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Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« on: October 29, 2011, 01:09:31 AM »
I don't know what land goes for these days, but back in 1946, when my little brother died, I was 7, and my father bought a block of 8 plots in a cemetery, one for him, my mother, and their 6 children. My baby brother was buried there in 1946 (just lived 6 months), my father in 1986 and my mother in 1994. Five plots are left and one is for me, by default, if you will, as no one has a “deed”, and 5 kids are left, yet!

(At that time) One sister told me she and her husband were looking for a burial spot and I asked her “Why not use the one that Dad paid for in ‘46?" She hadn't known and didn't take my word, so I emailed my brother about this, and then he emailed ALL other four of us that we each had a prepaid plot at this cemetery (in Ontario.)

OK my memory is screwed a bit here, as to what came first. Maybe because Mom's burial was delayed re frozen ground?

When my mother died, 1994, my brother thought that there was but ONE plot left and asked, of the rest of us, would we agree to allow him and his wife and family to use it.---well after my sister's search and my thinking about it, and 16 years later, sure there is the one/4, but another 4 next door and he didn't know. (Memory) I remember my mother telling me that Dad had bought 8 plots, and I might me the only one told, and I would have been 7-8 years old, but when my brother checked, I was right////////////OMG, for once I was RIGHT

Here it is many moons after, 2011, and I have no intention of going back to Ontario, dead or alive. I expect I can leave my plot to  my daughter. I have not priced plots, as I have always had one, but changed to…I am to be cremated and my ashes thrown to the wind off Knox Mountain, British Columbia!

All my papers are drawn up, but I feel that I can still leave (with prices these days, and I haven't checked) my legal plot to my daughter and 3 grandchildren and others who will be cremated and planted and never have to buy a plot!

I can call the Cemetery and arrange that (I think/am sure?) or leave a message after my death to haunt all those who want the space I will not occupy, and allow my daughter and her descendants until they overrun the graveyard!.

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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 09:18:37 AM »
Skits - could you just sell the plot back to the cemetary? I don't know your D at all, but if it were me, I'd feel like that kind of bequest was sending some sort of message... and it would probably bug me for a long time trying to figure out what it was. If you do, leave her the plot, at least leave an explanation in the will!  :)

I'm not a fan of being below ground either! Cemetaries take up too much otherwise useful/pretty land, to my way of thinking. Composting sounds good - but takes too long. Outer space, too wack. Now, fish food and Davy Jone's locker have it's attractions - but not everyone can end up there. And it'll take awhile for the sea to digest good old Osama - I don't need neighbors like that. I'm gonna let my kids decide where to spread me. Part of me is always gonna belong to them, anyway.
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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 02:23:27 PM »
thanks,
I already know the plots can be passed on, if I can trust my brother, being he wanted that so-called remaining one for his family, children included.

So my plot is for me (not used for me tho') and my children included.

I believe this, but cannot call the Cemetery until Monday to verify. Only my brother has dealt with them before.

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What I am doing is putting my affairs SO in order that my Executor does not have one flipping question about anything, where I am involved.................. when I fly off the mountain.

Maybe I am wondering how many people prepare in advance. My parents were only 37 years old when they lost their baby and had to deal with it ... but did it in one felled swoop, and tied us in. My sister now just turned 71, does not even have a Will and is still being tested for cancer...who is being more responsible she or me? My parents never looked ahead to see how geographically we would all be separated, and Dad, financially, really  needed to buy only 3 plots, not 8, but still the way we were treated there could have been another "death of a minor"........

----so when all is said and done, I die knowing I had my affairs all arranged. Whatever the others do is their business, but I cannot see my daughter w/3 childrem, her partner w/3 children, owning cemetery plots at the present time. When I hear proof of what I believe, that I can pass my plot on to my daughter (and her family), if plots are unaffordable these days, then I leave that as a note to her from my Exectutor for her .

If I don't, then it still belongs to the family as Dad bought the land. a plot for one coffin, 6' under can hold numerous Urns from a group, like my D +  = 8 people if all cremated but no one can judge now on her partner's little children.

Is location important? Maybe to some people. Is price important? Maybe to more than just some people.

What have any of you done, or how have things been arranged for you, whe the end comes?

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« Last Edit: October 29, 2011, 02:25:59 PM by Skits »
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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 09:15:35 AM »
Hi Skits! Hubs & I are in the process of sorting all this out now. Hope to sign final papers before the end of the year; maybe in Nov. I have a birthday in Nov and it's one of those "marker" birthdays -- my g'ma was that age when she died. Now, I don't have the same kinds of health issues she did... so I'm just not freaked about it, consciously. Unconsciously - well, I don't have as much control over that, now do I? But, I'm not aware of anything haunting me there either.

Inheriting on-going businesses that provide a very cushy income, my bro & I have been advised since day 1 that we absolutely NEED to formalize plans in the event of one of our deaths. The obvious reason is that for the sake of the business and those working there, provisions need to be made to "keep on keeping on" or for an orderly succession, wind-down, or even a sale. I got this and understood the need; however since we moved - and with MIL's health requirements and subsequent death last year - it took us awhile to have the time and head-space to get on with this. Bro isn't dealing with it at all; it's on his "to-do list", as he puts it. I suspect it's more than being busy for him, than simply having the time/head-space to deal with it; but that's his problem.

I've tried to talk to all the kids involved. Explain to them the scope of what the eventual legacy will be; what they need to think about. I've asked them individually, their opinions on some of the choices we have to make. What would they prefer? Unanimously, they've come back with the same blank stare, silence, and a confused "I don't know; I don't really care; whatever you want to do". I keep trying to educate them, too. It was a second full-time job for me, to get up to speed, try to understand what I was I making decisions on (much less the pros/cons of the options), and fully understand how my life had changed. In some ways, I'm still making that transition 3 years later. I'll probably end up calling a family meeting with my financial "minions" so that they can explain things to them all. Whether they know it or not - the girls will still be better prepared than I was.

What I'm working my way around to, Skits... is that no matter how well we organize/manage/plan ahead... to the kiddos it's still all some "future" that doesn't even seem possible - nor relevant - to their present moments. They are all busy living their lives, working out their old issues, trying to figure out how life "works", raising kids, trying to at least "break even" financially... because they all understand the value of "having done it for themselves". I won't be here when this all becomes theirs - to be angry or caring or happy or anything - about how this impacts their lives and what decisions they make. So if I have any "wisdom" or cautions to impart... I'm going to handle that separately, in writing, explaining myself as best I can... outside of the legal/financial crap. That's more important to me -- and I think to them, too. You know, if they choose to disregard it -- well, there's not a whole lot I could do about then, huh????

It was interesting (and enlightening) for hubs and I to work through the Health power of attorneys; our instructions to our doctors and the poor kids we chose to make our health decisions for us, in the event we were the surviving spouse. We had fresh experience of this situation, with hubs' mom and her "living will" wasn't overly specific. Some phrases were open to interpretation; we discussed the meaning of certain phrases; we consulted with the doctors; we remembered what she would/wouldn't like... and it was horribly painful for everyone involved. I removed myself because I didn't have a vote in the final decision... and only pointed out a few things that I knew for sure; things she'd told me. And I was having difficulty with the level of pain myself... trying to support everyone else, too.

Here was a healthy family, full of love, respectful of boundaries, happy... and survivors of Dads' death back when hubs was 17 (his sibs are much younger). This was as "good" as the situation of death of a loved one could be... and having witnessed this and the level of pain in the sibs... hubs and I decided to try to eliminate the guessing game of when to "pull the plug". Because we didn't want our kids to have to decide this way, over days & days of second-guessing themselves. But even with this - we simply have to trust our relationship with the kids, their judgement, how easily they're influenced (or not)...

It's sort of the ultimate letting go, Skits.
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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 08:36:48 PM »
Hi PR
I like to hear of people making their arrangements, while of sound mind, and hope they always have someone to trust, to be in charge.

I have had many wills along the way, always in my D's best interest, a suitable guardian. If this or that couple change their ways too far from mine, then I would update, and did so until she was 18. But estate values bring about changes too.

I have moved around a lot and friends and acquaintances have changed many times. I can do without my family, but have 2 friends back in Ontario, and I have Karla here. (On Friday, we had a grand old vent from her about her N in-laws...½ hr. therapy on me... 2 hrs therapy on her... lol.)

This accident changed my life, again and makes about the fourth installment of my existence. I'm close to a shut-in, as I am alone and don't gallavant for nothing, but am content, as I was never a mountain climber in the first place. No job, no responsibilties, except to myself, and to pay my bills.

Yes, I don't think the following generation have thought about when they get old. (I cant even picture myself at 80.) I sensed that when I first sent all my papers to my D, but that didn't faze her.

My living will is easy and understandable. After 2 car crashes and 42 years of disability, don't save me in the next car crash or 'equivalent' !

15 more years?

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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2011, 06:39:37 AM »
Hi Izzy....

errrr...

HAPPY HALLOWEEEN!

I guess it's just right to have this discussion first thing, eh?

I personally want to donate whatever's left of me to the closest medical facility when I've gone.

Usually 2 med students take charge, do their thing.

I'll be cremated, and a small service held.

I always knew I wouldn't be buried, but I 'm not sure I want to be scattered to the four winds either.

I guess I'll have some suggestions but the main thing is for my children to have some comfort in the ritual.

If they feel strongly about dumping me out over the Atlantic, or from a plane or whatever, then they'll have that.

The only thing they won't have is me layed out, on view, then wheeled and carried about before planting over a 2 day service where everyone's a basket case, and you get to see sides of people you never wanted to know.

For me, that particular service is very disturbing.











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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 08:25:53 AM »
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For me, that particular service is very disturbing.


Me too, Lighter. Even while I appreciate the cleansing, neutralizing aspects of "earth"... I guess for me, it still seems to carry overtones of imprisonment; being trapped; stuck in one spot. I'm still fighting hard to keep what "freedom" I've earned and feel is mine... ain't givin' it up even for my physical molecules just for what is a questionable "final resting place"!!!
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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 11:58:30 AM »
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Hi Izzy....

errrr...

HAPPY HALLOWEEEN!

Yo Margo

errrr...

HAPPY HALLOWEEEN! to you too!!

I have to agree on no wheeling and dheeling when I don't know about it, and I don't mind being alone when alive, but I don't want to be alone when I am dead. (I always, since a little kid held a picture in my mind, a cutaway of me underground, alone, eyes open and nothing to do.) So I chose cremation!

Nice that you agree too, PR

and as far as my plot goes, if no one uses it, it might, one day, be the only patch of green grass on this earth.

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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 02:20:28 PM »
we ended up with a couple plots that we didn't know we had in a place we had no intention of going.  When we got the "deed" to the spots, it was clear that we were not "allowed" to re-sell the spots and that the cemetery would be happy to buy them back, at the price they were purchased in 1961 of $125.00 each.  We can, however, give them away, which is what we did.  I like the idea of being scattered to the winds and would be miserable underground. 


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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2011, 12:37:37 PM »
Thanks BD

Yep! That fits with my position and I will leave my plot for my daughter/grandchildren.

and Hops

Thank for the links but I have all that done, and my lawyer was impressed with all the info I had ready for her.

My Executor has the same and more, and now we are going to sit down one day and work on some suitable material in a farewell note w/cheque to each of my beneficiaries, suitable for now, 10 years from now and 20 years from now.....of course that depends on how these years go with daughter and grandchildren......and will I be even more mellow with age, or speechless!

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Re: Funeral Plot (gruesome? maybe, but) a question:
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 02:21:36 PM »
Excellent, Skits...

I'm not surprised you're totally responsible and organized about this.

Hope it rubs off on me!

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