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Dr. Richard Grossman

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More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« on: February 12, 2011, 06:44:16 PM »
Hi everybody,

Evidence continues to mount on the positive brain effects of meditation.  Here's an article from the Boston Globe:

Brain gain
Mindfulness therapy puts the focus on improving the quality of body and spirit
By Deborah Kotz
Globe Staff / January 31, 2011


http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/articles/2011/01/31/mindfulness_therapy_puts_the_focus_on_improving_the_quality_of_body_and_spirit/

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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 08:09:51 PM »
Just the reminder I needed.
Post mortem is somewhat like another "new year" and meditation was at the top of my list before I allowed myself to get sucked into the vortex of hospital vigilantism.

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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 08:49:01 AM »
There are very real positive improvements from mindfulness meditation and the other mind-body-awareness training, like yoga and tai chi. I'll have to see if I can locate some links to articles on the tai chi side of things to share. These are scientific/medical studies that show results for arthritis, fibromyalgia, etc. And there is a new article to be published soon, where I've made a small contribution on the positive impacts on anxiety. I will have to say, that I've found that it takes some time to see results... and this isn't like a one-time fix, cure-all. It's more a lifestyle change and practice needs to be ongoing... to keep the effect going.

I learned mindfulness mediation maybe 15-20 years ago, in a silent retreat led by a couple of psychologists... that are probably associated one way or another with the folks mentioned in the article. At the time, it was still pretty new agey... not taken seriously... and I found myself to feel that way about it also. It was in this retreat that I gave up meditation - because the only "result" I got was one of continuously streaming tears. Of course, the leaders didn't have the time to help me figure out the source of this and I completely misread the reasons too - I thought of course, that this was a "wrong" result; that the crying was bad and I wasn't meditating correctly... and it was another 10 years or so before I found out the huge pool of grief I had, and why. Looking back, I kind of think that if I'd kept up with it I might have "broken through" a lot sooner.

There are so many mysteries about how our brains work. And these kinds of more "alternative" types of help actually do provide benefits - for whatever reason (I'm thinking placebo effect which is now being looked at as being a "real" effect). I had to laugh, when my T began showing me that I could finally use all that meditation training that I'd been through and discarded as useless, just a bit differently to finally heal. Sans medication, too, I might add.
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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 11:58:19 AM »
The school my children attend teaches centering and yoga to 3rd graders and below, and meditation and yoga to 4th above.

I wish the schools I attended had introduced me to it.

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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 12:05:05 PM »
"Two years earlier, the same researchers found that mindfulness training led to a decrease in gray matter in the brain’s amygdala, the area of the brain that perceives stress"

Wow! No need for that amygdaloctomy after all.

Very interesting article. It's odd the meanings we attach to words though. When I saw the word "meditation" in the title, I felt my old resistance to what I attach to that word, the 'type' of people who meditate and how I'm not 'one of them' etc. But I've learned the word 'mindfulness' only more recently and attach only positive meaning to it. Just one word and my approach to what I'm reading is hugely affected.

The description of eating rung true with me. I'll be eating something tasty (chocolate, smoked salmon, goat's cheese....not all together...though, wait...that could be good) and...how the brain wanders! Suddenly aware that I'm not aware of the tastes in my mouth and we're back in the tasting.
My view is rosier today. Thanks for that Dr G.

Amber: (I'm thinking placebo effect which is now being looked at as being a "real" effect) ref: Homeopathy clinic in London that gets good results possibly linked to the long time doctors spend with patients, the attention they give etc. vs. previous little attention and empathy in NHS treatment. 'Placebo' is the wrong word for the effect.

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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 01:33:07 AM »
The school my children attend teaches centering and yoga to 3rd graders and below, and meditation and yoga to 4th above.

I wish the schools I attended had introduced me to it.

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I think a person can start any time to meditate but the key is to consistently keep up with it as an on-going practice. It's not like some people are good at it and some people are not, it's more like doing laundry--you either do it or you don't. 

I use to meditate regularly many years ago and then stopped for quite a few years and now when I get in a meditation group it's like I'm a total beginner all over again.


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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 07:13:07 AM »
It's not easy for me to meditate.

I finally found a book called, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP, written by a guy named Brad Warner, which made it easier for me to understand what meditation really is.

He also wrote "HARDCORE ZEN:  Punk Rock, Monster Movies, and the Truth about Reality.
The former bassist for the hardcore punk band Zero Deffects, he is now a Zen priest, filmmaker,
and Japanese monster-movie marketer living in Los Angeles.  His website is http://hardcorezen.blogspot.com".

It is interesting: )


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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 09:17:38 AM »
MB's right...

meditation is like eating 5 servings of vegetables a day for your mental/emotional system... and it works best if it's a regular practice! (otherwise, you are starting over from beginner's mind again - which I found isn't always a bad thing; I missed a few things at least, the first go-round).

http://mindbodylab.bio.uci.edu/publications/Cultural%20Essay.pdf

Here's a good beginning point into the connection between mind & body research - mostly revolving around tai chi. It's not difficult to read or too long.
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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 09:46:55 AM »
One more, then that's enough...

this site lists all the various kinds of claims made for tai chi benefits, whether there have been western study validations, etc. It reminded me a very important point -

any person at all, can "teach" tai chi... but they may not have the proper training themselves, to teach it safely. It's important to look for a teacher who is associated with one of the 5 family traditions, that stretch back in history and are still evolving today. These teachers are rarer and have their own school - you won't usually find them (tho' it's possible) at a 5 week parks & rec session.

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8513/34968/358867.html?d=dmtContent
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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 02:19:35 PM »
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HARDCORE ZEN
enjoyable site! I like a bit of King's New Clothes and he does it well.

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Re: More evidence of the positive effects of meditation
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 03:20:15 PM »
Guest:  I haven't read Hardcore Zen, but I really enjoy his other book, Sit Down and Shut Up.

He pretty much explains things so that you can't miss his point.

::going to check out Hardcore Zen website::

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