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"Passages": Yom Kippur 2011
teartracks:
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Dr. Richard Grossman:
Thanks, Hops. I'll give it a try when I need it next! I hope it helps you too, given what's going on with your daughter...
Richard
Guest:
To me, only people "create an obligation to stick around".
(I'm not interested in writing a great book, or launching a new tech gadget, or being 'recognised' for my 'contribution' - I say these things because I've known people who actually didn't care too much about other people, and those things were way more important to them.)
I suppose when you get past that particular obligation - no: actually there is no obligation to stick around at all. It's a choice, just like a lot of things, if we're lucky enough to have that choice and not have it made for us.
Dr. Richard Grossman:
--- Quote ---One of the things I am processing is the similarity in our family histories. Your maternal ancestor committed suicide. My maternal great-great-grandfather also committed suicide even though, back in 1873, the official ruling would never openly state that it was a suicide. (The newspaper report of the inquest ruled it an "accident" even though the witnesses described the incident differently...he deliberately put himself in harm's way.) It also helped me to understand that alcoholism could be traced back through several generations along with other issues that were kept "hush-hush" for years. It only proved to me the saying: "Sick as your secrets"......
Bones
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Hi Bones,
When you see a traceable genetic line, it is quite powerful. It has been very important to me not to keep it secret from my daughter. As I mentioned in my edited piece (I actually give the talk on Friday evening), the talks I have had with her about genetics and how similar/different our experiences of the world have been are very important to both of us. With my patients as well, I try to counter the negative passage of genetics (and, of course, prior experience) with the positive passage of feelings, love, and attachment, although for some people this is not enough.
Richard
mudpuppy:
--- Quote ---A friend of mind gave me an image once to try:
Imagine that you are surrounded by a thicket of roses, in the most beautiful color you can imagine.
All the blossoms, thick and fragrant, are turned toward you. Softness and beauty surround you completely.
The thorns are on the outside, protecting you.
(You can safely reach out. No harm can reach in.)
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What if somebody has a sprayer full of Roundup?
Or some garden shears?
Not to mention the bees.
And if you have to go to the bathroom how do you get back in?
mud
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