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BonesMS

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 10:01:08 AM »
Is there a term for that? My mom was so sweet on the phone (or maybe it was just my perception). It sounded so real as if she has changed. Are narcissists that great of actors? Suddenly, my mind went "poof!" It's as if all of the bad things she has done was forgotten. I started to deny my reality and even think "Maybe she's not really a narcissist?"

In September, we had a huge fight. She made rude comments about the person I was dating, insulted my weight, and did things against my will that made me uncomfortable. She put an ad on a dating site behind my back, and gave out my number to random men on the internet.  

Tonight, she is saying "I'm happy you found this person you're dating. Hope it goes well. There's nothing wrong with you dating outside of your race. " HUH? Months ago, she was enraged that I was dating someone outside of my race.    She was trying to plant vicious thoughts about my boyfriend, such as him just using me for sex and "What makes you think he will stay with you? He's not serious."  NOW, she's saying how happy she is that I'm with this person. Is it a trick?

Next, she went on about how much she loved me, how she just doesn't want me to suffer like she did, and how she's not getting anything out of the stuff that she makes me do.  Her justification for the dating ad was "I wasn't getting anything out of it. It was for YOU. I was trying so hard to find you a good match, so you would be happy!" 


I know she can flip like a switch. This honeymoon phase may not last long. Ever since our fight in September, I've been keeping a distance. Maybe she's being nice to lure me back in?

I've been struggling with this off and on. I keep getting sucked in when the N mom is nice.   A part of me wants to think "Okay, so she's finally accepting my relationship."  You just never know.

As I'm writing this, it helps me realize a pattern. My mom has done this "nice" thing many times.   When I got off the phone with her, I just didn't know how to explain what just happened.  It is seriously some sort of mind fucking. My mind feels so blank after talking to her. I don't know how to explain what happened or how I feel.


It's annoying how she's so GOOD at manipulating. Anybody who would hear her on the phone would say "What a nice mom. See she's not so bad."

As I read about how the NWomb-Donor went behind your back and took out an ad on a dating site without your knowledge or permission, the thought that immediately hit my brain was:  "OMG, the NWomb-donor is attempting to pimp her out!"  If it had succeeded, then she would DEMAND that SHE get the credit.  Since it failed, she's trying to flip the blame onto you!  (F-ing b*tch that she is!)  She's acting nice, like any abuser would, in order to lure you back in and then try to ram HER CONTROL down your throat as she has done before!  She will never quit trying as long as she thinks she can lure you back because, in her own warped mind, she thinks she still owns you body and soul.

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2010, 12:36:53 PM »
Thanks for all of the feedback and support, ladies. You all can always be counted on.When I made this topic, I felt selfish how I wasnt posting on here enough. I've been coming home from work at 7-8 leaving mounds of paperwork, phone calls, and clients that remind me of my N mom (unfortunately, you cant avoid that!).  I admit since I deal with clients' problems at work, I need to do something simple at home. I hope that's understandable.

BonesMS-That's exactly how I feel! That I'm being pimped out.  My parents told me to lose weight, so I can increase my chances of finding a good man. UGH! With my body dysmorphic disorder, this is an awful thing to say. It's as if it's a pimp telling a prostitute "Lose weight, so you can make more money."  Mind others, everyone else says my weight is fine.  It's just my parents who want me to be toothpick skinny.  Then again, pedophiles (step-dad) don't like womanly curves anyhow hah!  Again, a good man that loves you doesn't care if you gain a couple of pounds here and there. He likes you how you are.

PhoenixRising-My issue is with guilt. Your advice makes sense, but N mom preys on the sensitive and compassionate. I feel so bad for the horrible stuff she's gone through in her life, BUT at the same time I'm being hurt by her tactics.  Over time, hopefully I can be okay with not worrying how she's feeling if I ignore her calls.  I remember Dr.McBride's book saying "You're not responsible for people's feelings. They choose to feel that way."


Hopalong-Having an N mom and being from a culture where this behavior can look "normal" is a nightmare. Sadly, my mom is considered quite "liberal".  Nobody would give me compassion, because they would say "But your mom lets you do this! Other Indian parents don't. Why are you complaining?"  But, I feel so happy knowing what the world outside of my parents' beliefs are . Once you see the "other side" of being free, you don't want to go back.  The good news is I found some articles from other second generation Indian women dealing with the pressure of marriage. This new generation of women want to fight it, but many get sucked in out of helplessness. So, that makes me feel better.  

My boyfriend is also very supportive and understands that her behavior isn't healthy.My last ex wanted me to just deal with it and continue living with my parents. I also remember my male cousin in India thinking that it's fine for a mom to criticize my weight. He thinks it's out of "care and concern."
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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2010, 07:23:45 AM »
NLS - I think of guilt this way (and I went through my share of this, too):

Ns use guilt like a heavy steel club that's cloaked in tears, and reproach, and with the statement: you "make" me feel this way. And they feel absolutely "righteous" in laying waste with that club - and absolutely do not know, care, or even admit the reality of how their victim feels... or that they even have a right to their feelings - UNLESS it's guilt.

When I finally stopped participating in that 2 player game, you know what happened? Nothing.... on NMs end; absolutely everything is still the same. But I don't carry around that heavy load of guilt and self-doubt anymore.
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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2010, 08:40:24 AM »
Thanks, NLAS, and your title says it all...you are no longer a slave to her royal N-bitchiness!!  You are your own person and YAY for YOU!!!   :D

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2010, 10:41:01 PM »
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found some articles from other second generation Indian women dealing with the pressure of marriage. This new generation of women want to fight it

That's wonderful, NLAS.

It would be so amazing if you could find such a support group in 3-D. And meet, together, and befriend and strengthen each other.

THAT sounds like PHamily!

(If there's no such 3-D group near you, I bet you could start one, very simply...just by setting a date and a time and inviting them.)

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2010, 11:25:37 PM »
^That's a good idea, but I don't think I would get many responses. It's kind of taboo to "badmouth" your mom and put your business out there.  People do it online, because you're anonymous.

I sometimes think I'm to blame for these men harrassing me. Around the time when my mom did this to me, I only went on a few dates with my now boyfriends.  We weren't officially committed at that time (we were just getting to know each other) so I figured it wouldn't hurt to just talk to others.   After all, my mom would yell and guilt me if I didn't comply with her. To keep the peace, I figured I could just talk to these men as friends through e-mail.  I made it clear that I'm not jumping into anything.  But, I'm mad at myself as to why I "gave in." I should have just said "No, I'm not going to talk to these men." 

 Eventually, the whole plan turned into a nightmare. My mom was constantly breathing down my neck expecting me to e-mail all of these men right away and saying "Don't be rude!"  Doesn't she know that men don't like women that act desperate and available 24/7? Her dating advice is terrible.  She also wanted to know every single detail of our e-mails and was making sure that I wasn't saying "wrong" that would turn them off. 

I also realized that I didn't have ANYTHING in common with these men. All of them grew up in India, while I grew up here. When I did start ignoring these men hoping that they would get the hint, that's when they started to text and call me (my dad gave them my phone number). So much for me being rude! When you ignore a man, they sometimes just want you more.  That's precisely what all of these men did.

My mom was also concerned about me breaking these men's hearts. What about me? What about my feelings? Why is it about some stranger that you haven't even met?

If you read my old post about my step-dad saying "I saved your life" when I confronted him about molesting me a few months ago-This all happened when he called me selfish.  He called me selfish for not obeying his wish to marry me off to someone. I told him back "You're the one that's selfish for molesting me." Hence, his response was "I saved your life."

Both mom and dad were very angry at me for taking the profile off, and complaining about how I embarrassed them. They didn't even want to go to a wedding that we were supposed to go. My mom was trying to make it as if I ruined her mood.

Now, they are asking me to come visit them for Christmas/New Year as if nothing happened. 

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2010, 09:23:07 AM »
Love this, NLS, so much ID with this experience. 
When I learnt a bit more about PD, I learnt about splitting.  Ie, one expereince has no continuity with another.   This would be also true for her, she probably absolutely means what she says ~ in that moment, becasue it actually is how she feels ~ in that moment, so we get caught in because it sounds sincere, as in a way it is, ~ in that moment.   
When for whatever reason, she no longer needs supply, she'll devalue you, the BF, etc, because she'll experience you both differently.  She's flipped to the other half of the quadrants, and she's projecting onto you her own disowned shame.   (which she says she is protecting you from at this time
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"I dont want you to suffer like I did" 
 

In the end, what I sort of did was recieve the good, but not be too convinced by it, stay at a once remove.   

Sorry, no time to read the whole thread, but I cant help wanting to pop in here + touch base sometimes. 

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2010, 01:05:50 PM »
Oh my gosh, NLAS, it's NOT YOUR FAULT.

How are you supposed to handle this transition to a brave new culture-busting identity perfectly, much less with the history of sexual abuse (by the man she's STAYED WITH, basically telling you he is of more value...) AND the generational pressure AND all the feelings being treated that way creates?

You're NOT.

You're NOT in charge of "making them happy". They have to learn to deal with their own emotions just as you do. You don't have to hate them but you also don't have to fix them.

Whether they manage their emotions successfully or not, it is their job to mature and grow (if they are motivated enough to do so). That's any human being's job.

You are on a path your mother cannot understand and I'm sorry, but the truth is, neither she nor your stepfather are CAPABLE of valuing and respecting you enough. Too much baggage in their heads. In your mother's case, all that talking and intruding and nagging and controlling and assessing and "marketing" you is NOT love, it's fear.

(She may and probably does love you, on some level. You don't have to reject the love. But she has unhealthy values and does not know how to operate outside them. The sober truth is, she will likely never be different. So your challenge is to find your own peace--with her, without her, with controlled low contact, with no contact--whatever evolves to be the right balance for YOU. So you can thrive, and live a dignified, satisfying life.)

The life question is: How do you continue to make choices, going forward, that are about YOU valuing you?

I think you are really beginning to see yourself in a more compassionate light. You are more thoughtful about the ingredients of this toxic soup. You are halfway out of the pot. You are thinking more independently. You are reacting less and analysing more.

I have great faith in you.

(And perhaps you might leave the idea open of a "real" support group. It'd be all in the wording...)

For example: Are you adapting to changing views of marriage? An invitation to a discussion group for Indian-American women.

If you find someone who's skilled at facilitating this kind of thing, or study up on some of the standard structures for these groups, I bet it could be a wonderful thing. Examples of the structures include things like:
--confidentiality
--no cross-talk (means no interrupting)
--no advice-giving unless specifically requested
--a method (like a timer or "talking stick") for sharing time equally (brilliant strategem that prevents voice-hogs)

Anyway, even if that doesn't happen, it's exciting to read about your growth.

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Re: When narcissists are nice (random vent)
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2010, 08:38:51 PM »
River-My old therapist told me that. These N's and borderlines say what they mean in the MOMENT.  You can never trust them though. 

Hopalong-Thanks for the encouraging words, but nothing good in life ever comes easy. I'm glad to hear that you can recognize that I'm growing, because it can b

Speaking of therapistst that understand N-ism, I'm having more hope that there are a number out there that do get it. My boss, the current therapist I have is actually my 3rd (he does EMDR), my co-workers..Once we are healing, it's easier to find people who understand.

When we're at our worst, we end up with these awful therapists that do more harm than good.