Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board
Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: bludie on March 16, 2005, 08:11:16 PM
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=587698&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
No intention of turning this into a death penalty debate but since we've referred to Scott Peterson as an archetypal narcissist to the enth degree, thought you might find this interesting.
I am usually not a proponent of capital punishment but in this case it's hard not to feel that justice has been served.
Best,
bludie
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Justice was served.
He'll probably never actually be executed anyway.
I would not have made it onto his jury since I'm not sure that I could hand down the death penalty to anyone. I feel he deserves it but I don't think I could live with the fact that I made that judgement. I will leave that up to God.
Mia
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I have no trouble with death sentencing....anyone who has the guts to take someone else's life better be prepared to give his one up. An eye for an eye. Sorry, but if we did this more often, we wouldnt' be paying $1000 of dollars for stupid trials when we know peoople are totally guilty!
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The death penalty has always been a thorny issue for me.
I can't get over the fact that the people who have been murdered, often after horrendous suffering, often in horrible terror and pain, were never given any chance to escape, any chance to plea bargain or obtain a reduced sentence. No mercy. No appeal. Little babies. Children and young women seized by horrendous predators. Mothers out jogging. Pregnant women and their unborn children. Judges, deputies, court stenographers, Customs agents. Women out hiking. Dads on their way to soccer practice with their kids.
Their crime? being in the wrong place at the wrong time when a monster passed by. Or, even worse, loving and marrying a monster in disguise... or being the innocent child of same. [We've all experienced one of these, to some extent, eh?]
I have known people who were murdered. To remember meeting them, and then learn that these same laughing, loving human beings have been slaughtered - snuffed out - is almost too much to grasp and live.
That being said, I also oppose the sloppy, trumped up state sponsored killing of innocent people whose crime was... being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and having lousy lawyers. So I guess I'm a 'for', but only with ironclad proof... DNA evidence, absolute certainty that the evidence hasn't been rigged so that someone at DOJ gets another conviction for their resume.
I definitely don't think the death penalty is a deterrent. And I know it doesn't do anything at all to bring the victim back, or erase one instant of the pain and fear they & their family have suffered. But when you truly have captured a monster, and you know for certain that is what they are, then I think it's the only way to be absolutely sure that they will never, ever, ever, ever do it again. And that - IMO - is the only reason to do it.
Complicated and emotional enough? Sorry....
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When they put the needle in his arm (some distant day in the future) I wonder if then he will finally be able to forgive Laci and Connor for ruining his life. :evil:
mudpup
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When they put the needle in his arm (some distant day in the future) I wonder if then he will finally be able to forgive Laci and Connor for ruining his life
Amen, Mudpup. The problem is that he's in California and they never seem to get around to dispensing with their murderers. We can only hope in his case they make an exception.
Brigid
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I was very satisfied when he was convicted. He's going to San Quentin and it's not the life he envisioned. Good riddance...
bunny
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Justice or mercy, I don’t know. I usually say justice. But in that case I think we (humans) are pretty much a plague on this planet and as such justice should see us die out before we ruin the place for everyone else.
‘Death’ and ‘penalty’ don’t go together. It might be good to learn from mistakes: death doesn’t appear to allow for any learning.
Is ‘life’ itself special? Probably not, I don’t know.
I wonder if people with NPD and other mental disorders make good soldiers? That might solve a few problems, all round.
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I wonder if people with NPD and other mental disorders make good soldiers? That might solve a few problems, all round.
Sadly, I don't think so. Can you imagine an N taking orders? It would solve a few problems though. Personally I don't agree with the death penalty, for several reasons. They have executed people that have later been proved innocent. I believe as a society we must strive to be "better" than those we are punishing, not stoop to their level kind of thing. And finally, I think by dying they get off too easily (remember I'm not religious so don't believe in hell). In my opinion it is more of a punishment to suffer in prison for the rest of your life (but then it really has to be for the rest of your life, like Rosemary West in the U.K.), than to simply be snuffed out. Just my opinion though.[/quote]
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Hello All:
Scotty doesn' need to be put to death (besides it will probably take about 20 years before he gets the needle and also there is the 9th District Court to contend with) he needs to reside in San Quentin in that little cell like a rat, with a really big, tattoed guy who smiles at him a lot. His is a classic example of how a mother raised her son to think "the golden boy" was untouchable by anyone. Jackie's behavior in the courtroom yesterday was deplorable. It just showed what an N she is. She flew into a rant whenever Mrs. Roche got up there and started confronting Scott, then she stormed out of the courtroom because her "darling" finally had to face the music. She and her husband was not even THERE for the sentencing. She is truly a Narc to the nth degree. Patz
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Patz
I don't have any sympathy for him or his family. My X N said some of the same things that Scott said about his wife and child when he left our marrige.
I'm glad that Lacey's family was able to get off their chests everything they have been feeling but unfortunately it was falling on deaf ears. He is a monster.
On a lighter note, my H will tease me about my wishy washy stand on the death penalty. He tells me that I'm not a true conservative. One time he joked, Liberals will kill you before you are born but Conservatives are willing to wait.
I know one thing though, I won't be losing any sleep if Peterson is ever put to death.
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Liberals will kill you before you are born but Conservatives are willing to wait.
Oh Mia, that's really dark humor. I almost choked on my coffee. Thank you, weird as it sounds.
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I almost choked on my coffee
Ooops! I didn't mean for that to happen. Glad you got a kick out of it though. :)
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Mia,
Liberals will kill you before you are born but Conservatives are willing to wait.
I love that I'll be sure to plant that in my memory bank (if its still there).
Brigid
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I do not know the details of this case because I don't watch the news, but I am not comfortable with people taking pleasure in the prospect of a man dying, however monstrous he may be.
Just thought I would mention it. Now I will go away and not look at this thread again. :oops: :oops: :oops:
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I don't think anyone is taking pleasure in someone dying. They are venting their feelings about the crime and justice for the victims. Since you aren't familiar with the case, you might not understand that people have very strong feelings about this particular crime.
bunny
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(((October))) - bless your kind heart.
Quick synopsis: this man courted a woman, married her, impregnated her, then murdered her and their unborn child because he didn't want to be burdened with the responsibility for them.
He was having an affair, with a masseuse he picked up in a bar, at the time of the murders. He ditched the bodies of his wife and unborn son in the ocean on Christmas Eve. He probably murdered them earlier that day. They washed ashore separately, some time afterwards, in very poor condition, and their mute, pathetic testimony ultimately led to his conviction. He had been posing as a bereaved husband and pleading for information on their whereabouts.
We're not rejoicing at the prospect of his death. We're relieved that he won't have an opportunity to do this to anyone again. And for many of us, there's a sense that we - and/or our children - might have been in the same situation as this man's poor wife and son, if our Ns were just a little bit less inhibited than they are.
This is one time when context really matters. This really was a heinous crime. [Please, anyone, if I've messed up any details, correct me.]
Bless your kind intentions, October.
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I want to say he deserves to die for what he did but I know it's not up to me to decide that. Anyway...a jury has already decided.
If it were my family member and her baby who had been murdered what would I want?
Ok...so if I say that I'd probably want that crumb to die...then my complaint is that he has been found guilty and sentenced so let's get it done then.
Forget all this appealling and 20 years of me waiting and remembering and waiting and remembering and going to appeals and having to wait and wait and wait and wait and hope he doesn't get off and waiting for them to finally, finally, finally do what was decided 20 years ago.......
It seems to me...I would feel like I was being punished after all that.
Therefore, even if it were my family....I might say.....lock the poor sucker up and don't let him out.....ever. In a cell, by himself with no contact with anyone. With no priveledges and no pleasantries. Give him what he needs to survive and remain in his present state and that's all. Show him no cruelty (because that makes us like him).
And As Mudpuppy pointed out:
God will reward him for his works or as I have been noted to point out:
We will all meet our maker.
GFN
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We will all meet our maker.
GFN is definitely back.
Good to hear from you. :D
mudpuppy
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Thanks Mudpuppy!
I'm glad you're here. :D
Hope you're feeling less laringitic!!
GFN