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[Dr. Richard Grossman]

For Izzy,

You  posted to this Board (and Ann3 responded to) what follows.  The thread was later deleted, but not before people, including myself, read it—I have edited out the section about your daughter because it is not relevant to this post.  While you are entitled to your views, I find them horrifying, offensive, and frightening.  I have, of course, known holocaust survivors and have read many books on the subject.  Here are some books that I would recommend you read as an introduction:

Primo Levi’s Survival in Auschwitz

Amos Elon’s  The Pity of it All:  A Portrait of the German-Jewish Epoch, 1743-1933

Roman Halter’s  Roman’s Journey:  A Memoir of Survival  (A wonderful book written by the father of a friend—I believe a BBC documentary is in the works.  Surviving both Auschwitz and the Dresden fire bombing, 17 y.o. Roman did try to go back to his house in Poland [as Helen Thomas recently suggested] following the German surrender.   He vividly describes his “homecoming”.)

Richard





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hi Deb,

It is so unfortunate that there are so many dysfunctional families these days, and I lay it all at the feet of the 'satanists' who want a 'New World Order'.  They are in control of 95% of all media: the newspapers, TV, movies, music, magazines... and my belief is that it originates in Israel with the Khazarian Jews.  Most of the US Government includes dual citizenship folks, Israeli/American.  They are Zionists, worship Satan, and not many people these days have a chance to check on what is really happening, as both parents have to work, and the children in day care are force fed the Zionist messages...as well the Zionists write the school books for later years.

I have had 18 months of sitting here on my computer looking into conspiracies and I have learned SO much about what is happening...pushing interracial relationships, homosexuality, Lady GaGa types, and this fits right in with the book 'Brave New World' written by Aldoux Huxley in 1932. In it, sex is recreational, and new people are created in 'jars' with certain chemicals to make them the village idiot, the janitor, the Head Leader, whatever the Leader wanted, in a One World Government. (There are people who live far away and are 'Old World'.) Apparently, since this has been planned for centuries, 'they' now feel that USA is a Police State, and it is time to lower the population to ½ billion, and the HQs for the NWO will be Israel.

Well guess who did 9-11? Israel and the USA. All of us must be more aware. Some people don't want to hear about doomsday for the world, but it will be only the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the Investment Bankers, etc. who will survive. Have you ever googled FEMA death camps, FEMA coffins? It is too scary to thing about.

Nevertheless, at 71, I have seen the world change from the 50's when I was a teen until now and it's bad. CIA funded Gloria Steinham for MS. magazine to make women rise up a demand equality.

I wasn't raised this way. I didn't know, nor did anyone else and I am ashamed that this NWO has worked it's way into Canada. I thought we were a good country.
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That's my intro, as what is happening today didn't happen even 50 years ago...............although it was well planned when the Federal Reserve was signed into effect in 1913.
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Wow, Izzy!

I hadn't realized you are a Jew hating anti semite.  Please don't tell me that you only hate "Zionists" & not Jews because when the word "Zionist" is used in the context in which you used it, it means all Jews.

Do you realize that the person who runs this board, which provides you with a forum to express yourself, is a Jew, or should I say a Zionist?

I'm outraged & disgusted that you would believe this trash, let alone post it.

What's next?  Quotes from Hitler?  Father Coughlin?  Ahmadinejad?

I am sorry that you are in pain, but your post is inexcusable.

As they say: check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Perhaps your daughter has good reason for keeping her distance.


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Wow ann3

Khazarian Jews are different, from my readings, than the regular Jew. The former are Satanists, the latter not! Have you read about this?

Nevertheless, if people are not attuned to the same information, then it can result in a horrid response such as yours.

Dr. Grossman does not come across as a Khazarian Jew, and I have had may dealing with regular Jews, who were never crooks and killers.

Your return post was uncalled for.

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"Khazarian Jews are different, from my readings, than the regular Jew. The former are Satanists, the latter not!

"Dr. Grossman does not come across as a Khazarian Jew, and I have had may dealing with regular Jews, who were never crooks and killers."

You see, I anticipated your answer:  "Khazarian Jews", whatever they are, are not the same as "regular Jews". Yeah, Right!

It seems in your effort to educate & inform yourself, you buy into age old anti semetic jew hating & that says a great deal about who you are as a person.  Of course, it doesn't have to be the Jews, it could be any minority that you seek to scapegoat.

Suggested reading:  the effects of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, because that is essentially what you are citing, but you are too ignorant to even know that!!  This stuff goes back a long time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (Russian: "Протоколы сионских мудрецов" or "Сионские протоколы") is one of many titles given to an antisemitic text purporting to describe a plan to achieve global domination by the Jewish people."

"The Protocols appeared in print in the Russian Empire as early as 1903. The anti-Semitic tract was published in Znamya, a Black Hundreds newspaper owned by Pavel Krushevan, as a serialized set of articles. It appeared again in 1905 as a final chapter (Chapter XII) of a second edition of Velikoe v malom i antikhrist (The Great in the Small & Antichrist), a book by Serge Nilus. In 1906 it appeared in pamphlet form edited by G. Butmi.[1]

These first three (and subsequently more) Russian language imprints were published and circulated in the Russian Empire during 1903–1906 period as a tool for scapegoating Jews, blamed by the monarchists for the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War and the 1905 Russian Revolution. Common to all three texts is the idea that Jews aim for world domination."

"........... the Protocols emphasizes recurring themes of conspiratorial antisemitism: "Jews always scheme", "Jews are everywhere", "Jews are behind every institution", "Jews obey a central authority, the shadowy 'Elders'", and "Jews are close to success."[27]

The Protocols is widely considered influential in the development of other conspiracy theories, and reappears repeatedly in contemporary conspiracy literature, such as Jim Marrs' Rule by Secrecy. Some recent editions proclaim that the "Jews" depicted in the Protocols are a cover identity for other conspirators such as the Illuminati,[28] Freemasons, the Priory of Sion, or even, in the opinion of David Icke, "extra-dimensional entities." "


I realize you are stuck at home & spend a lot of time on the internet, but I hope you can spend your time other than reading trash & spreading poison.

There are so many other things in this world that you can read about & explore, yet, you chose this.  Think about it.  What you posted is a poison that spreads hate.  Do you not understand that??????????

I realize we are post-Holocaust, but, must I really explain this to you?  Unless, of course, you think that the Holocaust was a hoax.

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Here's a movie for you Izzy:

http://www.amazon.com/Protocols-Zion-Marc-Levin/dp/B000FAOCF4

Protocols of Zion (2004)

Product Description
Despite all the evidence, millions around the world continue to blame the Jews for 9/11. This belief is a modern-day incarnation of the infamous "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the century-old forgery that some people claimed to be the Jews’ master plan to rule the world. Filmmaker Marc Levin sets out to understand why "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" has been revived, and to challenge one of the most persistent, insidious conspiracy theories of all time. In the course of his explosive journey, Levin finds himself delving into the heart of hate, facing those who would traffic in bigotry, all in the name of God.

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I wasn't going to reply, but of course the holocaust was a hoax! There were about 3½ million jews in Germany and 6,000,000 were gassed. Find me a picture of a gas chamber that can do that. The delousing chambers were so small that to gas 6 million, they would still be at it! Get Real!
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Anyway a Jew is born a Jew-- conversion means nothing
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Other religions------
Besides Judaism, other religions probably practiced in areas ruled by the Khazars included Greek Orthodox, Nestorian,
and Monophysite Christianity, Zoroastrianism as well as Norse, Finnic, and Slavic cults.The Khazar government tolerated
a wide array of religious practices within the Khaganate. Many Khazars reportedly were converts to Christianity and
(They were not original Jews.)
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Debate about Khazar conversion to Judaism

Date and extent of the conversion
The date of the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism, and whether it occurred as one event or as a sequence of events
over time, is widely disputed.

The number of Khazars who convertedto Judaism is also hotly contested, with historical accounts ranging from claims
that only the King and his retainers had embraced Judaism, to the claim that the majority of the lay population had
converted. D.M. Dunlop was of the opinion that only the upper class converted; this was the majority view until
relatively recently. Analysis of recent archaeological grave evidence by such scholars as Kevin A. Brook asserts
that the sudden shift in burial customs, with the abandonment of pagan-style burial with grave goods and the adoption
of simple shroud burials during the mid-9th century suggests a more widespread conversion. A mainstream scholarly
consensus does not yet exist regarding the extent of the conversions.
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A black Sammy Davis Jr. converting to Judaism is not white, not a Jew and he is still black! True Jewish comes from the Jewish mother's side.
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Zionism is primarily a nationalist Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland. Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to
1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and
2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as e.g. in Christian Zionism.
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Therefore not all Zionists are Jews.
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Leave it alone. You are away off topic!

Respectfully
Izzy



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"I wasn't going to reply, but of course the holocaust was a hoax!"

You are a hateful anti semite.

No wonder your daughter wants nothing to do with you.

Your heart is filled with hatred & bitterness.  I really feel sorry for you.

But, you have shown your true colors.


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You are obviously an ignorant & uneducated woman.

I have been to Dauchau & Auschwitz.  You probably have never been out of Canada.  I bet you never went to college.

To have reached your age & to be how you are is pitiful.  But, you still have time to change, although I doubt you will.

I just hope you can open your mind & heart.  Take an adult education course.  Learn real facts, not the garbage posted on the internet.

[JustKathy]

I left this board about six months ago after Izzy started another highly offensive thread, and attacked me personally for supporting our president. But I came back, because I decided that I wasn't going to let a hate monger drive me away from the board that I have been posting on for more than six years. I come here because I need help understanding my N mother, and I need this board, and I need this group of friends.

Izzy, I'm not going to address your comments individually. I'll just say that I think you are very disturbed and need help. You are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, and an extreme anti-semite. I also have health problems and spend a lot of time online, but I have enough sense to realize that 99.9% of the conspiracy garbage on the Internet is just that: GARBAGE. It isn't true.

I think you would be better served by finding a message board for other people who believe this bunk. This hate mongering has no place on this board. If you must stay, I ask that you not respond to any threads that I start. I have friends of all races, religions, and sexual orientation, and they are ALL beautiful people. You are not. You are filled with ugliness. I pity you.

Kathy

[ann3]

It is not my intention to perpetuate disagreement or hatred on this board.  I consider this board a haven, a safe place where voiceless people can find their voice.

However, I want to share 2 personal messages sent from Izzy to me early this morning.  I just found them.  I added the color & font bolding:

Here's the first one:


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AHA! Such as yours!

Are you drunk or high on dope or something?

Izzy

Here's the second one:

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Is the Holocaust a Hoax?

Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.

Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed.

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one body has ever been discovered.

The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery to arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail or even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents ever presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million Jews!

Even The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were written with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived.

It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of genocide.

Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as retribution for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel than to any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per year, everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to Israel, every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely the American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned money is being squandered in these difficult times.

With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why this Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust is "Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If nothing else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the facts is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the majority of those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you would never know it from the media.




Izzy even thinks Ann Frank is a hoax!!  How sick is that????????????

This is what a Jew hating, anti semitic, Holocaust denier looks like.  This is the poison that they spread.  IT IS ALL LIES.

People who engage in this are usually ignorant, uneducated, angry people who seek refuge in centuries of Jew Hating.

Izzy is poison.  Probably due to the hardships she's endured, she has sought refuge in hatred.  Instead of choosing the light, Izzy has chosen the dark.  Not only is she a sad person, but, she is destructive.  She espouses all the hatred that good people seek to eliminate.

Izzy is intractable in her beliefs.  She refuses to change.  If she went to Auschwitz, she'd still deny that the Holocaust occurred.

Next time you hear Iranian dictator Ahmadinejad or a Neo Nazi speak, think of Izzy.  They are kindred souls.

One can only fight such people & pray for their defeat.

[ann3]

I left this board about six months ago after Izzy started another highly offensive thread, and attacked me personally for supporting our president. But I came back, because I decided that I wasn't going to let a hate monger drive me away from the board that I have been posting on for more than six years. I come here because I need help understanding my N mother, and I need this board, and I need this group of friends.

Izzy, I'm not going to address your comments individually. I'll just say that I think you are very disturbed and need help. You are a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, and an extreme anti-semite. I also have health problems and spend a lot of time online, but I have enough sense to realize that 99.9% of the conspiracy garbage on the Internet is just that: GARBAGE. It isn't true.

I think you would be better served by finding a message board for other people who believe this bunk. This hate mongering has no place on this board. If you must stay, I ask that you not respond to any threads that I start. I have friends of all races, religions, and sexual orientation, and they are ALL beautiful people. You are not. You are filled with ugliness. I pity you.

Kathy

Hi Just Kathy,

I think your post really sums up Izzy as a person and her effects on the board.  I hope you come back to the board & post.  We can't allow people like this to chase us away.

ann

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This was some surprise, but I apologize for bringing politics onto the Board.

I am just aware that the World in not getting any better; if anything it is worse and I
was researching for reasons why.

I didn’t know that one person’s ‘discoveries’ would cause such a disturbance, or bring out such name-calling/judgments against me.

I decided to bring it to an end, on the forum itself, and I see it is resurrected.

Back to voicelessness.

Izzy

[Hopalong]

Izzy,

I have felt, and still do, enormous compassion for you because of all you have suffered, physically and emotionally. It has just torn my heart, learning what you have gone through and continue to, day after day.

But I am deeply saddened by your credulity.

For many isolated people (including me at times), the Internet offers a sense of community. And when one has been victimized--as you have in so many ways--it is not uncommon for right-wing theories and prejudices to take hold in the imagination. Loathing and contempt for entire groups of people --iow, bigotry--can create an "explanation" of some sort, for the frustration and powerlessness and pain.

But it is not truth. It is not freeing. For you or for those who are harmed by the spread of these notions about who "other" people are.

It truly is poisonous, Izz. It's not entertaining, and it's not history. It's the worst human toxicity. 

I hope you will read the books that have been recommended here. I really do hope that.

I hope it for you.

with love,
Hops

[ann3]

This was some surprise, but I apologize for bringing politics onto the Board.

I am just aware that the World in not getting any better; if anything it is worse and I
was researching for reasons why.

I didn’t know that one person’s ‘discoveries’ would cause such a disturbance, or bring out such name-calling/judgments against me.

I decided to bring it to an end, on the forum itself, and I see it is resurrected.

Back to voicelessness.

Izzy

"Bringing politics onto the Board"?!?

This is not a matter of differing political view points.

Face the truth, Izzy, face the facts:  You are a Jew hating, anti semitic, Holocaust Denier.  Your numerous posts prove this.

"I am just aware that the World in not getting any better; if anything it is worse and I was researching for reasons why."
I understand that.  But you have looked in one of the worse possible places to find reasons why the world has problems.  There are many reasons why the world has problems, but you, yourself chose this despicable explanation.

Try to understand that by spewing the poison you have posted, you make the world a worse place, not better.

And, try to understand that you yourself voluntarily sought out, believed & spread some of the most vile, hateful & destructive, false dogma on earth.  You can also choose to reject it & seek other explanations for the ills of the world.  It is your choice.

"judgments against me"
Judgments against you???  Oh yes, you bet I am judging you for this & you deserve every bit of it.

"I decided to bring it to an end, on the forum itself, and I see it is resurrected."
No, you don't decide when it ends.  You opened this can of worms, so you live with it & hear what people have to say to you.

Izzy, you have done wrong.  You have done a bad thing.  Face it, admit it, if not to the Board, then to yourself.

Nonetheless, I do hope you abandon the dark hatred & let in the light.  Hatred leads to destruction, including self destruction.

[mudpuppy]

And when one has been victimized--as you have in so many ways--it is not uncommon for right-wing theories and prejudices to take hold in the imagination.

  I find this nearly as offensive as Izzy's rantings.
  There are indeed many loonies on the right and they are rightly condemned by nearly every person on the right who is not a loony.
  I patiently await the day when left wing loonies like Rosie O'Donnell or Michael Moore or Oliver Stone or Bill Ayers or Sean Penn or Noam Chomsky, ad nauseum who spout the same bat-s*&t crazy nonsense about the Jews and Bush secretly causing 9/11, and a hundred other whacko conspiracy theories, are equally condemned by the non loony left rather than given oscars and honorary doctorates.

mud 

[ann3]

Hey Mud,

I hear you & I agree.  It's not about left vs. right.  It's about people who feel down troddened & defeated & seeks the "answer" in centuries old anti semitic dogma.  And it doesn't necessarily have to be anti-Jewish dogma, but any dogma that singles out a group or minority upon which to blame the ills of the world, ie: "My problems or world problems are caused by X group".

Unfortunately, many down troddened people choose these dogmas because it is easier to buy into an already existing dogma instead of educating themselves & thinking for themselves.

I think this is a very important issue.  Let us not just blindly accept explanations which feed our desire for revenge & hatred.  Let us question & use our minds to think for ourselves.  Human beings have the ability to reason.  Let's use it.

[Hopalong]

Point taken, Mud...and I don't object to most of your examples of way-too-far lefties, either.

I should have said FAR-right.

Hops

[CB123]

Thank you, Richard, for responding to this so quickly (was it quickly?  I never saw this thread at all)  It's important to speak out against this kind of rhetoric. 

I watched a very important film (it seems to me) recently, called "Paperclips".  It was how one school made a point of combating this kind of ignorance in the next generation.  I was so encouraged to see that people really can be educated and minds can be opened to the truth of history.  I think that it is the little stands that we take for the truth that are actually not so little. 

Thank you for taking this stand and illuminating the truth.

CB

[debkor]

Hey Iz,

Keep reading.  Take Doc up on the books.

If you were to have a tattoo and a Holocaust Survivor and I told you it was a Hoax ...It didn't happen and went on about what I read (as you read) a bunch of lies...
You would?

If you wore long sleeved shirts and made your children to swear to never talk about it with others...Can you figure out why?

If a 13 year old came to her 13 year old friend and told ... Would you wonder why?

If your friends were never allowed into your house (and you knew why) but the friends didn't...If you were the friends, would you wonder why?

If after two years you were invited in...Would you then wonder why? 

If you were in there one day and said hello to your friends mother and father at the kitchen table and your friend said...Look do you see the shirt hanging there?
Would you wonder why she is saying that?  When she says...look he's in his tank top and never got up to get his shirt it's the first time ever with you in the house.
Would you wonder why she is saying that?  Then  she says...The tattoo...he didn't cover it.  And then you wonder, Why?  But I never looked.  I turned my eyes.

Would you wonder why your friend is talking lingo that the other kids are not talking like....It's a Hot Box in here I have to get out...(anxiety ridden).

Do you wonder what she knew/learned from true stories from her father, possibly, about the Holocaust?

Do you wonder that he may have not said a thing for years because of the same Crap that is on the interent today? 

Do you wonder why my great grandmother would never speak in German or teach in the States?  And no, she did not support Hitler....
But do you wonder?

Fear...So much Pain...Dehumanized?
FEAR....

That is all I know about my friends father ...and about my Great GMa.
Just think about things, Iz.  You read lies.

Just wanted to share with you what I know (which is not much) just life memories.
An still... I wonder
I read the history books, I saw the pictures, and I saw my friends father who was stern, never spoke, never had any of his own friends, smile, laugh, or socialize ..until I was almost 17 with another family (ours) for just one day when we graduated.
And I wondered, why?
So much pain?
So much horror?
So many year to recover?

Are you wondering if you read Lies?

Love
Deb

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Any more ‘pick on Izzy’ posts for today?
I’ve had that all my life, so no bother. You are living in fear!

I suggest you turn the hatred you have, toward me, toward those who have really lied to you: members if your own Government.

JFK was not shot by Oswald.
The Moon Landing in 1969 was a hoax
The 9-11 original story is a lie.
Time to review post-9/11 mentality and face reality?
   Your Federal government has done everything in its power to circumvent, exploit, and subvert the law for personal and political gain while suppressing public awareness, which is criminal. Until you perform a real investigation into all the events of that day, the demand for truth will only grow louder and stronger. The evidence of a cover-up will not go away.

I've done much research and reading, books from the library--are they all phony too?  and deb I see you last here----was she a little Canadian girl, as I was?

[ann3]

Refusing to admit your error.  It is no wonder that your family shuns you.

Don't play the "victim" card.  You yourself created this situation.  How about thinking of the 6 million victims who perished in the Holocaust which you outrageously deny ever occurred?

[debkor]

Hey Iz,

Any more ‘pick on Izzy’ posts for today?
I’ve had that all my life, so no bother. You are living in fear!

I suggest you turn the hatred you have, toward me, toward those who have really lied to you:

I have not picked on you.  I am not living in fear.  I have no hatred towards you.  I don't think you have lied to me I think you believe the lies you have read.

You talked about your research and books you have read.  The holocaust was a hoax.  You say we have been lied to.  It never happened.

I talked about my friend and her father (who was a holocaust surviver) I said you have been reading lies. 
Why are you making choice to believe the lies you read.  I told you about a survivor I knew.  Dr. G told you he knew survivors.

Why are you ignoring the survivors and all the people who didn't survive?

I don't understand. I just don't understand.

Love
Deb