and I am inexpressibly thankful that I have a place where I can come and share my progress and my struggles and know, for the first time in my life, that I am loved.  Thanks to you all and to Dr. Grossman who continues to make this possible.  I will overcome this.  I am so close and so much ground work has already been done.  That is what all the writing I have been doing these past years here - it has been my groundwork,  it has been the gestational period of my healing and I am about to go into labor.  I know that it will be painful beyond memory but the fruits of that labor will be a magnificent creation of my very own child - who is me - it will be the real birthing of my own self and I have all of you midwives here at VESMB to thank.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #168 on: May 07, 2010, 05:31:29 PM »
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YES!!!!!

and NO - the next part of the process doesn't HAVE to be painful, GS; difficult, trying, annoying, frightening even.... but it doesn't HAVE TO be painful. Why???   Because that part is up to you and doesn't include the 'rents - it's ALL YOURS... and I think there are a bunch of us here willing to hug you, pat you on the back (and stick around to help support you)... all because you've EARNED THIS and you DESERVE TO ENJOY THIS!!! A little private celebration - something you've always thought was just "decadent" is in order, I think.... a bit of rest, too - before pushing on.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #169 on: May 07, 2010, 05:46:20 PM »
Oh, Strength, I want to echo PR's YES!  Yes to you and all that you are....yes to all your insights, your courage, your new future.  Yes to your son and all that he has gained when you set out to work through this stuff. 

This is what I found, too: that when you see them for what they are (rather pathetic), it takes all the wind out of both your sails and theirs.  Just calm and resolve and peace.

Congratulations dear Strength!

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When they are older and telling their own children about their grandmother, they will be able to say that she stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way -- and it surely has not -- she adjusted her sails.  Elizabeth Edwards 2010

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #170 on: May 07, 2010, 06:04:31 PM »
I have been working on this this afternoon while my son was in a lesson.  I used my EFT and worked on a statement that I wrote to get to the core of the issues.  EFT helps me deeal with these issues iin 2 ways: the first is that it takes the edge off of the extreme pain (which I am convinced I am experiencing because I have taken the lid of repression away) and second it takes me to related issues that need healing as well.

As I was tapping on the statement I wrote several memories came up.  There were not repressed memories but I had not seen the relationship that they held to the primary issue of being rejected and condemned by my father.

As I worked on this process, I wrote down some of the things that were coming up.    As I read over my jottings I was struck as if by a 2x4 by this sentence.  "No desire and longing go unpunished."  This insight is not new so I was astonished by the emotional impact that it had when I read it over.  I made the connection to the inability I have to follow through on things that are good for me, things like diet and exercise and other similar things.  These desires and attempts to secure them never went unpunished.  WOW.  That is a huge insight.  No wonder identifying things that I long for and need send me into a panic - they never went unpunished.

I know I will continue to make these connections and as I do the cord to the elephant's foot will be cut permanently.  That freedom and healing is ever so close and then the next issue will be that much easier - if not less painful.

[The worst part of this is the huge adrenaline rush as though it is an uncapped oil source at the bottom of my heart.  It is like being on a 24 hour release amphetimine with no relief in sight.  It drains me and leaves me feeling like hunted prey with little if any cover.]

Boy what a relief it is to understand what is going on.  I pray for and know that the resulting shift will soon be manifest.  I cannot wait.  I am ready for the healing balm.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #171 on: May 07, 2010, 06:15:18 PM »
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the next part of the process doesn't HAVE to be painful, GS; difficult, trying, annoying, frightening even...

Wow - thanks PR.  that is very encouraging to read.  I get it.  This is the painful part.  Once I have gone through it I am on the other side.  Difficult, trying, annoying, frightening even I can handle.

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when you see them for what they are (rather pathetic), it takes all the wind out of both your sails and theirs.

YES CB it really does.
The mystery for me is this - there is such a gulf between "knowing" this and it being integrated within.
I still do not understand the link between these two.  But I do know that "knowing" has always preceded the integration for me.  That gap between the two is very painful - but it must be accompanied with a belief that the integration WILL come.

(Part of me must keep writing about it over and over and over, as if otherwise it would dissipate into an unincorporated ether and part of me must write about it over and over as though that will make it real, cement it into being rather than an idea or ideal and part of me must write about it over and over and over again as if to satisfy a hunger that has lifelong been unsated or a thirst that almost killed me. I want that child to be born, that labor to end, the pain to stop, but this is all a necessary part of the metamorphosis choose it or not.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #172 on: May 08, 2010, 09:24:04 AM »
definitely a shift when I woke up
Key is to maintain it

I was picking up some things in the bathroom PILE to launder and as I did it, I felt the lifelong process of anxiety and shame starting to work, It was a laundry list of so MUCH that has to be done.  I stopped it dead.  The laudry list that grows and grows and has a "You are worthless and incompetent" message attached.

If I can do this I will break this hold and move into a participatory life.
fingers crossed.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #173 on: May 08, 2010, 11:17:42 AM »
Yeah, I had to write it over & over too GS! For me, I think the difference between knowing something intellectually and integrating it, as you say is acceptance.

Acceptance that I was taught to hate myself, abuse myself, deny myself and center all my caring, concern (and anxiety) on trying to please, be lovable to, accepted by - someone who simply wasn't ABLE to do those things.

Acceptance that NOTHING I could do or be would EVER change that (regardless of how much I did want to change that).

Acceptance that my ability to care for myself in a positive way didn't DEPEND on that relationship from long ago; acceptance that the world is NOT all pain & difficulty nor did I deserve to punish myself with that any further. I was just a normal human with normal feelings, hopes and dreams - and it wasn't my fault that my mom is the way she is; none of the old Twiggy story (with a few exceptions) and my fault. I finally accepted myself "warts" and bad habits and all....

and no, I don't always please everyone I'm close to now with who/what I am. But I no longer kick myself when that happens or agonize over what "should've been". Yes, there are still things that I want to "grow out of" about me; things I want to work on and change... but I no longer set the bar so high that I am doomed to fail. I do try to stretch out of my comfort zone from time to time, too. And you know what??

Those old canards, unfair criticisms and judgements are still there in my head. But so is "don't trust anyone over 30" and the fact that the Nile flows north and a million kazillion other little things. The "old crap" no longer stands out as being any more important than the fact that once upon a time, I used to weigh 110 lbs.

It's JUST A FACT - and no more than that. You're starting to get to that place too. That gives me a nice peaceful, warm, fuzzy feeling about you and what's in store you now. And I'm silly, crazy, wacky happy for you too!!!!
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #174 on: May 08, 2010, 03:21:20 PM »
This is the single worst day I have had in years and it is only half over.

The repression is off and my anger is explosive.
My son has pushed me to my limits and so has my mother.
In the past, I would have had more control.  Today I have none.

This is the BS my mother pulls.  She planned to take my son out to shop for a Mother's Day gift, which is a lovely gesture.
We get to her house, my son and I have had two horrific fights over the same thing today and I was telling her about it when she then began to pick at him about it.  Naturally he explodes and disappears.  I calm him down and require him to apologize to her and she apologizes as well and THEN he says he is going to take a treasured Lego catalogue with him.  she says, "No. You must leave it here."  "Why?" I asked.  "Well I don't know," she answers sort of hangdogish.  "I  call shotgun," he claims, "with my catalogue." "No.  Not with the catalogue!"  "Why not?" I ask with utter incredulity.

I'm still utterly outraged at her.  My son left and I just let go.  I asked her why she would do that and when she refused to even consider why I told her - "because you have to CONTROL him. And he HATES it. He hates  coming over here because you control his every action."  I let go with both barrels and I was accurate as hell.

I hate being such a loose cannon.  It does NOT feel good.  I know exactly what it is coming from  - years and years of rage at being treated as less than a human.  It has certainly taken a toll.  But if I don't get control of my anger I will pay a huge price.  I cannot repress it either because that price has been big as well.  So I guess the alternative is to find a way to channel it.  I don't have a clue about how to do that at this moment.

Oh my heavens - I just figured out, I am feeling horrendous guilt and shame and expecting punishment (rejection, condemnation) for my angry outbursts.  This is a very important realization.   I do not know what to do with it yet.  I feel caught in a catch 22 and I want out.  I am at a fork - I can repress and move on or process and move through.  I don't want  do either.


Wow Phoenix Rising - you have such a way with words.  At times your posts are like poetry - dense, tightly packed, cutting quick to the bone and excising meaning that for me is hidden under layers and layers of stuff.  You expose it and abstract it and share it and give shape to things I experience and cannot put words to.  And I thank you.  It is a treasure.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #175 on: May 09, 2010, 12:04:24 AM »
I saw a human being broken who had nothing obvious to offer but who could use some something, perhaps recognition of humanity with zero expectations attached.  And I knew that I have turned a corner

So you have, GS, I am so glad for you.

The thing about the rage is that it's a natural violent healing, kind of.
And something you don't want to express "at" your son.

If so much time around your mother brings it forth...how do we shield him so you can continue healing and he can too? You're changing his family tree as you change yourself.

love to you and delight in your astonishing breakthroughs--you are saying NEW, STRONG things!

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #176 on: May 09, 2010, 08:49:06 AM »
GS - I have another perspective about you unloading the shotgun of rage at your mom. I so understand that it doesn't feel good - and yep; you're exactly right about WHY it didn't. Under "normal" circumstances, I'd say you were triggered and crossed a boundary of civility of expression, for instance if you'd gone off at a cashier in a store. I've been there; it really doesn't feel good when the person didn't deserve it.

However, your mom was the target. The anger was still triggered - it was about "control" and "unfairness". It touched way deep into the core of your immobilization - and the fear. And from my reading of what happened, your mom has deserved your anger for some time for just this type of thing.

And you deserve to FEEL that outraged anger - for yourself, not just for your son - until it dissipates. And it will. Why? BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TREATED THAT WAY TOO AND IT HURTS. Humans get angry, enraged, when someone hurts them. It's natural. Yes, there is a whole range - a scale - of anger that's matched up different transgressions. But this is kinda different; you've not felt safe enough from the feared "other shoe"... so this anger hasn't had anywhere to "wind down" yet; anywhere to settle out and evaporate.

Like some toxic poison IV drip... it's been altering the chemistry of you and the idea that you're not allowed to be angry just might be another "tool" of the enemy to control you, n'est-ce pas? Since WHEN are people not allowed to be angry?? You have a RIGHT to feel the whole range of emotions... and not all anger is "BAD"; sounds to me like this was "righteous anger" - and that's seldom a "refined, civilized, and rational" expression.

Self-control of anger comes after you get to know how it feels; why you're feeling it; how to give it the space it needs; how it feels in your body - and how to step out of it, at will. This was a teenaged-gawky phase for me and I made mistakes. This was where I learned to forgive myself for feeling in the first place - and letting go the idea that there was a "right" way to feel and that anger wasn't on that list of "acceptable" feelings.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #177 on: May 09, 2010, 10:49:58 AM »
It is as though I have had a lid on stuff for so long and in the past there were eruptions out of the sides when it all bubbled up too much but this time there was no lid and the stuff just went through the top like a volcano.

Rather than a lid of repression, I plan to cover that boilding anger with a filter and learn to channel it in positive changes.  I just hadnot had time or understanding.

This shift is more difficult than I expected.  It will be different each and every day I suspect.
The key, I believe is shifting out of those states of fear and anger (anger usually comes out of being rejected) and resentment and channel it into determination.  I know I can do this but it will be a learning process.  I have for years now shut down.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #178 on: May 09, 2010, 12:11:28 PM »
The momentum to making this shift real is building.

I am understanding clearer and clearer how important making the shift from my automatic emotional reactions to a determination of channelling the negative energy into positive. I do understand that it will take practise over and over but I also understand that I can do it.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #179 on: May 10, 2010, 09:16:37 AM »
As I make progress, it becomes cllearer and clearer how much more must be cleared.  The  layers are legion and in the core is a twiested cord of fibers each belonging to a wound so deep.

Only in recent years did I learn that my father has a host of mental illnesses and they were present to varioisu degrees when I was growing up. I always believed that what was being asked of me only seemed impossible because something was lacking in me, something fundamental. 

Truthfully, no words, even here, come close to conveying what I am going through.  I know that I will get through to the other side.  It will not be swift but I will get there.

I do need people to help me through it and I am incredibly thankful for this place.  It is the only place I know where people cven come close to understanding.

I read on another site recently something written by someone who also comes here that if ourwounds were physical we would be treated with compassion and encouragement and patience and support in the world but because our wounds are pyschological and invisible there is no mercy.

I am finding a way to get past this need.

As I began cleaning up my yard yesterday, I was hounded by echos of criticism and condemnation as though the people were standing right beside me yelling in my ear.  I found my mind wandering through a maze of resentment and depression and shutting down and then as I recognized the process, I was able to name it and process it and work my way through it. 

The resentment I feel is very debilitating.  It feeds the sense of helplessness and hopelessness and rejection.  But it is also legitimate and it comes from early, early childhood and it comes from treatment that never ever stopped.  It comes from experiences similar to what my mother did to my son about the catalogue. Only noone ever intervened on my behalf and my mother's participation in such behavior was only a glint of what my father did.

The reason what my mother did was so poisonous is that she, for no reason whatsoever, sought to take away a pleasure of his that caused no harm and not even extra effort on her part or anyone else's.  What she did, was a clear demonstration of taking away a pleasure of his simply because she could and simply because she did not want him to have that pleasure.  A grandparent and a parent should live to seekout and encourage such small pleasures but my parents sought to destroy any such moments and that is where my profound resentment comes from.  Where other parents encouraged joy and comfort and good things mine sought to take them away.  It gave them pleasure to deny them.  And that attitude still prevails for both of them. 

Another part of that is that is when they give something it is not because someone asked and it seldom has anything to do with what someone wants.  In fact, if something is needed or wanted that will not be a part of the gift.  That is yet another source of resentment. 

The sabotage factor in my childhood was beyond description.  And it lead to intense resentment.  Life was truly unfair and part of the legacy of that for me is this HUGE piile of resentment that keeps me in a "victim" mentality.  But I am going to take that pile of sh*t and use it to turn my garden into the most productive garden in the universe.  I am going to process that sh*t and make it into something wonderful.

Part of that process is allowing it to continue to come to the surface and that is a very unpleasant experience but it is far better than the alternative - of living in it and repressing it.